Changing from 4 lugs to 5 lugs

[Kelpie]

Hi all,

 

Would by changing the default wheel from 4 lugs to 5 lugs using spacer, affect the way the car is being driven (eg, alignment, balancing an etc)?

 

Please advise me and Thank you very much.

 

Regards,

[Cdior]

For Wat?

Pointless.

 

[Kelpie]

Difficult to find ideal 4 x 108 PCD Rim.

 

By using spacer, wide variety of choices.

 

Regards,

[Happily1986]

usually i hear of people getting spacers to clear big brake kits. abit lame to use spacers so as to fit other kinds of rim.

[Walkingtree]

Hi all,

 

Would by changing the default wheel from 4 lugs to 5 lugs using spacer, affect the way the car is being driven (eg, alignment, balancing an etc)?

 

Please advise me and Thank you very much.

 

Regards,

The kind of spacer you talking about should be those 4-in, 5-out type right? Anyway, alignment is a combination of many factors lah. To my knowledge should not mess up your toe angle (commonly when people say alignment, they refer to toe angle) or wheel balancing. But will cause additional stress to your suspension, resulting in them wearing out faster. Getting an aftermarket suspension with adjustable top hat may help. May need to check your wheel camber angle too if using spacer. If its just for you to fit a 5 lug wheel, go for the thinner 4-in, 5-out you can find lor. I think have those 20-25mm type.

 

Please take note that I am not making any assessment on safety hor. I am just answering your query instead of brushing u off. U are effectively replacing your original studs with after-market studs. So the material used is critical as the load stress is very high. Basically the weight of your car is acting on those studs. So if you really want to do it, don't stinge. If can don't do better don't do. My personal opinion. Ugly rims is not life and death, but wheel fall off is.

Edited April 9, 2012 by Walkingtree

[Kelpie]

Hi there,

 

Thank you very much for the informative input and advice.

 

I read from an articule that the lugs are there to fasten the wheel to the hub and does nothing to support the weight of the car.

 

Will check around more before taking the next steps.

 

Regards,

 

[ER-3682]

Extra weight..affect handling.

[Lattesurf]

4 to 5 lug, or 5 to 4 lug spacers, are very expensive to machine.

U may not be able to find any local machine shops to do it, likely need to import from overseas.

 

I was in the same situation sometime back. Bought a set of 5x120 E90 rims, wanted to fit them on my 4-lug E30.

End up sold the rims, cos it was too expensive to do it. Such spacers cost about $600-700 overseas.

 

Another alternative is to fill & drill your hubs & rotors to the new 5 lug PCD.

But again, labour intensive, will cost even more. Plus u will also have problems locating replacement rotors in future due to the non-conventional PCD.

 

FYI, I'm currently using 20mm spacers on another Fiat for about 2 years. So far so good and handling improved.

Edited April 10, 2012 by Lattesurf

[Kelpie]

4 to 5 lug, or 5 to 4 lug spacers, are very expensive to machine.

U may not be able to find any local machine shops to do it, likely need to import from overseas.

 

I was in the same situation sometime back. Bought a set of 5x120 E90 rims, wanted to fit them on my 4-lug E30.

End up sold the rims, cos it was too expensive to do it. Such spacers cost about $600-700 overseas.

 

Another alternative is to fill & drill your hubs & rotors to the new 5 lug PCD.

But again, labour intensive, will cost even more. Plus u will also have problems locating replacement rotors in future due to the non-conventional PCD.

 

FYI, I'm currently using 20mm spacers on another Fiat for about 2 years. So far so good and handling improved.

 

 

Doing spacer is pretty cheap in Malaysia. Usually market price is about RM200 for each hub. Consider a very commonly done mod over here.

 

Regards,

[Happily1986]

Hi there,

 

Thank you very much for the informative input and advice.

 

I read from an articule that the lugs are there to fasten the wheel to the hub and does nothing to support the weight of the car.

 

Will check around more before taking the next steps.

 

Regards,

 

the greater issue here is not about the safety factor surrounding the usage of 5 vs 4 lug nuts. it is the fact that you are using spacers to push the rim physically farther outwards on the wheel axle. the contact area/point is reduced so the question is whether you are able to set this whole new arrangement satisfactorily such that safety wise, you can mitigate the associated risks.

 

if you ask me, this is a modification involving a very critical element of the automobile and i will leave it alone as it is.

[Beregond]

u draw a circle and draw 4 hole ( your orginal )

 

then try to position in 5 new holes, then u will know its very hard to space evenly the 5 new holes.

 

1 side will have extremely thin wall, and it very unbalance. it can be make. but i feel alumimun is properly not strong enough.

 

the material might have to use stainless steel which cost much more, and much more harder to machine.

[Lattesurf]

u draw a circle and draw 4 hole ( your orginal )

 

then try to position in 5 new holes, then u will know its very hard to space evenly the 5 new holes.

 

1 side will have extremely thin wall, and it very unbalance. it can be make. but i feel alumimun is properly not strong enough.

 

the material might have to use stainless steel which cost much more, and much more harder to machine.

 

Precisely, I was faced with this issue of trying to fit 4 lugs in, and 5 lugs out on the spacer.

 

Managed to find a custom shop in UK, which does such a special spacer with additional fittings.

Doesn't look secure or safe, plus it costs almost $700 for 4 pieces after conversion and shipping.

 

This in comparison to about $300-350 for 4 pieces of standard 4 in 4 out, or 5 in 5 out lug hubcentric spacers in SG workshops.

[Vhtfhwlego]

errr....

mostly 4 holes I see is for modern BB cars....

y spend so much on bb cars which give so much problem next time?

 

rims design, dont have, dont buy lor..

or next time buy rim then go showroom buy car...

 

 

[Beregond]

Precisely, I was faced with this issue of trying to fit 4 lugs in, and 5 lugs out on the spacer.

 

Managed to find a custom shop in UK, which does such a special spacer with additional fittings.

Doesn't look secure or safe, plus it costs almost $700 for 4 pieces after conversion and shipping.

 

This in comparison to about $300-350 for 4 pieces of standard 4 in 4 out, or 5 in 5 out lug hubcentric spacers in SG workshops.

 

there are a few place that can do for u in sg. 1 popular machine shop in amk i think. i for get the name. its call chang jiang ji sie chang.

 

or chang jiang machine shop i think. the number is 62526437 . they speclize in making pcd spacer for rims shop.

 

but 1 issue is i think they dun do the measurement for u , u have to go to your trusted rim shop to get the measurement done. which most shop i go dun like to entertain me.

 

i got make more simple centre bore ring in machine shop in west side before, but much more expensive.

[Pocus]

people using 4lug to 4lug spacer already complain on issues with vibrations during braking, uneven tire wear, worned nut, juttering or helicopter sound, premature worn bearings, etc.....

 

I cannot imagine a 4lug to 5lug spacer.....JUst be prepared aside a lump sum of money to fix the problem that will arise later...

Edited April 10, 2012 by Pocus

[Lattesurf]

there are a few place that can do for u in sg. 1 popular machine shop in amk i think. i for get the name. its call chang jiang ji sie chang.

 

or chang jiang machine shop i think. the number is 62526437 . they speclize in making pcd spacer for rims shop.

 

but 1 issue is i think they dun do the measurement for u , u have to go to your trusted rim shop to get the measurement done. which most shop i go dun like to entertain me.

 

i got make more simple centre bore ring in machine shop in west side before, but much more expensive.

 

Found something like Cheong Onn Engineering with that number, seems like a good lead.

 

But how much cheaper would it be?

 

The last I enquired with my tyre shop, he is charging $80-85/piece, and it includes the bolts & nuts as well.

 

I know the measurements, centrebore, PCD, but unless it's much cheaper overall, else no point to do all the work.

[Hamburger]

why change somethings which is not meant to be......drop it,i say

[Furrynadz]

4x108 so many choice oz/bbs

adding spacer will kill your c5 hydropneumatics very fast and entire system will not function at properly once you fit spacer

 

Edited April 11, 2012 by Furrynadz