ALL consolidated SMRT/NEL/KT.. simisai BREAKDOWNS here!

[Watwheels]

so this action is inherently risky and thank God nothing has happened so far.  

 

 maintainence crew have been in and out of it for so many years w/o mishap    -->      you try telling these to the deceaseds' parents 

 

this is a forum for people to discuss. period. 

 

This clearly reflects what kinda person you are. Period.

 

I wouldn't suggest someone to tell the aggrieved parent anything. I would rather give them peace and leave them alone.

 

What I was trying to say is not to cause unneccessary alarm as it is not helping anyone. Your comments speak for itself.

Edited March 24, 2016 by Watwheels

[Joseph22]

That would be the wrong priority for customer complains to supersede safety.

 

Afterall, just implement a safer protocol doesn't cost much time.

It may be a frustration, but it save your life.

 

I'm sure there are more "loopholes" to be found.

 

It's whether they want to do it or not.

Or wait till the next deaths or serious injuries to occur.

Yes wrong priorirty because SMRT had been politize. The moment a small delay only you see people like GMS and GG come out and shoot.

They will come clean one.. don't worry... and the management will always say the bottom didn't follow SOP ...

Management always no fault one, cos they won't have any chance to follow the SOP as they always sit inside office ...

Each level have their own set of SOP.

Most of the time ground level staff don't understand why the SOP is build in a certain way hence always bleached it happen in every company.

[Kusje]

 

How did the accident happen?

SMRT's findings showed that the team was moving in a single file on the walkway beside the track, towards the servicing point.

A supervisor was at the head of the line and the two deceased were directly behind him.

The rest of the team was following behind.

The team was walking in the opposite direction of the oncoming train that was heading towards Pasir Ris station.

It is not known how the two men got on the track or got close enough to the train.

- See more at: http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapore/it-not-known-how-men-got-track#sthash.QH8Qe6By.dpuf

 

Is this logical at all?

 

The other 13 people around were looking at the scenery instead?

[Jman888]

Is this logical at all?

 

The other 13 people around were looking at the scenery instead?

 

 

i believe that statement was made before the full investigation. 

[Joseph22]

So it's a problem with supervision and execution ?

Depend actually. Most of the time is individual. But the implication is larger if it's a supervisory or management person who bleach.

 

Like for this instance, be it the Supervisor or the station controller that bleach, the impact is the people below who suffer.

Is this logical at all?

 

The other 13 people around were looking at the scenery instead?

Maybe too fast to issue press release and investigation wasn't complete. Edited March 24, 2016 by Joseph22

[Nzy]

Most of the time ground level staff don't understand why the SOP is build in a certain way hence always bleached it happen in every company.

 

Yep. This one happens every where. Even in NS also. Alot of people don't understand the reason for the SOP and feel it is a waste of time. Many like to take shortcuts and if nothing happens, they think that they have just saved some time/effort. They only realise why the SOP is so important when something happens. Then if supervisor very strict on the SOP, some people not happy, think that the supervisor is picking on them. Supervisor close one eye, something happen, then supervisor's fault.

[Joseph22]

Yep. This one happens every where. Even in NS also. Alot of people don't understand the reason for the SOP and feel it is a waste of time. Many like to take shortcuts and if nothing happens, they think that they have just saved some time/effort. They only realise why the SOP is so important when something happens. Then if supervisor very strict on the SOP, some people not happy, think that the supervisor is picking on them. Supervisor close one eye, something happen, then supervisor's fault.

That's why when sometime a peers got promoted. Sometime we say he change ever since he become management. But the truth is, he didn't change. It's just that suddenly he was given a bigger view due to his higher post result in him having greater understanding on why certain things are done in a certain way.

[Lala81]

That's why when sometime a peers got promoted. Sometime we say he change ever since he become management. But the truth is, he didn't change. It's just that suddenly he was given a bigger view due to his higher post result in him having greater understanding on why certain things are done in a certain way.

 

That's true. 

So the supervisory or management person has no responsibility for lack of execution or supervision, unless they themselves bleach ?

 

If the supervisor or management person never constantly remind or rectify breaches happening under him, he's also culpable. But of course it's harder to prove this as it's consider part of his routine.

That's why in SAF, there's the designated safety officer who's only task is to maintain safety.

[Dleodleo]

I dunno why the trains are also not signalled when there are already people walking on the maintenance pathway. Seems like logical step would have been to alert the trains once anyone is on the tracks/path

 

Pasir ris is an end station, so the train can enter in at either A/B side. Maybe that played a role? The team thought the train was going one way, but actually it came towards them?

 

Ya... Maybe.

 

Cos witness mentioned that she heard shouts and waving at the train as if asking it to stop like that.  And another witness mentioned that he heard someone shouted Oi Oi Oi

 

But the truth will be out, they cannot hide cos one of the deceased's father and brother are working at the SMRT too. 

 

 

[Joseph22]

So the supervisory or management person has no responsibility for lack of execution or supervision, unless they themselves bleach ?

It really depend. Like what Lala mention, if he know of breach and yet didn't bother to rectify. There are cases which bleach happen but no one know about the breach. We all are working adult, we are well aware that we can breach some policy without anyone notice. Edited March 24, 2016 by Joseph22

[Vratenza]

It really depend. Like what Lala mention, if he know of bleach and yet didn't bother to rectify. There are cases which bleach happen but no one know about the bleach. We all are working adult, we are well aware that we can bleach some policy without anyone notice.

 

SAF motto? Can do anything, just don't get caught?

 

side note: no bleach, dishwashing detergent also can

[Joseph22]

SAF motto? Can do anything, just don't get caught?

 

side note: no bleach, dishwashing detergent also can

Yeah. You got it.

 

Alamak didn't change fast enough kenna found out. Lol.

[Duckduck]

 

track inspection, saw style

 

[Goldbug]

despite Saw the civilian's gross incompetence, no staff ever died under her watch, after general Desmond brought his SAF culture into MRT, 2 men died under his watch

[13177]

despite Saw the civilian's gross incompetence, no staff ever died under her watch, after general Desmond brought his SAF culture into MRT, 2 men died under his watch

It is the first time SMRT has such a serious incidence?

[RadX]

It is the first time SMRT has such a serious incidence?

 

 

yes!  no deaths SInce operation in 1987

[Goldbug]

yes!  no deaths SInce operation in 1987

 

see, run by civilian boh taiji

[Jman888]

yes!  no deaths SInce operation in 1987

 

 

*remark: no death of smrt personnel but many jumper