Calford 2nd Gear February 20, 2012 Share February 20, 2012 Well geely cars are getting better in terms of safety. They score 4 star in EURO ECAP recently from previous 0 star. Ec7 vs CK ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calford 2nd Gear February 20, 2012 Share February 20, 2012 Well geely cars are getting better in terms of safety. They score 4 star in EURO ECAP recently from previous 0 star. Ec7 vs CK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calford 2nd Gear February 20, 2012 Share February 20, 2012 Those MIC sold in spore are all the old models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARTer 2nd Gear February 20, 2012 Author Share February 20, 2012 Japs and Koreans take great pride and dedication to their work. They are perfectionists, right down to technical detail, design etc. This is in their national culture and culture of their people. Chinese culture: if can take short cut, will take. Anyhow do also can, dun get caught aysai liao. Serve and fark off, it is only a job. You die your business. Can bluff, will bluff. It is their attitude to work that sets them apart. China man dun care about pride, quality, perfectionism. They just want to sell more volume at low cost. Spot on.... in fact they dont care about anything else as long as they make money... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARTer 2nd Gear February 20, 2012 Author Share February 20, 2012 Well geely cars are getting better in terms of safety. They score 4 star in EURO ECAP recently from previous 0 star. Ec7 vs CK i think china car makers have no lack of talent and know-how to make proper / safe cars, but the bosses have other ideas even the designers/engineers come up with good processes and designs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiadaw 6th Gear February 20, 2012 Share February 20, 2012 (edited) Boh Liao. Those ang mo will condemn all non ang mon made car more so if its belong to china anyway. Don't anyhow stereotype leh. Clarkson for instance, isn't even a close representation of British people. In fact he is quite the opposite, loud mouthed & arrogant. And why Toyota & Lexus sell so well in America? Europeans typically do not buy Japanese or Korean cars as the styling was in general dull & handling non inspirating, & not really attractively priced. But most agreed that Japanese cars have good reliability. But on many magazines these day,s you can see Koreans car put in comparison tests with establish cars & score good points, even top the comparison. In fact its easier to find a new Korea car than Japanese car in Germany now. The Korean cars are doing quite well in Europe at the moment. When you make good cars, people will buy. Edited February 20, 2012 by Kiadaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinturbo Neutral Newbie February 20, 2012 Share February 20, 2012 I remember a friend showing me a video on YouTube on one any mo condemning gtr even though everything is good. The only reason he gave is GTR got no soul. Then it is If not fast, can tune faster. If not comfortable, improve suspension. If not luxurious, maybe add leather. No soul... What can they do to improve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendstar Supercharged February 20, 2012 Share February 20, 2012 Kill someone inside a GTR. Then u will have a soul lingering inside 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpcc Clutched February 21, 2012 Share February 21, 2012 Food for thought in wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_in...public_of_China Just some newbie thoughts. what are the necessary ingredients to make a good b&b car? Chassis? Engine? ECU? Suspension / comfort? Interior? Europe goes turbo , while japanese goes hybrid. Where will be the future in 5-10years time? With emphasis on green tech, will EV/ hybrid be new level playing field for engine manufacturer? What are the most expensive part (be it raw material, test, design, ...) to making a 1.6 B&B car? The above wiki has the following note: "The Wall Street Journal reported that the government of China will be forcing foreign carmakers to disclose their electric vehicle technology secrets before the vehicles are allowed to be sold in China. The current Chinese automotive policy states that a foreign carmaker must form a joint-venture with a Chinese carmaker if the former plans to sell its electric vehicles there, with the latter holding 51% stakes while the former is only allowed to hold 49% stakes. Due to the threat by the Chinese government, Toyota postponed the launch of the current-generation Prius until they have been confirmed about the plan." Does vertical integration help for auto industry in PRC land, since the manufacturing is powerful, and will be more so in the next 5-10 years. Government is rich enough to fund some local companies, if they want to build the local auto industry. There are How did Korean car makers build up their car industries? via merger, reverse engineering? employ foreign designers (ex audi for Kia)? Can PRC replicate? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brilliant_Trading Neutral Newbie August 12, 2019 Share August 12, 2019 Watched a repeat of TopGear (episod in china) and the 3 men condemned whatever cars made in china. I think today, china's cars are not really up to international standard yet in terms of safety, performance, etc but since these B&B cars are for their domestic markets where the majority of buyers dont really know anything better, china car makers will continue to churn out millions of mediocre cars yet still find buyers queue up, end of the days making tons of money. Is there a incentive for them to make better cars, to match the quality/performance etc of say VW etc, let alone the highend conti/jap/korean cars? Those china buyers who have the taste / money for better cars, in typical chinese 'culture', will buy imported cars, coz no china car makers have the prestige / history / brandnames to attract buyers who want not only good cars, but also 'face'/status only brands like Merc/BWM (RR also) etc could provide. Patrioism is more or less non existent when it comes to the rich, except state owned companies buying mic highend cars for their bosses? Bottomline, will it be almost unforeseable china made cars will ever match the quality / status of highend foreign-made cars? not in the next 10/20 years? The expanding domestic B&B car markets are big enough to occupy them for a long time, export is hardly something they have time to think about. I thinks China car will up the international standard some day , however , it all depends on manufactuers , quality is the best way to support one brand , if they do want to set up a good reputation in automotive industry . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamaralim 1st Gear June 2, 2020 Share June 2, 2020 china cars are not bad actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinceng Turbocharged September 27, 2020 Share September 27, 2020 Geely should bring in the Xing Yue, so buyers can replace the Geely logo with BMW logo and pass it on as the BMW X6. Can you differentiate between the the Geely and BMW? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungyee77 5th Gear September 27, 2020 Share September 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Vinceng said: Geely should bring in the Xing Yue, so buyers can replace the Geely logo with BMW logo and pass it on as the BMW X6. Can you differentiate between the the Geely and BMW? I'm not a big fan of the SUV coupe shape but Merc GLE Coupe looks incredibly similar as well. As with Renault Arkana... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0y0ta Supercharged September 28, 2020 Share September 28, 2020 It's not a question of can or not. It is just about WHEN the China designed/built cars will become mainstream in quality and acceptance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fungyee77 5th Gear September 28, 2020 Share September 28, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, t0y0ta said: It's not a question of can or not. It is just about WHEN the China designed/built cars will become mainstream in quality and acceptance. Agree. Frankly, I have been very impressed with the new Geely and MGs, which I've seen in person. Purely from an engineering/capabilities perspective, they are manufacturing the largest number of cars in the world, for the largest brands in the world via their local JVs, and paying above market for the top automotive talents in Europe. Quality is arguably there or almost there. But perception and acceptance clearly is not. To me, it feels a little like 2012 in the handphone world. That said, while an early adopter may be willing to pay $1k to try a Huawei/OnePlus phone, but will be a harder decision to shell out $100k to try a Chinese car ! Edited September 28, 2020 by fungyee77 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinceng Turbocharged September 28, 2020 Share September 28, 2020 On 2/21/2012 at 12:51 AM, Calford said: On 2/21/2012 at 12:51 AM, Calford said: Those MIC sold in spore are all the old models. Going down memory lane - gone are the days of China made cars and $2 COE Geely CK with that familiar engine block sourced from the 7th generation Corollahttps://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=786626 Geely MK - more refined than the CK. 4 year old example at only $222 monthly installmenthttps://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=206193 Hafei Lobo with rear manual window https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=695407 Hafei Minz - 1.3L 7 seater; makes the Suzuki APV feel and look so luxurioushttps://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=879481 Naza Sutera (Hafei's twin) https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=454593 Chana Benni with Suzuki engine - first time seeing a PARF car selling at $3,999 in S'pore https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=736314 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calford 2nd Gear October 3, 2020 Share October 3, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 9:27 AM, Vinceng said: Going down memory lane - gone are the days of China made cars and $2 COE Geely CK with that familiar engine block sourced from the 7th generation Corollahttps://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=786626 Geely MK - more refined than the CK. 4 year old example at only $222 monthly installmenthttps://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=206193 Hafei Lobo with rear manual window https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=695407 Hafei Minz - 1.3L 7 seater; makes the Suzuki APV feel and look so luxurioushttps://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=879481 Naza Sutera (Hafei's twin) https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=454593 Chana Benni with Suzuki engine - first time seeing a PARF car selling at $3,999 in S'pore https://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=736314 Those were the olden days. The cars from China is getting so good!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidklt 6th Gear October 3, 2020 Share October 3, 2020 Saw some new cars on the net. Some of the car designs are better than the Japanese cars. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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