NBA Jeremy Lin

[Acemundo]

  On 2/12/2012 at 4:13 AM, Jman888 said:

too soon to tell (thinl he only played a few games) but he already create a storm in NBA, 3 point shooter and also good personal skill

americans quite discrminating. read he was playing very well at palo alto (think high school level) but was not picked up early to be groomed.

 

even when he was drafted into nba, golden state and houston didn't give him much chance to play.

 

even for new york, he only get this chance to play because new york had very long list of injured players.

 

yahoo asked if jeremy is next yao ming.

 

i say rubbish, he's way ahead of yao ming.

 

yao ming had only height advantage but was very slow and clumsy. he didn't made that much impact in nba and was always injured.

 

this guy can dribble had the agility and moves and yet had a decent height. very rare for chinese genes to have such height and yet be so nimble and skillful.

 

 

[Scion]

love the fairytale of Jeremy Lin

 

surely inspires many dreams of kids in US and worldwide

 

just months ago, no NBA teams wanted him and he even received low non-guaranteed contracts from NY

 

but still too early to say NYK is a division title contender, let alone conference or even NBA title

 

Stoudamire can play pick and roll with Jeremy Lin but when Camelo comes back, most of the attacks go through him

[Scion]

  On 2/12/2012 at 9:49 AM, Acemundo said:

americans quite discrminating. read he was playing very well at palo alto (think high school level) but was not picked up early to be groomed.

 

even when he was drafted into nba, golden state and houston didn't give him much chance to play.

 

even for new york, he only get this chance to play because new york had very long list of injured players.

 

yahoo asked if jeremy is next yao ming.

 

i say rubbish, he's way ahead of yao ming.

 

yao ming had only height advantage but was very slow and clumsy. he didn't made that much impact in nba and was always injured.

 

this guy can dribble had the agility and moves and yet had a decent height. very rare for chinese genes to have such height and yet be so nimble and skillful.

 

 

are you kidding me?

 

Jeremy Lin only play well for 5 games and he's now better than a 10-year NBA veteran who averages 19 points and 9.2 rebounds in his NBA career?

[Freestylers09]

Yaoming play Centre

 

Jeremy Lim play point guard

 

both different position,cannot compare like that...just like Rodman only take rebound make him good enuff as NBA Chicago superstar..LOL

[Acemundo]

  On 2/12/2012 at 9:54 AM, Scion said:

are you kidding me?

 

Jeremy Lin only play well for 5 games and he's now better than a 10-year NBA veteran who averages 19 points and 9.2 rebounds in his NBA career?

better in terms of skills was my point.

 

don't throw me statistics. basketball is a game that height matters a lot. Yao's height obviously did help him score points. but i can see he is very clumsy. i still stand by my view yao isn't skillful. even shaq who is bigger (but less tall than him) had better moves to the basket.

 

in terms of physique of chinese players, it is definitely harder to find a good guard than a good centre.

[Acemundo]

  On 2/12/2012 at 10:00 AM, Freestylers09 said:

Yaoming play Centre

 

Jeremy Lim play point guard

 

both different position,cannot compare like that...just like Rodman only take rebound make him good enuff as NBA Chicago superstar..LOL

i agree. but yahoo started the ball rolling by putting him as comparison as next yao ming.

 

granted a guard is always more skillful than a centre. but if you noticed, all the china born players that ever made in roads to nba are very tall and all playing at the center or power forward position. it is much more difficult for chinese genes to come up with a guard good enough to make it into nba. for centre, at least it is easier to find very tall players of chinese descent.

[Tuna_seng]

  On 2/12/2012 at 10:11 AM, Acemundo said:

i agree. but yahoo started the ball rolling by putting him as comparison as next yao ming.

 

granted a guard is always more skillful than a centre. but if you noticed, all the china born players that ever made in roads to nba are very tall and all playing at the center or power forward position. it is much more difficult for chinese genes to come up with a guard good enough to make it into nba. for centre, at least it is easier to find very tall players of chinese descent.

 

Have you been to northern china? The chinese people there are mostly taller and bigger sized than the average asian. It is the weather, climate and the traditional northern food they eat (flour, meat and potatoes). With their great population of taller guys, it is not difficult to find those very tall fellas and train them.

[Jeff49er]

I saw game ag Lakers. He was awesome. I wish he was at Boston Celtics but they have already 3 PGs. Ronjo is a good PG but he is not a threat in shooting.

[Acemundo]

I have been and that is precisely my point. Finding another yao ming to play in NBA is not out of the question. Finding another Jeremy will be much more difficult.

Edited February 12, 2012 by Acemundo

[Tarzan666]

Yao professional basketballer - born & bred in china, trained in china. He is a legend, as others say diff position so doesnt look as exciting as lin. But he's effective.

 

Lin - abc, played pt & study.. He was playing in feeder squad in other nba teams.

Onli in ny.. He starts to shine. Lin still bit premature to say he b dat great.

[Acemundo]

  On 2/12/2012 at 11:15 AM, Tarzan666 said:

Yao professional basketballer - born & bred in china, trained in china. He is a legend, as others say diff position so doesnt look as exciting as lin. But he's effective.

 

Lin - abc, played pt & study.. He was playing in feeder squad in other nba teams.

Onli in ny.. He starts to shine. Lin still bit premature to say he b dat great.

 

in many basketball teams, centers most times do not even like the game or play it that much at the onset. but because they are that extremely tall, they are cajoled into joining the team and the training regime is very straight forward. do weights and then just practice only hook shot, bank shot and short range turnaround or fadeway shot and that's it. this shows the center position needs a lot more height and considerably less repertoire of skills compared to other position.

 

of course people may say the positions they are playing is different we are comparing apples to oranges. if this was the case then why did we not blast the football associations for always picking attacking midfielders to be the world footballer of the year? this is a fact, being a goalkeeper does not require that much repertoire of skills as compared to an an attacking midfielder or striker. schmeichel was the greatest goalkeeper and he did wonders (helping a hirtheto unnoticed denmark land the european crown and helping man u to a treble and strings of epl titles) but he also did not win the world footballer of the year.

 

like i say, if yahoo were to put him as great because of the skills, i have my reservation. i never did question him about his effectiveness, even though long injury spells also doesn't really help to bolster the case for him. never did i say lin is great, but like i say, the stats already suggest that it is much rarer to be able to see a chinese guard in nba than a chinese center. as far as i can recall those chinese that made it to nba are yao ming, yi jianlian and wang zhizhi. if we bother to google we will know all of them plays in what position. i am indeed more excited about lin because i know it is much tougher for a chinese to make it to nba in the guard position than the center position.

Edited February 12, 2012 by Acemundo

[Kiadaw]

  On 2/12/2012 at 11:15 AM, Tarzan666 said:

Yao professional basketballer - born & bred in china, trained in china. He is a legend, as others say diff position so doesnt look as exciting as lin. But he's effective.

 

Lin - abc, played pt & study.. He was playing in feeder squad in other nba teams.

Onli in ny.. He starts to shine. Lin still bit premature to say he b dat great.

 

I like fish & chip, I also like Nasi Lemak & Chicken rice. We can choose to like them all without comparing which is better.

[YellowFlash]

this guy makes me wanna watch nba again...its really sensational watching him play...like the asian michael jordon.

[Scion]

  On 2/12/2012 at 10:06 AM, Acemundo said:

better in terms of skills was my point.

 

don't throw me statistics. basketball is a game that height matters a lot. Yao's height obviously did help him score points. but i can see he is very clumsy. i still stand by my view yao isn't skillful. even shaq who is bigger (but less tall than him) had better moves to the basket.

 

in terms of physique of chinese players, it is definitely harder to find a good guard than a good centre.

 

 

basketball is all about stats (points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, turnovers, FT, FG%, 3PFG, efficiency)

 

and in NBA athleticism matters more than height

90% of the best players in NBA are nowhere near the tallest

[Scion]

  On 2/12/2012 at 10:43 AM, Acemundo said:

I have been and that is precisely my point. Finding another yao ming to play in NBA is not out of the question. Finding another Jeremy will be much more difficult.

 

 

look at the tallest players ever to play in NBA... how many you have heard of?

 

for his height, skills and agility, Yao Ming is definitely a rare find for a classic-type of center

 

manute bol was too feather weight for his height... shawn bradley was a joke

 

Ilgauskas lost his hopes when Lebron James left Cavaliers

 

 

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7 ft 7 in (2.31 m) 315 lb (143 kg) Gheorghe Mureşan

 

7 ft 7 in (2.31 m) 200 lb (91 kg) Manute Bol

 

7 ft 6.55 in (2.30 m) 275 lb (125 kg) Slavko Vrane

[Acemundo]

please la, using poorer player to cite and then show him as a good player is just using negatives to prove a positive? this is hardly the way to prove anything.

 

the rest are lousy doesn't mean he is good. at the most you can only say he is not lousy. and i didn't say he is lousy. i just don't find him great.

 

anyway this type of comparison goes nowhere, i can also find much better centers, so where do we go from here?

 

  On 2/12/2012 at 4:18 PM, Scion said:

look at the tallest players ever to play in NBA... how many you have heard of?

 

for his height, skills and agility, Yao Ming is definitely a rare find for a classic-type of center

 

manute bol was too feather weight for his height... shawn bradley was a joke

 

Ilgauskas lost his hopes when Lebron James left Cavaliers

 

 

7 ft 7 in (2.31 m) 315 lb (143 kg) Gheorghe Mureşan

 

7 ft 7 in (2.31 m) 200 lb (91 kg) Manute Bol

 

7 ft 6.55 in (2.30 m) 275 lb (125 kg) Slavko Vrane

[Calvin79]

  On 2/12/2012 at 1:54 PM, Kiadaw said:

I like fish & chip, I also like Nasi Lemak & Chicken rice. We can choose to like them all without comparing which is better.

 

Yeh... he may be born and bred in the states....

but there is asian blood in him...

and we feel proud of any asian that stands out on a world stage...

 

Same goes for the pacman...

he is not from my country... but when he is up against anyone from around other regions... i naturally root for him...

 

[Nostalgia]

I've been following the stories this week. Some of the background here:

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7564789/...ing-hope-knicks

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...ticle-1.1020856

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/sports/b...rss&emc=rss

http://gothamist.com/2012/02/11/lintense_f...linmazed_by.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...ticle-1.1020822

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...ticle-1.1021125

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/sports/b...mberwolves.html

 

The amazing part of the story is that he was undrafted when he came out in 2010, got cut by two different teams in December and was picked by the Knicks as a backup. He's been camping on his brother's couch because he did not dare to commit to renting an apartment. It took the injuries of Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire for him to be given a shot as point guard, and what a bet he's turned out to be. He's scoring at 58 %(!!) and not only that is enabling his previously unknown team mates to score career highs. Games played with strategy, intelligence, athleticism, as well as selfless passing make him a potential MVP. He is not the biggest, tallest, strongest, quickest, but he's got the whole package.

 

The reaction to him has ranged from incredibility and disbelief in the first couple of games, to a kind of skepticism, to fandom. The word for 2012 is LINSANITY.

 

And if I sound like a fan, I am again. After years of finding the NBA too boring to watch, I've become a fan again, watching games live where possible and catching highlights on Youtube. Tickets at Madison Square Garden soon.

 

It's a story of perseverance, dedication, and a little luck to go with it. Let's hope he keeps up the pace, and continues to get a chance to play when the 'stars' come back.

 

Edited February 13, 2012 by Nostalgia