Unless we have more babies, we need to accept immigrants

[Pchmj]

If they do the easy way to import, they have serious problems.

What are the Pros and Cons of these 2 types of Population expansion ?

 

1. an Organic growth in population

 

 

 

2. An imported growth in population

 

I never think about that and don't care since I can't do anything. But I know they are using option 2 and see the huge increase in GDP. That is what they are looking for.

[TVT]

I think we don't have to give like 20k. Just give say 500 to 600 a month per baby for 18 years. Not too much not too little just nice to bring up the child.

If govt don't give money, at least fully subsidize for the childcare fee and medical fee, up to 6yrs old. I find parents are the hardest hit by financials at this period of time.

 

When a child goes into P1, provided them with a yearly fund of say $300 to buy textbooks, uniform, shoes, etc.

[Windwaver]

Lets be frank, if there is not stop at 2 policy, will you want to give birth to more than 2 given the situation now?

Stop at 2 is already 30 years or more old liao. what is important is now. what are you going to do? go for more than 2?

 

if still stop at 2. then the fault rest with you and not the policy already since its already been abolish.

 

so instead of keep harping on the past. look forward now, how many want to give birth (not even talking about 2 now)

 

I think it's a compound problem that most people are talking about when it comes to 'stop at 2' decades ago. If people hasn't stop at 2 previously, you might have more couples now stopping at 2 which in turn is still more than stopping at 2 last time.

 

Hope you guys understand what I meant

[TVT]

I think it's a compound problem that most people are talking about when it comes to 'stop at 2' decades ago. If people hasn't stop at 2 previously, you might have more couples now stopping at 2 which in turn is still more than stopping at 2 last time.

 

Sori, wat talking you har???

[Joseph22]

If govt don't give money, at least fully subsidize for the childcare fee and medical fee, up to 6yrs old. I find parents are the hardest hit by financials at this period of time.

 

When a child goes into P1, provided them with a yearly fund of say $300 to buy textbooks, uniform, shoes, etc.

yes medical fee is a killer.

[Joseph22]

I think it's a compound problem that most people are talking about when it comes to 'stop at 2' decades ago. If people hasn't stop at 2 previously, you might have more couples now stopping at 2 which in turn is still more than stopping at 2 last time.

 

Hope you guys understand what I meant

that is why I say it hasten rather than cause the problem

[Windwaver]

Sori, wat talking you har???

 

Haha, I know it is confusing

 

E.g.

 

30 years ago there are 500K couples. Each give birth to 3. By now, we'll have 1.5M 30 year olds. Assuming 750K couples now, each give birth to 2, it's 1.5M babies.

 

30 years ago, same 500K couples. Each give birth to 2 (stop at 2). By now, we'll only have 1M 30 year olds. Assuming 500K couples, each give birth to 2, it's only 1M babies.

 

So the problem gets compounded as the years go by

[Windwaver]

yes medical fee is a killer.

 

Actually medical fee is a killer at every stage of our life

[Cars08]

If govt don't give money, at least fully subsidize for the childcare fee and medical fee, up to 6yrs old. I find parents are the hardest hit by financials at this period of time.

 

When a child goes into P1, provided them with a yearly fund of say $300 to buy textbooks, uniform, shoes, etc.

It is not a problem but problem lies with enrichments and tuitions which can chalked up quite a big amt.... believe it or not...so imagine having too many kids and in order for parents to "train" their kids into talents, given that we do nt hv much n hv to import at current..... I've heard parents asking some yrs ago how to train their kids up and prep them for gifted programme...

 

I always tot gifted programme is for gifted students...but apparantly it seems to differ from what I understand... Our education system is a piece of joke...if we hv trained so many to become graduates and could nt find a single talent out of it...wat r we implying abt our education system? Perhaps those in this field so wake up their idea....

 

[Seaweed]

so no minimum wages...how many locals want to be cleaners...if not then the particular segment will still be flooded with cheap foreign labours....??

 

what's your suggestion to solve the low birth rate within locals now?

[Cars08]

Actually medical fee is a killer at every stage of our life

Medical fee will nt be a killer if u kill urself upon hearing that u hv a killer disease...it will be the most inexpensive avenue.......

[Tigerwoods]

I think we don't have to give like 20k. Just give say 500 to 600 a month per baby for 18 years. Not too much not too little just nice to bring up the child.

I think it should be 1k/mth for 6 years for each kid.

 

If this is in place, I don't mind Popping another 3 more kids with... my wife but her production line already stopped.

[Tigerwoods]

Till now you all seemed to continue to blame the Stop at 2 issue.

Garment tell you stop at 2 you all Kuai Kuai stop.

Garment tell you to Pop more babies you all donch follow law...

Both sides also got blame I say.

 

[Cars08]

Haha, I know it is confusing

 

E.g.

 

30 years ago there are 500K couples. Each give birth to 3. By now, we'll have 1.5M 30 year olds. Assuming 750K couples now, each give birth to 2, it's 1.5M babies.

 

30 years ago, same 500K couples. Each give birth to 2 (stop at 2). By now, we'll only have 1M 30 year olds. Assuming 500K couples, each give birth to 2, it's only 1M babies.

 

So the problem gets compounded as the years go by

 

Jus say that it will be a vicious cycle...n growing our population will never be the solution to our economic growth as ultimately our resources are scarce and we will hit a snag one day..we need to do more than that...Rather, getting rich ppl to entrench here thru putting in place good systems to retain them and keeping the population growth sustainable rather than using mass numbers.....

 

We can hv PRs n only convert quality ones rather than meeting the numbers... control the type of jobs going to PRs n foreign workers . Ensure our ppl r well educated and/or skilled n given a chance to takn up high value added tasks.... The article on lacking the type of talents required hence foreigners is a lame excuse...we shld train up our locals to assume specialise job..if locals are shunned then no locals will ever be able to fill the gap...we need to start somewhere....

 

[Happily1986]

so no minimum wages...how many locals want to be cleaners...if not then the particular segment will still be flooded with cheap foreign labours....??

 

what's your suggestion to solve the low birth rate within locals now?

 

Minimum wage with a ultra liberal immigration policy will make life harder for locals in the lower tier of society. we must scrutinise the foreigners who are coming here to make SGP their home so that those that eventually settle here are of a high calibre, who help to create jobs rather than compete for jobs. Minimum wage can then be imposed without fear that disenfranchised locals will see even greater foreign competition for their livelihood.

[Tigerwoods]

It is not a problem but problem lies with enrichments and tuitions which can chalked up quite a big amt.... believe it or not...so imagine having too many kids and in order for parents to "train" their kids into talents, given that we do nt hv much n hv to import at current..... I've heard parents asking some yrs ago how to train their kids up and prep them for gifted programme...

 

I always tot gifted programme is for gifted students...but apparantly it seems to differ from what I understand... Our education system is a piece of joke...if we hv trained so many to become graduates and could nt find a single talent out of it...wat r we implying abt our education system? Perhaps those in this field so wake up their idea....

 

I hate to admit but I'm 1 parent that bowed down to paying Moonlighting teachers to give tuition to my kids.

I think I need 2nd job to cover the cost of these $80/hr fees.

Anyone got part time job for me at night Mondays to Fridays from 7:00pm ~ 12:00am ?

 

I can do anything as long as it is not illegal.

[Joseph22]

Till now you all seemed to continue to blame the Stop at 2 issue.

Garment tell you stop at 2 you all Kuai Kuai stop.

Garment tell you to Pop more babies you all donch follow law...

Both sides also got blame I say.

haha good one.but we are different nowah. Last time no handphone ppl okay.now no handphone ppl don't believe. Last year my manager actually scold a storeman for telling him he got no handphone hence got no number to give to him in case of emergency.

[Tigerwoods]

haha good one.but we are different nowah. Last time no handphone ppl okay.now no handphone ppl don't believe. Last year my manager actually scold a storeman for telling him he got no handphone hence got no number to give to him in case of emergency.

My parents suffered alot during the stop and 2 period. they had 4 children

I was the 3rd kid and my mum told us during CNY that she almost wanted to aborted my kid Sister in 1971.

 

Stop at 2 was not the key that turn down our population.

ABORTION is.

 

I'm still firm on making abortion illegal in SG. Only for cases of Incest, Rape and a grety area of abnormal foetus.. I agree...