Commerical vehicle with private plate

[Wolfy3769]

It is not common but i had witness a few "van" with a private license plate no.

 

My concern is that the vehicles are the same.. but why 1 need to stick to a speed limit while another can drive as fast as any private car? So how LTA/TP set the speed of those commerical vehicle in the first place? And how save is it for this kind of vehicle to travel as fast as any private car?

 

I am not talking abt those private ambulance but normal van.

 

The most recent one was 1 Renault Traffic with a Private plate, puffing black smoke when climbing up the ECP slope.. (t sure is a diesel vehicle/0.. but it was zooming in and out of lane like some sport car when climbing the slope..

 

 

[Good-Carbuyer]

It is not common but i had witness a few "van" with a private license plate no.

 

My concern is that the vehicles are the same.. but why 1 need to stick to a speed limit while another can drive as fast as any private car? So how LTA/TP set the speed of those commerical vehicle in the first place? And how save is it for this kind of vehicle to travel as fast as any private car?

 

I am not talking abt those private ambulance but normal van.

 

The most recent one was 1 Renault Traffic with a Private plate, puffing black smoke when climbing up the ECP slope.. (t sure is a diesel vehicle/0.. but it was zooming in and out of lane like some sport car when climbing the slope..

I believe you are refering to those private plate MPV like Hafei...

I changed my mind about buying one when LTA enlightened me of a 70km/H speed limit with/without displaying 70km/H speed limit signage. They can not brake like others beyond that speed.

[Cable]

They have proper seats and are not loaded with goods. The Hilux cab got no 70km speed limit.

[Nismo22]

its their choice of vehicles, as long as they have the $ , why not? , if its diesel , they just have to pay for diesel tax, if its petrol , den no diff from normal car except for the price which may cost alot more than a car , since its rare , and the agent would hav to do up seats behind and seat belts .

just that due to their weight , braking might not be as good so , well yeah

[Jumpmanz]

if i'm not wrong, their specs are for cars. paid cat A or B COE too.

[Flykite]

its their choice of vehicles, as long as they have the $ , why not? , if its diesel , they just have to pay for diesel tax, if its petrol , den no diff from normal car except for the price which may cost alot more than a car , since its rare , and the agent would hav to do up seats behind and seat belts .

just that due to their weight , braking might not be as good so , well yeah

 

its not that rare, price wise is similar.

most diesel vans come with their petrol engined passenger version, just that it is only imported into sinkapore upon order.

 

some common models are:

 

Fiat Panorama

Daihatsu Extol

Mercedes Vito taxi

Toyota Hilux taxi

Renault Kangaroo

HAFEI Minz

Dongfeng

 

Vehicle wise is no different from their van counterparts, apart from the engine type, additional seats + their respective seat belts

 

What's the difference between a vito taxi fully laden with 7pax + luggages rushing at 110km/h on ECP and a vito van driving at same speed without carrying goods? Which is safer?

 

Or would (example) the HAFEI Minz travelling at 90kph be able to have a shorter braking distance than a Kangoo with ABS ?

 

 

So my take is, the LTA/TP rule of speed limits for commercial vehicles stem from the 1960s, are totally outdated in today's terms of technologies.

But since the rule was there, is there and will be there, and no one knows and no one bothers about who's responsible for changing it, so it remains till today.

 

A lot of laws in our sinking country are outdated or illogical anyway.

[Nodtviedt]

I'm sure there are other factors taken into consideration as well, like laden weight, blind spots and risk factors & fatality in accidents etc etc.

 

A fully loaded goods vehicle will also have a much longer stopping distance at high speed due to the momentum generated by mass.

[Good-Carbuyer]

its not that rare, price wise is similar.

most diesel vans come with their petrol engined passenger version, just that it is only imported into sinkapore upon order.

 

some common models are:

 

Fiat Panorama

Daihatsu Extol

Mercedes Vito taxi

Toyota Hilux taxi

Renault Kangaroo

HAFEI Minz

Dongfeng

 

Vehicle wise is no different from their van counterparts, apart from the engine type, additional seats + their respective seat belts

 

What's the difference between a vito taxi fully laden with 7pax + luggages rushing at 110km/h on ECP and a vito van driving at same speed without carrying goods? Which is safer?

 

Or would (example) the HAFEI Minz travelling at 90kph be able to have a shorter braking distance than a Kangoo with ABS ?

 

 

So my take is, the LTA/TP rule of speed limits for commercial vehicles stem from the 1960s, are totally outdated in today's terms of technologies.

But since the rule was there, is there and will be there, and no one knows and no one bothers about who's responsible for changing it, so it remains till today.

 

A lot of laws in our sinking country are outdated or illogical anyway.

My enquiry years back with LTA was only on Extol, Minz, Dongfeng, for MPV usage, which they did enlightened me on the 70km/H speed limit due to their braking distances. Anyone can enlighten on the other models?

[Wolfy3769]

what can stop a Renault Traffic owner with private plate to load the car as a commerical vehicle.. then drive as fast as a private car (or higher than the speed limit then the commercial counterpart)... will he be able to stop in time..

it is not just the driver life in dangerous.. it also involve other road user...

 

@good-carbuyer - ur info was actually new to me... but i doube how much the "invisible" speed limit will have on any of the drivers (at least those that i witness are all way faster than the 70km/hr speed limit).

 

u may say that even without private license plate, alot of commerical vehicle are travelling faster than their speed limit...

 

BTW, ABS is nvr to to shorten the braking distance, it just to prevent skid.. unless ur ABS is different from the one I know..

 

Also disc brake come in a lot of class.. 220mm.. 300mm 350mm.. each have different braking power.. so just mean the van with disc brake, will mean he can travel at faster speed? i think it have to depend on the design of the car...

I have see a lot of cars unable to brake in time during accident.. with or without a heavy load....

Brake dont make a different... speed does..

[Nismo22]

i think theres the issue of maintanence , most commercial has high maintanence cost , except some jap makes , the rest just keep breaking down and repair cost is Sky high due to complex engine design and spare parts cost, esp those Bigger european Vans.

[TMCTR]

How nice if I can buy a Mercedes Viano for my family..

[Ladykillerz]

those drivers who drive such vehicles and want to speed, they better think twice.

it's not how fast you can go but how fast they can stop with such a long braking distance vehicle.

[Renotrafic]

Go join the PAP n U can ban whatever vehich u dun like!!!

 

eat too full no s--t to let go!!

 

[Renotrafic]

Lambo spec so good, disc brake so big why still crash into e taxi?? It's all about the f--king driver not e car..

 

 

[KARTer]

My enquiry years back with LTA was only on Extol, Minz, Dongfeng, for MPV usage, which they did enlightened me on the 70km/H speed limit due to their braking distances. Anyone can enlighten on the other models?

Some days I drive a pte plate van, the braking sucks.... so do be careful if you are driving one

 

One thing good: the engine / gear ratio are designe to pull heavy loads, so if you are driving alone with no cargo, the acceleration from zero is quite impressive, can even start with 2nd gear

[Mustank]

How nice if I can buy a Mercedes Viano for my family..

 

Yeah!!!!!! Yeah!!!!!!! Mers viano :wub: pump diesel, ride bus lane!!!!!!! Woohoo!!!!!!!

 

price [bigcry]

[Bicolor]

Some days I drive a pte plate van, the braking sucks.... so do be careful if you are driving one

 

One thing good: the engine / gear ratio are designe to pull heavy loads, so if you are driving alone with no cargo, the acceleration from zero is quite impressive, can even start with 2nd gear

 

I've driven some lorries which brake very well at low speeds, but of course once you get to speeds above 60 or 70km/h the difference from most cars is clearly apparent.

 

Also, the high centre of gravity also means that no matter how fast you can go on straight roads you have to really slow down in corners.

[KARTer]

I've driven some lorries which brake very well at low speeds, but of course once you get to speeds above 60 or 70km/h the difference from most cars is clearly apparent.

 

Also, the high centre of gravity also means that no matter how fast you can go on straight roads you have to really slow down in corners.

I feel the van is going to tople in corners if i go a bit faster

Noon sun wont hit me coz the windscreen is near vertial