How problematic is VW's 7 speed DSG?

[CPT_James_T_Kirk]

  On 10/18/2021 at 9:58 AM, Daniu82 said:

Just 1 question, what’s the difference between DSG and the s tronic used by Audi? How abt BMW’s steptronic and Merc’s DCT? I am comparing these gearboxs used by entry level cars by these brands? I searched online and saw that basically DCT, DSG and s tronic are the same, just different naming. Can anyone enlighten me? 

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Depends on what you are referring to. No complains for BMW gearbox so far. Most BMWs are using ZF8 speed gearbox which is not a dual-clutch transmission but it is damn solid.

[Wt_know]

  On 10/18/2021 at 3:10 PM, CPT_James_T_Kirk said:

Depends on what you are referring to. No complains for BMW gearbox so far. Most BMWs are using ZF8 speed gearbox which is not a dual-clutch transmission but it is damn solid.

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yeah ... BMW high end model uses 8sp ZF ... awesome  

low end model uses 6sp Aisin (discontinue?) and now uses Getrag (7DCT) for BMW 1 & 2 series?

Edited October 18, 2021 by Wt_know

[CPT_James_T_Kirk]

  On 10/18/2021 at 3:13 PM, Wt_know said:

yeah ... higher end model uses ZF ... lower end model uses Aisin (Japan) and Getrag 

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It kind of depends on which model you go for. For example F20 uses ZF8 even though it's the entry level model. My current and previous BMW use ZF8 and it is simply incredible.

But yes, most newer entry level models are using Getrag 7 speed DCT. So far haven't had bad stuff about it regarding reliability unlike VW...

Edited October 18, 2021 by CPT_James_T_Kirk

[Wt_know]

actually, all gearbox manufacturer are good ... the main problem is DRY vs WET

DRY ... fast shifting and A LOT cheaper to make 

but ... DRY cannot last long .... WET better ... can push and push ... muahahahaha

Edited October 18, 2021 by Wt_know

[hsolo89]

@CPT_James_T_Kirk been driving my 218i for a while now. not sure if its aisin or getrag but its wayyy better than my previous A200 (despite the >20bhp difference)..

Reliability wise, so far no issue but maybe i should only give a judgment in a couple years time 😂

Edited October 18, 2021 by hsolo89

[lexiton]

nowadays MU and DSG repairs so much cheaper compared to 10 years ago

[ER-3682]

  On 10/18/2021 at 4:35 PM, hsolo89 said:

@CPT_James_T_Kirk been driving my 218i for a while now. not sure if its aisin or getrag but its wayyy better than my previous A200 (despite the >20bhp difference)..

Reliability wise, so far no issue but maybe i should only give a judgment in a couple years time 😂

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F22,218i.?or the latest Gran Coup.?

[Wt_know]

  On 10/18/2021 at 4:55 PM, lexiton said:

nowadays MU and DSG repairs so much cheaper compared to 10 years ago

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yeah ... take it as wear and tear? lol

[Daniu82]

  On 10/18/2021 at 10:10 AM, Wt_know said:

it's the legendary DQ200 dry clutch gearbox

VW, Seat, Skoda and Audi ... all are affected if fitted with DQ200

not sure whether BMW and Merc got used "dry" 

dry vs wet  ... that's the difference

for VW/Audi as long as the torque is above 250Nm ... no scare because it is not DQ200 (max torque 250Nm)

 

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So you mean it's not only the DQ200 problem, if other brands like BMW, Merc or even more common brands like Hyundai or Kia using dry DCT, DSG etc also will have problem right?

[Wt_know]

  On 10/19/2021 at 1:20 AM, Daniu82 said:

So you mean it's not only the DQ200 problem, if other brands like BMW, Merc or even more common brands like Hyundai or Kia using dry DCT, DSG etc also will have problem right?

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that's my opinion only

but didn't heard much complain from the kimchi car

this mean kimchi make better DRY than amdk DRY ... lol

[hsolo89]

@ER-3682 F44 218i. GC

[ER-3682]

  On 10/19/2021 at 1:10 PM, hsolo89 said:

@ER-3682 F44 218i. GC

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Then it is not using the ZF.

[inlinesix]

  On 10/19/2021 at 1:10 PM, hsolo89 said:

@ER-3682 F44 218i. GC

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  On 10/19/2021 at 1:23 PM, ER-3682 said:

Then it is not using the ZF.

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FWD 3 pot uses Getrag DKG

FWD 4 pot uses Aisin

[hsolo89]

@inlinesix mmm i assume Aisin is better than Getrag? Sorry complete noob on these stuffs

[Wt_know]

  On 10/27/2021 at 12:21 AM, hsolo89 said:

@inlinesix mmm i assume Aisin is better than Getrag? Sorry complete noob on these stuffs

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my personal view ... ZF > Getrag > Aisin ... 

[inlinesix]

  On 10/27/2021 at 12:21 AM, hsolo89 said:

@inlinesix mmm i assume Aisin is better than Getrag? Sorry complete noob on these stuffs

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Getrag has 300nm torque limit

[khee76]

  On 10/18/2021 at 3:09 PM, CPT_James_T_Kirk said:

The salesman will always say it was solved last year. The service was pretty good though, but reliability is insanely bad...

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I agreed service is good. As long as you can demo the failure, VW will repair for you. For my experience, brought the car in 2018. Changed the clutch about 1 year later. There is a tong sound during gear change from 2-3. Change the MU last year. Practically stuck in 2nd gear. Cannot start the car. The display is saying move to Gear 1 to start car. Then toll back for repair. Practically every year "staycation" in service centre. Sold the car early this year.

Avoid DCT in my next car. If you know how dual clutch work, it is what it is. The constant pre-clutch engagement and disengagement is main cause of the failure. It helps on the FC and drive feel. DCT is cheap to the manufacturer. You need to accept the repair cost if you decided on DCT. It is not only on VW. My frd driving Alfa also having same problem. 

However the repair is definitely cheaper. Made in China MU and Clutch is easily available. No longer rebuild the clutch locally. I see a repair on DSG from a Taiwan Youtuber. It is about S$1k for the component import from China. plus a few hundred for the clutch oil/fluid  and etc. Plus Manpower cost. After repair, it will last another 100k

[t0y0ta]

  On 10/27/2021 at 1:33 AM, khee76 said:

I agreed service is good. As long as you can demo the failure, VW will repair for you. For my experience, brought the car in 2018. Changed the clutch about 1 year later. There is a tong sound during gear change from 2-3. Change the MU last year. Practically stuck in 2nd gear. Cannot start the car. The display is saying move to Gear 1 to start car. Then toll back for repair. Practically every year "staycation" in service centre. Sold the car early this year.

Avoid DCT in my next car. If you know how dual clutch work, it is what it is. The constant pre-clutch engagement and disengagement is main cause of the failure. It helps on the FC and drive feel. DCT is cheap to the manufacturer. You need to accept the repair cost if you decided on DCT. It is not only on VW. My frd driving Alfa also having same problem. 

However the repair is definitely cheaper. Made in China MU and Clutch is easily available. No longer rebuild the clutch locally. I see a repair on DSG from a Taiwan Youtuber. It is about S$1k for the component import from China. plus a few hundred for the clutch oil/fluid  and etc. Plus Manpower cost. After repair, it will last another 100k

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Get normal gearbox car lah... why get stuck on the road while rushing to pick up your angry galfren?