New Subaru XV

[Hobbes187]

 

Thanks for the detailed feedback! You have a point on the depreciation, free servicing etc and this definitely has to be taken into consideration.

 

Was just wondering of the response of the XV vs QQ1.2T but I guess it's not a fair consideration as one is a turbo.

Agree with micb, i chose xv mainly due to the price i.e. the lower depreciation.

 

The QQ interior is definitely much nicer, has more gadgets and feels more upscale - i really like the QQ interior trims. Interior size wise feels similiar. Exterior size xv is slightly longer.

 

I was really torn between xv, QQ, mazda 3 and vezel. But at the end of the day, chose xv as i wanted to save the additonal 10-15k over the rest. In fact it seems like one of the only crossover in this price range. It has lower depreciation than most of the 2nd hand cars I was shortlisting.

 

Throw in the 5 year free service and safety, I thought it was a good deal. My main concern was the pick up due to the xv size and weight. But after testing it, i felt it was adequate for local roads.

[Fuelsaver]

Agree with micb, i chose xv mainly due to the price i.e. the lower depreciation.

 

The QQ interior is definitely much nicer, has more gadgets and feels more upscale - i really like the QQ interior trims. Interior size wise feels similiar. Exterior size xv is slightly longer.

 

I was really torn between xv, QQ, mazda 3 and vezel. But at the end of the day, chose xv as i wanted to save the additonal 10-15k over the rest. In fact it seems like one of the only crossover in this price range. It has lower depreciation than most of the 2nd hand cars I was shortlisting.

 

Throw in the 5 year free service and safety, I thought it was a good deal. My main concern was the pick up due to the xv size and weight. But after testing it, i felt it was adequate for local roads.

i thot xv n mz3 n vezel price quite close, unless xv sellin at near 100k after all applicable discounts?

[Hobbes187]

i thot xv n mz3 n vezel price quite close, unless xv sellin at near 100k after all applicable discounts?

 

When I was shopping around in Dec, the mz3 was around 122k for base and 127k for deluxe. Vezel X was around 118k+ from the reputable PIs. I think maybe since then prices came down by about 2k each.

[Hobbes187]

Another point to consider is the CEVS rebates. It makes the depreciation different on cars with similar selling prices.

 

Vezel's CEVS rebate can be up to 15k. Mz3 is 10k if I'm not wrong. XV is 5k.

 

These new rules means we have to make a little more calculation to compare the actual depreciation. I think it would be simpler when they remove this CEVS scheme in the future.

Edited January 26, 2015 by Hobbes187

[Greenwood]

Another point to consider is the CEVS rebates. It makes the depreciation different on cars with similar selling prices.

 

Vezel's CEVS rebate can be up to 15k. Mz3 is 10k if I'm not wrong. XV is 5k.

 

These new rules means we have to make a little more calculation to compare the actual depreciation. I think it would be simpler when they remove this CEVS scheme in the future.

 

Relevant point. Does anyone know what is the typical parf (scarp value at 10 years) for the 1.6 XV, 1.2 QQ and Vezel x model?

[Spring]

Another point to consider is the CEVS rebates. It makes the depreciation different on cars with similar selling prices.

 

Vezel's CEVS rebate can be up to 15k. Mz3 is 10k if I'm not wrong. XV is 5k.

 

These new rules means we have to make a little more calculation to compare the actual depreciation. I think it would be simpler when they remove this CEVS scheme in the future.

The idea of the CEVS is actually good ie incentives for vehicles with better emissions n penalising those who are the opposite. Trouble is the implementation is such that they deduct the CEVS rebate from the upfront taxes and as usual those ADs capitalise on it such that it gets camouflaged and doesn't go to the buyer directly. Better way would be for LTA to refund to customer directly but as usual they will say administratively it's tough for them and they also have to put the funds aside. So end of the day we motorists become the suckers as usual👎

[Hobbes187]

 

Relevant point. Does anyone know what is the typical parf (scarp value at 10 years) for the 1.6 XV, 1.2 QQ and Vezel x model?

Just sharing some of my calculations. These numbers were from dec when I was looking around. May be slightly different now. Please correct me if any values are wrong.

 

XV omv about 15900 with 5k cevs so parf about 5500. Estimated depreciation based on 110.8k is 10530 a year.

 

Vezel omv ard 18500 with 15k cevs so parf about 1750?? Not sure about this as I think there may be a min parf value. 1750 seems too low. Estimated depreciation based on 119k is 11725 a year.

 

QQ omv about 22000 (can't remember exact) with 5k cevs so parf about 8500. Estimated depreciation based on 125k is 11650 a year.

 

S-cross omv about 17500 with 10k cevs so parf about 3750. Estimated depreciation based on 119k is 11525 a year.

 

These numbers do not take into account free servicing or any salesman discounts you may get.

Edited January 27, 2015 by Hobbes187

[Fuelsaver]

The idea of the CEVS is actually good ie incentives for vehicles with better emissions n penalising those who are the opposite. Trouble is the implementation is such that they deduct the CEVS rebate from the upfront taxes and as usual those ADs capitalise on it such that it gets camouflaged and doesn't go to the buyer directly. Better way would be for LTA to refund to customer directly but as usual they will say administratively it's tough for them and they also have to put the funds aside. So end of the day we motorists become the suckers as usual👎

we r not suckers for 1st time when authorities implement smthg. must b upper level squeeze them not to eat into nasional budget so eat into us lor.

Just sharing some of my calculations. These numbers were from dec when I was looking around. May be slightly different now. Please correct me if any values are wrong.

 

XV omv about 15900 with 5k cevs so parf about 5500. Estimated depreciation based on 110.8k is 10530 a year.

 

Vezel omv ard 18500 with 15k cevs so parf about 1750?? Not sure about this as I think there may be a min parf value. 1750 seems too low. Estimated depreciation based on 119k is 11725 a year.

 

QQ omv about 22000 (can't remember exact) with 5k cevs so parf about 8500. Estimated depreciation based on 125k is 11650 a year.

 

S-cross omv about 17500 with 10k cevs so parf about 3750. Estimated depreciation based on 119k is 11525 a year.

 

These numbers do not take into account free servicing or any salesman discounts you may get.

vezel cevs is 10k, omv around 20k, so parf = 5k. other model cevs u stated r correct. i do find s-cross a bit ex though but the top range 4wd w pano roof omv is about 20k.

[Hobbes187]

 

vezel cevs is 10k, omv around 20k, so parf = 5k. other model cevs u stated r correct. i do find s-cross a bit ex though but the top range 4wd w pano roof omv is about 20k.

 

Vezel used to be OMV 10k but according the vezel forum thread, it recently got reclassified to the 15k rebate category due to lower emissions tested. Maybe those who are interested in vezel needs to find out more. It seems weird to me because it looks like the car owner get penalized for better emissions. By right if they now get 15k rebates, the selling price should be adjusted accordingly.

 

Based on 5k parf, vezel depreciation is lower at about 11400 per year.

 

The top line S-cross is $129k... Can get a 2L Forrester at that price. Actually between S-cross and vezel, i think vezel is a better buy hands down.

[Fuelsaver]

 

Vezel used to be OMV 10k but according the vezel forum thread, it recently got reclassified to the 15k rebate category due to lower emissions tested. Maybe those who are interested in vezel needs to find out more. It seems weird to me because it looks like the car owner get penalized for better emissions. By right if they now get 15k rebates, the selling price should be adjusted accordingly.

 

Based on 5k parf, vezel depreciation is lower at about 11400 per year.

 

The top line S-cross is $129k... Can get a 2L Forrester at that price. Actually between S-cross and vezel, i think vezel is a better buy hands down.

agree w this para u've commented, only i nvr really considered forester, but if want, then go for xt w better performance n options.

[Micb]

 

Vezel used to be OMV 10k but according the vezel forum thread, it recently got reclassified to the 15k rebate category due to lower emissions tested. Maybe those who are interested in vezel needs to find out more. It seems weird to me because it looks like the car owner get penalized for better emissions. By right if they now get 15k rebates, the selling price should be adjusted accordingly.

 

Based on 5k parf, vezel depreciation is lower at about 11400 per year.

 

The top line S-cross is $129k... Can get a 2L Forrester at that price. Actually between S-cross and vezel, i think vezel is a better buy hands down.

 

Recently, I received a call from PI regarding a price reduction of the Vezel from 124k+ to 115k+, likely due to the new CEVS preference ratio given to PI only, thus the CEVS for Vezel has increased to 15k. I think this lower pricing will make the Vezel more attractive, however only issues are still the warranty and recall, if any.

 

May be lao liao, my priority is a fuss free motoring experience for both work and family ! I'm placing safety and reliability as my top choice.

 

As indicated by another bro, strictly no french brands and no VW group for me. Am still open to korean though, if only the AD don't priced it sooooooo premium level lol : )

[Hobbes187]

 

Recently, I received a call from PI regarding a price reduction of the Vezel from 124k+ to 115k+, likely due to the new CEVS preference ratio given to PI only, thus the CEVS for Vezel has increased to 15k. I think this lower pricing will make the Vezel more attractive, however only issues are still the warranty and recall, if any.

 

May be lao liao, my priority is a fuss free motoring experience for both work and family ! I'm placing safety and reliability as my top choice.

 

As indicated by another bro, strictly no french brands and no VW group for me. Am still open to korean though, if only the AD don't priced it sooooooo premium level lol : )

At 115+ k vezel is getting compelling. Assuming 20k omv, parf will be 2.5k and annual depreciation 11350. The big consideration is again the usual PI uncertaintIes. Saw on the vezel thread that some are unhappy with the workshops.

 

Warranty wise, i guess hondas are pretty reliable. I drove 2 hondas so far and did have to make a warranty claim on an engine oil leak from the engine block. Other claims were simple things like rattling panels that needed to be fixed. And went in for 3 recalls fixes in all for the 2 cars. Problems like cvt gearbox jerk started coming in the fourth year when warranty over so it didn't matter, got it fixed outside. Otherwise hondas are really fun and reliable cars to drive.

[Rainyday]

I think most of us gone through the very similar shopping list since the new car is an expensive investment these days in Singapore.

 

I went to view quite a number sub 120k car including, Honda Vezel, Kia K3, Hyundai Elantra, and Nissan Sylphy, Mazda 3, Subaru Impreza and of course XV.

 

Vezel is probably more appropriate candidate if compare the car class. For about the same purchase price, Vezel come with higher CEVS (10k atleast, some new owner mentioned that it may recategorised to 15k) rebate, it translate lower PARF/paper value. Though Honda always good in resale value, but it is only applicable if you are direct selling to next owner. Not to forget the so call warranty and service packages offered by PI are actually supported by the local workshop. If there is any major recall from Honda Japan, it may not covered by the workshop. At the other hand XV come with 5 years, 100k km warranty, with better deal, you are entitle 100k km free servicing as well.

Some misc item like, you need to purchase the tonneau cover separately for Vezel because it is not come with it, smaller petrol capacity 40L, lesser passive SRS air bag, FWD, etc. With all these, I opt the XV from this category.

 

From the price perspective, this is will be very subjective and perhaps not so fair, sedan and crossover.

We can see very well equip Mazda 3, K3, Elantra, for the price of 110k, and for better in terms of space and luxury in Sylphy. Put aside all the good-to-have accessories, what XV stand out here is the passive safety, AWD and compact SUV.

One of the criteria that I'm looking for is the ISOFIX, it is not a mandatory in our homeland, but I think that is probably the best I can do for my kid while on the road, I have Britax Boulevard fix in my current ride, so I hope it should be standard for my next ride as well. With this, it seems like XV stand out again in this category.

 

It is definitely no right or wrong when shopping for car, just that which one is suit your better in terms of individual needs.

I find it suit me well at least for the next 3-5 years time.

 

 

 

[Hobbes187]

I think most of us gone through the very similar shopping list since the new car is an expensive investment these days in Singapore.

 

I went to view quite a number sub 120k car including, Honda Vezel, Kia K3, Hyundai Elantra, and Nissan Sylphy, Mazda 3, Subaru Impreza and of course XV.

 

Vezel is probably more appropriate candidate if compare the car class. For about the same purchase price, Vezel come with higher CEVS (10k atleast, some new owner mentioned that it may recategorised to 15k) rebate, it translate lower PARF/paper value. Though Honda always good in resale value, but it is only applicable if you are direct selling to next owner. Not to forget the so call warranty and service packages offered by PI are actually supported by the local workshop. If there is any major recall from Honda Japan, it may not covered by the workshop. At the other hand XV come with 5 years, 100k km warranty, with better deal, you are entitle 100k km free servicing as well.

Some misc item like, you need to purchase the tonneau cover separately for Vezel because it is not come with it, smaller petrol capacity 40L, lesser passive SRS air bag, FWD, etc. With all these, I opt the XV from this category.

 

From the price perspective, this is will be very subjective and perhaps not so fair, sedan and crossover.

We can see very well equip Mazda 3, K3, Elantra, for the price of 110k, and for better in terms of space and luxury in Sylphy. Put aside all the good-to-have accessories, what XV stand out here is the passive safety, AWD and compact SUV.

One of the criteria that I'm looking for is the ISOFIX, it is not a mandatory in our homeland, but I think that is probably the best I can do for my kid while on the road, I have Britax Boulevard fix in my current ride, so I hope it should be standard for my next ride as well. With this, it seems like XV stand out again in this category.

 

It is definitely no right or wrong when shopping for car, just that which one is suit your better in terms of individual needs.

I find it suit me well at least for the next 3-5 years time.

 

 

 

Did you check if the isofix points are available for all 3 rear seats? My current car only has them on the left and right rear, not at center. But the safest position for child seat should be in the middle so i end up using seat belt instead of isofix.

 

Safety is definitely a big consideration. XV has one of the highest recorded ncap score for child safety i think, especially for 18 months child.

[Rainyday]

Did you check if the isofix points are available for all 3 rear seats? My current car only has them on the left and right rear, not at center. But the safest position for child seat should be in the middle so i end up using seat belt instead of isofix.

 

Safety is definitely a big consideration. XV has one of the highest recorded ncap score for child safety i think, especially for 18 months child.

 

It is true that according to the research in US, the center rear of the car is the safest place for the child,

For XV, the ISOFIX is only available left and right.

[Rainyday]

Anyway, the ISOFIX doesn't mean that it is safer than safety belt, it is just a standard to ensure you can fit the child seat correctly.

The safety belt is equally good if able to secure the child seat correctly.

[Hobbes187]

Anyway, the ISOFIX doesn't mean that it is safer than safety belt, it is just a standard to ensure you can fit the child seat correctly.

The safety belt is equally good if able to secure the child seat correctly.

 

Yeah. I find it easier to attach the seat with isofix. But I will rather install in the middle seat with seat belt if there's no other choice.

[TongWeeChen]

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