Ronaldlhs Neutral Newbie December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 On 12/7/2011 at 3:21 PM, Vega said: Wonder ours is tougher or the US version? Anyone gone to SAF ranger course care to comment? When I was NS time, I was told that Singapore ranger more siong as local one is more toward tekan and shack session. US one is more toward gentleman but still very shack, but not as much tekan as in singapore. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiario 5th Gear December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 On 12/8/2011 at 1:03 AM, Ronaldlhs said: When I was NS time, I was told that Singapore ranger more siong as local one is more toward tekan and shack session. US one is more toward gentleman but still very shack, but not as much tekan as in singapore. a singapore regular will tell you singapore ranger more siong, ask a US ranger the same thing and he will tell you theirs more siong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feudallordcult 2nd Gear December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 I have always held the ranger cadre in the highest regard. I recall during reservist an encik sharing with us that he flushed down a 21-piece kfc barrel with two 6-pack tiger after completing his ranger course back in the early 80s. Great thread to follow, so happy that TS shared the youtube link. Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazdaowner Moderator December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 SAF sends our guys for local AND US Ranger courses, has been happening since the early 80s. On 12/7/2011 at 3:21 PM, Vega said: Wonder ours is tougher or the US version? Anyone gone to SAF ranger course care to comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazdaowner Moderator December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 They just want to "command" the respect, not EARN it. Then when they fail, they come back talking so much about it, somewhat "earning" bragging rights. You know very well one thing also, all the badges, all the courses, end of teh day, are totally USELESS, because when you leave, it doesn't follow you, only the knowledge follows, you still start from scratch, and during my time, people look upon you as some farking FREAK to parade around. early 80s, regulars did the courses, as many as they could, to get more MONEY. On 12/7/2011 at 11:47 PM, Ironstarz said: Being a ranger does not earn my respect, it's the attitude that earns my respect. I've seen many people going for the course and falling out with injuries, imho it's not worth it. Why risk your limb etc for such course??? Unless you're a commando i would say yes it's your requirement but any other vocation you're just asking for it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarzan666 2nd Gear December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 Ya lor..i remember reading articles SAF officers/specialists topping the class in some US navy seal or ranger course.. so our boys are beh pai oso. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Turbocharged December 8, 2011 Author Share December 8, 2011 On 12/8/2011 at 1:54 AM, Mazdaowner said: SAF sends our guys for local AND US Ranger courses, has been happening since the early 80s. The man probably the most qualify to comment in this forum finally appears. Wonder if the current standard has drop compare to yester-years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunlight 1st Gear December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 (edited) i thought TIKO RANGERS are the best?? standard never drop, because no standard Edited December 8, 2011 by Sunlight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin79 2nd Gear December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 Allow me as a ex CQMS of the School of commandos which conducts the ranger course to comment a bit... base on the feedback i have heard in my 2 years there... 1) The SG course is much much much tougher in terms of the mental torture they have to go through...(Plenty of tekan...i couldnt imagine till i saw it... but back in 1998 & 1999) 2) The US version is more professional... 3) It takes alot of courage for the high ranking officers to strip their ranks for the duration of the course (About 2 months plus) 1 month in SG and 1.5 months in TH... 4) Many ppl fall out in the SG version but not the US version Rumour has it that those sent for the US ranger course are normally high ranking officers who couldnt clear the local version... But for a commando to progress and be appt holder, they need to complete the ranger course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazdaowner Moderator December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 Who? On 12/8/2011 at 2:04 AM, Vega said: The man probably the most qualify to comment in this forum finally appears. Wonder if the current standard has drop compare to yester-years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocus Turbocharged December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 Singapore Ranger Creed "Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavour to uphold the prestige, honour and espirit de corps of the Rangers. Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier that arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land or by sea, I accept the fact that as a Ranger, my country expects me to walk further, faster and fight harder than any soldier. Never shall I fail my comrades, I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically fit and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task, whatever it may be. One hundred percent and then some. Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, my neatness of dress and my care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow. Energetically will I fight the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle, for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country. Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight onto the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazdaowner Moderator December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 On 12/8/2011 at 2:09 AM, Calvin79 said: Allow me as a ex CQMS of the School of commandos which conducts the ranger course to comment a bit... base on the feedback i have heard in my 2 years there... 1) The SG course is much much much tougher in terms of the mental torture they have to go through...(Plenty of tekan...i couldnt imagine till i saw it... but back in 1998 & 1999) 2) The US version is more professional... 3) It takes alot of courage for the high ranking officers to strip their ranks for the duration of the course (About 2 months plus) 1 month in SG and 1.5 months in TH... 4) Many ppl fall out in the SG version but not the US version Rumour has it that those sent for the US ranger course are normally high ranking officers who couldnt clear the local version... But for a commando to progress and be appt holder, they need to complete the ranger course... CQ, not true, high ranking not sent to US because of local failure. Local tab HAS to be attained prior to going to US, and it's on a selection basis. from local pass, no more then 4 will be selected for US tab. '98 Bernie made it to the US and local, if you know who Bernie is. 1st Coy OC in '98. 80s already NCOs were selected as well for US tabs. BTW, US one is not "professional" it's as much worse then the local, because of........, and in all Ranger course, there is NO SUCH thing as RANK. They will let you take the LEAD even if you are just an NCO. Slight preference will be given to officers, and they are expected to perform better, since they will be leading the pack into battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazdaowner Moderator December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 ok, I'm outta here. I heard all this from a friend. [wave] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocus Turbocharged December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 Dunno about Ranger course but at least for POW course the way it's conducted on us NSF and the way it's conducted for SOF are very very different. For NSF, alot of TSR and safety regulation during my time (that's even before the accidentally death) I've also witness the SOF kena POW, alot of physicall contact, the instructors literally thew TSR out of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin79 2nd Gear December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 On 12/8/2011 at 2:22 AM, Pocus said: Dunno about Ranger course but at least for POW course the way it's conducted on us NSF and the way it's conducted for SOF are very very different. For NSF, alot of TSR and safety regulation during my time (that's even before the accidentally death) I've also witness the SOF kena POW, alot of physicall contact, the instructors literally thew TSR out of the window. Yeh... i was in Crescendo to witness the POW... it was an eye opener considering i was 18 back then... it was like "wow" didnt know singaporeans could take this... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Turbocharged December 8, 2011 Author Share December 8, 2011 On 12/8/2011 at 2:18 AM, Mazdaowner said: CQ, not true, high ranking not sent to US because of local failure. Local tab HAS to be attained prior to going to US, and it's on a selection basis. from local pass, no more then 4 will be selected for US tab. '98 Bernie made it to the US and local, if you know who Bernie is. 1st Coy OC in '98. 80s already NCOs were selected as well for US tabs. BTW, US one is not "professional" it's as much worse then the local, because of........, and in all Ranger course, there is NO SUCH thing as RANK. They will let you take the LEAD even if you are just an NCO. Slight preference will be given to officers, and they are expected to perform better, since they will be leading the pack into battle. Wonder any of our guys send to US ranger course didnt come back with the tab.... aka...fail the course? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hondacub777 6th Gear December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 On 12/8/2011 at 2:00 AM, Mazdaowner said: They just want to "command" the respect, not EARN it. Then when they fail, they come back talking so much about it, somewhat "earning" bragging rights. You know very well one thing also, all the badges, all the courses, end of teh day, are totally USELESS, because when you leave, it doesn't follow you, only the knowledge follows, you still start from scratch, and during my time, people look upon you as some farking FREAK to parade around. early 80s, regulars did the courses, as many as they could, to get more MONEY. Drivers the best lah.Cum out with a license. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazdaowner Moderator December 8, 2011 Share December 8, 2011 I don't believe that, after the last dunking case, and with so many lau chow give the "goodbye handshake" it is no longer as it was before. One with no will power to survive, no survival instincts will never make it thru the course, also, NSF were never allowed into the course in the first place, it strictly was "Serve And Farkoff" BTW SOF and Regulars go TOGETHER for the course, there is no separate preference, SOF get this, regulars get that. On 12/8/2011 at 2:22 AM, Pocus said: Dunno about Ranger course but at least for POW course the way it's conducted on us NSF and the way it's conducted for SOF are very very different. For NSF, alot of TSR and safety regulation during my time (that's even before the accidentally death) I've also witness the SOF kena POW, alot of physicall contact, the instructors literally thew TSR out of the window. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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