FT son trying to siam NS

[Cerano]

Actually that's kind of the point I'm trying to make - if he doesn't see himself as enough of a citizen to do national service, doesn't want his pink IC, then what is the point? Would contrast it with someone like our esteemed parliamentarian that voluntarily served NS.

 

Govt should just let him go, if he doesn't want his IC, don't restrict him in any way. The only way this would be appropriate would be if he had to serve time in prison for a crime, serve out his bankruptcy or had entered into a contract of service (which he hasn't done)

 

the point is that you cant run from your national duty.

 

You may not want to return a loan you took but it remains a fact that you took a loan.

 

You have to repay him.

 

By accepting his pink IC when he was offered, he entered into such a contract.

[Darryn]

Bro , we also want him to go , and fark off ... but he need to pay back ( denention barrack for AWOL ) what he benifited . If the court rule infavour of him , it will set a new trend for all future FTs converts . Which we dont wish too see .

 

Pay back what exactly?

 

Yeah - it's kinda an obtuse question, but that's the nature of education - it is provided to citizens on the basis that it is a community good, of benefit to the general population.

 

To be consistent, if this is really the argument, then shouldn't Singapore say that each and every person that is accepted as a citizen here must first pay for their education to their homeland?

 

Basically what is being said, is that education is only given on the basis that you will serve the nation? With NS?

 

A position that I would quite tactlessly say is b-------t.

[Darryn]

the point is that you cant run from your national duty.

 

You may not want to return a loan you took but it remains a fact that you took a loan.

 

You have to repay him.

 

By accepting his pink IC when he was offered, he entered into such a contract.

 

the thing is, he DIDN'T "accept" a pink IC - his parents were SG Citizens, so he was also a citizen. He never "applied for" citizenship, it was something that came with his birth.

 

He started his schooling here at 10 - which is way way too young to enter into any sort of binding contract anyway.

 

So if you want to claim he has a "contract" it is akin to saying that Singapore is pressganging people and taking advantage of the immaturity of a 10 year old.

[Cerano]

the thing is, he DIDN'T "accept" a pink IC - his parents were SG Citizens, so he was also a citizen. He never "applied for" citizenship, it was something that came with his birth.

 

He started his schooling here at 10 - which is way way too young to enter into any sort of binding contract anyway.

 

So if you want to claim he has a "contract" it is akin to saying that Singapore is pressganging people and taking advantage of the immaturity of a 10 year old.

 

 

Zhang Junyi's parents Zhang Shaowei and Liang Jiali emigrated to Singapore in January 1996. They converted to Singapore citizenship, along with Zhang Junyi's 2 elder sisters. 2 months after gaining citizenship, they moved to Hongkong.

 

Zhang Junyi was borned in Hongkong 3 months after his family moved there. Subsequently, Zhang Junyi was granted Singapore citizenship the following Febraury. He lived in Hongkong until he returned to Singapore in 2005 at the age of 10 to study.

 

In August 2010, Zhang Junyi applied to Hongkong Department of Immigration to restore his Chinese citizenship. Although the Department accepted his application, it was conditional that he relinquishes his Singapore citizenship. 4 months later, Zhang Junyi notified the ICA of his intention to renouce his Singapore citizenship.

 

However. the ICA rejected his application, citing Section 1, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution that a citizen can only give up his citizenship when he is above 21 years old and that parents may not make such a decision for the child. The ICA also added that according to Section 2, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution, Zhang Junyi is obligated to complete his National Service as long as he remains a Singapore citizen.

 

 

His parents made that choice for him unwittingly or otherwise. Too bad for him fact of the matter is that he studied at a school funded by our taxpayers, probably visited a clinic or hospital funded by us and many other benefits.

 

Now the time has come for him to return the favour.

 

I hope you consider this too before you swap your pr-ship for a citizenship.

 

This is every singaporean's son's duty to the country

[Cerano]

Pay back what exactly?

 

Yeah - it's kinda an obtuse question, but that's the nature of education - it is provided to citizens on the basis that it is a community good, of benefit to the general population.

 

To be consistent, if this is really the argument, then shouldn't Singapore say that each and every person that is accepted as a citizen here must first pay for their education to their homeland?

 

Basically what is being said, is that education is only given on the basis that you will serve the nation? With NS?

 

A position that I would quite tactlessly say is b-------t.

 

Basically this is the price of being Singaporean. Not everything is quantifiable. If you are an able bodied male <21, this is the price you have to pay even if you hold the pink ic for a second.

 

Its not about education,healthcare or any other subsidy.

[Piyopico]

Zhang Junyi's parents Zhang Shaowei and Liang Jiali emigrated to Singapore in January 1996. They converted to Singapore citizenship, along with Zhang Junyi's 2 elder sisters. 2 months after gaining citizenship, they moved to Hongkong.

 

Zhang Junyi was borned in Hongkong 3 months after his family moved there. Subsequently, Zhang Junyi was granted Singapore citizenship the following Febraury. He lived in Hongkong until he returned to Singapore in 2005 at the age of 10 to study.

 

In August 2010, Zhang Junyi applied to Hongkong Department of Immigration to restore his Chinese citizenship. Although the Department accepted his application, it was conditional that he relinquishes his Singapore citizenship. 4 months later, Zhang Junyi notified the ICA of his intention to renouce his Singapore citizenship.

 

However. the ICA rejected his application, citing Section 1, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution that a citizen can only give up his citizenship when he is above 21 years old and that parents may not make such a decision for the child. The ICA also added that according to Section 2, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution, Zhang Junyi is obligated to complete his National Service as long as he remains a Singapore citizen.

 

 

His parents made that choice for him unwittingly or otherwise. Too bad for him fact of the matter is that he studied at a school funded by our taxpayers, probably visited a clinic or hospital funded by us and many other benefits.

 

Now the time has come for him to return the favour.

 

I hope you consider this too before you swap your pr-ship for a citizenship.

 

This is every singaporean's son's duty to the country

 

However. the ICA rejected his application, citing Section 1, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution that a citizen can only give up his citizenship when he is above 21 years old and that parents may not make such a decision for the child. The ICA also added that according to Section 2, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution, Zhang Junyi is obligated to complete his National Service as long as he remains a Singapore citizen.

 

This is as clear as you can get. In other words, must serve whatever is required of you before you reach 21.

 

You dun go to court and try to repeal our Constituition. Period.

 

 

 

 

[Cerano]

However. the ICA rejected his application, citing Section 1, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution that a citizen can only give up his citizenship when he is above 21 years old and that parents may not make such a decision for the child. The ICA also added that according to Section 2, Article 128 of the Singapore Constitution, Zhang Junyi is obligated to complete his National Service as long as he remains a Singapore citizen.

 

This is as clear as you can get. In other words, must serve whatever is required of you before you reach 21.

 

You dun go to court and try to repeal our Constituition. Period.

 

Exactly. But now Darryn is asking why must he pay back (even after sponging off all of us) since he's only a kid?

[Piyopico]

Exactly. But now Darryn is asking why must he pay back (even after sponging off all of us) since he's only a kid?

 

Because our Constituition say so. No need other reason. Kid or no kid.

[Darryn]

Exactly. But now Darryn is asking why must he pay back (even after sponging off all of us) since he's only a kid?

 

Kind of -

 

The question is really two fold -

1. What right does the Singapore govt have to stop him from taking up another citizenship?

2. If you say that he must "serve his debt" I would counter that it must be a debt that

a) he explicitly entered into

b) that is is a contract that he must be capable of understanding

This is pretty much predicated on the idea that no citizen is "buying" an education from their country, but that an education is provided to each and every citizen on the basis that it is in the general best interests of the community at large. If I am "buying" my education, via my NS, then why is there the sexist inequality of ladies not having to serve.

 

 

Sorry, I just feel that the idea of NS is a "return" on education doesn't hold water. NS is served in the interests of providing security, not in the interests of providing free labour in return for education.

[Scion]

you guys know what's the worst scenario?

 

perhaps in the end, this bugger will get what he wish for...

 

renounce his pink IC, siam NS and go back to HK happily

 

years later, he comes back as a valued foreigner and apply PR here and buy another flat

 

then his son siam NS, sells the flat for 2 millions (by then!) and return to HK

 

hahaha...

[Darryn]

you guys know what's the worst scenario?

 

perhaps in the end, this bugger will get what he wish for...

 

renounce his pink IC, siam NS and go back to HK happily

 

years later, he comes back as a valued foreigner and apply PR here and buy another flat

 

then his son siam NS, sells the flat for 2 millions (by then!) and return to HK

 

hahaha...

 

Heh - One of my ex-colleagues, his family run off to Australia when he was like 2 years old, they took up AU citizenship on his behalf, when he came back and tried to work here the govt wouldn't let him.

 

[Hiphiphoray]

Bro Darryn......

 

You must go through NS to understand what we are talking about.

 

In this entire thread from top to bottom, do you see any other person supporting your point ??????

 

NONE........and there will not be any!!! That i can quarantee you.

 

Obviously the kid's parents is trying to pull a fast one. Why obtain pink ic for his son when they jolly well know his son MUST serve NS eventually.

 

And suddenly at the 11th hour wana pull out ?

 

Why only the son and not the whole family ???????? Trying to find loop holes ?

 

 

 

Kind of -

 

The question is really two fold -

1. What right does the Singapore govt have to stop him from taking up another citizenship?

2. If you say that he must "serve his debt" I would counter that it must be a debt that

a) he explicitly entered into

b) that is is a contract that he must be capable of understanding

This is pretty much predicated on the idea that no citizen is "buying" an education from their country, but that an education is provided to each and every citizen on the basis that it is in the general best interests of the community at large. If I am "buying" my education, via my NS, then why is there the sexist inequality of ladies not having to serve.

 

 

Sorry, I just feel that the idea of NS is a "return" on education doesn't hold water. NS is served in the interests of providing security, not in the interests of providing free labour in return for education.

 

[Darryn]

Bro Darryn......

 

You must go through NS to understand what we are talking about.

 

In this entire thread from top to bottom, do you see any other person supporting your point ??????

 

NONE........and there will not be any!!! That i can quarantee you.

 

Obviously the kid's parents is trying to pull a fast one. Why obtain pink ic for his son when they jolly well know his son MUST serve NS eventually.

 

And suddenly at the 11th hour wana pull out ?

 

Why only the son and not the whole family ???????? Trying to find loop holes ?

 

Que sera sera -

 

Perhaps they dun wanna become chinese citizens when he does?

 

I have different ideas to you, so what?

 

is what makes the world an interesting place to live -

 

I don't agree with the govt actions in this instance, you do - what we do here is chit chat and exchange ideas, and hopefully we each go away stronger for it.

[Hiphiphoray]

I have a cousin whom suffer the same fate.

 

Cant work in spore no matter what.

 

Heh - One of my ex-colleagues, his family run off to Australia when he was like 2 years old, they took up AU citizenship on his behalf, when he came back and tried to work here the govt wouldn't let him.

 

[Hiphiphoray]

Its ok.........just dont go protest in public and get into trouble.

 

Que sera sera -

 

Perhaps they dun wanna become chinese citizens when he does?

 

I have different ideas to you, so what?

 

is what makes the world an interesting place to live -

 

I don't agree with the govt actions in this instance, you do - what we do here is chit chat and exchange ideas, and hopefully we each go away stronger for it.

 

[Tjkbeluga]

Kind of -

 

The question is really two fold -

1. What right does the Singapore govt have to stop him from taking up another citizenship?

2. If you say that he must "serve his debt" I would counter that it must be a debt that

a) he explicitly entered into

b) that is is a contract that he must be capable of understanding

This is pretty much predicated on the idea that no citizen is "buying" an education from their country, but that an education is provided to each and every citizen on the basis that it is in the general best interests of the community at large. If I am "buying" my education, via my NS, then why is there the sexist inequality of ladies not having to serve.

 

 

Sorry, I just feel that the idea of NS is a "return" on education doesn't hold water. NS is served in the interests of providing security, not in the interests of providing free labour in return for education.

You can reason in whatever way you want but the fact remains that, his father know damn well this will happen before taking up the citizenship. It's not hidden. Neither anyone force his father to take up citizenship. So, why bang the gahmen? Go bang his own damn laupeh laa....

Edited December 2, 2011 by Tjkbeluga

[Mustank]

if CN mandates its male citizens to do ns in their PLA, you see whether this ah gua still wanna migrate to CN or not

 

he will be begging to report for armour mono intake immediately!

[Mllcg]

You can reason in whatever way you want but the fact remains that, his father know damn well this will happen before taking up the citizenship. It's not hidden. Neither anyone force his father to take up citizenship. So, why bang the gahmen? Go bang his own damn laupeh laa....

 

dont forget.

 

in 1996 when his father took up citizenship, the rules were not that tight yet.

 

now cannot screw around le. all loopholes covered