The Strenght of America vs the strenght of China

[Cerano]

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From what i had remembered, the Afghanistan's Mujahideen had the support of the CIA when the Soviets try to invade them. Those days, the Mujahideen are known as the "Freedom Fighters", nowadays they are simply known as "Insurgents" or "Terrorists". Its ironic how the US always has the power to manipulate world-wide media to change the world's opinions on the same group of people.

 

Regardless of how supreme the US military is, this is a country which is governed by self-serving idiots with a facade of upholding freedom and democracy.

 

Everytime i watch independence day or air force one i feel like becoming an american

[Scion]

An independent nation will gain membership in the UN. Is Taiwan a member of UN?

 

er.. actually no

South Korea joined UN in 1991 and Switzerland as recent as 2002, 57 years after UN was formed

but that's for different reasons

[Scion]

Regardless of how supreme the US military is, this is a country which is governed by self-serving idiots with a facade of upholding freedom and democracy.

 

i dun care their politics, but the internal fight among Democrats and Republicans over the debt ceiling, taxes, austerity cuts, fiscal policies are plain stupid and selfish

 

they are putting their political and self interest over the future of their country (and the world too)

[Without_a_car]

From what i had remembered, the Afghanistan's Mujahideen had the support of the CIA when the Soviets try to invade them. Those days, the Mujahideen are known as the "Freedom Fighters", nowadays they are simply known as "Insurgents" or "Terrorists". Its ironic how the US always has the power to manipulate world-wide media to change the world's opinions on the same group of people.

 

Regardless of how supreme the US military is, this is a country which is governed by self-serving idiots with a facade of upholding freedom and democracy.

 

Today's freedom fighter, tomorrow's terrorist?

 

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

 

Don't forget CIA trained, equipped, armed, and financed the Mujahadeen during the Soviet Afghan war. I think they are best students the CIA ever trained.

 

Edited December 2, 2011 by Without_a_car

[Dfx16]

I was attached to Taiwan in the 90's during the height of the cross strait live fire exercise when china intentionaly fire toward taiwan

Remember that time i was attached with the Taiwan Navy Commando

I saw live those Taiwan commando training no word for me to describe compared to local training

Almost everyday all young Navy commando live in fear

I spoken to most of them as we were deploy together

All of them told me they wouldnt want fight this war if it ever break out

They would surrender upon face to face with the PRC

 

Dont misunderstand me

It only so happened that my unit was deploy there for oversea exercise

I wouldnt want fight any war let alone that's their problem

[Happily1986]

I think the PLAN's solution to USN supremacy is the use of submarines to hunt down carrier groups. Ton for ton, submarines offer the cheapest option to building a full fledge blue water navy. Are the Chinese submarines effective, that I am not too sure.

 

so you are saying that the Chinese does have plans to have blue water navy capabilities? Acquiring killer subs as main offensive capability almost make it seem like they were going down the route of the Kriegsmarine. i feel that strictly speaking, having aircraft carriers with a full fledged aircraft battle support group(s) is the one true hallmark of a blue water navy.

[Without_a_car]

so you are saying that the Chinese does have plans to have blue water navy capabilities? Acquiring killer subs as main offensive capability almost make it seem like they were going down the route of the Kriegsmarine. i feel that strictly speaking, having aircraft carriers with a full fledged aircraft battle support group(s) is the one true hallmark of a blue water navy.

 

I think it very much depends what lessons they learn from the sea trials of their carrier. As for now, submarines are the most cost effective platform to counter the USN.

 

It's the wet dreams of Admirals to have carrier groups, but not many countries can afford them.

[Scion]

I was attached to Taiwan in the 90's during the height of the cross strait live fire exercise when china intentionaly fire toward taiwan

Remember that time i was attached with the Taiwan Navy Commando

I saw live those Taiwan commando training no word for me to describe compared to local training

Almost everyday all young Navy commando live in fear

I spoken to most of them as we were deploy together

All of them told me they wouldnt want fight this war if it ever break out

They would surrender upon face to face with the PRC

 

Dont misunderstand me

It only so happened that my unit was deploy there for oversea exercise

I wouldnt want fight any war let alone that's their problem

 

i was in TW in the early 2000s on biz trips

was talking to my young TW colleagues and they were generally pessimistic abt their futures

cos they knew they won't win China in times of war, and their stagnant economy was overtaken by China (TW was one of the 4 litttle Asian tigers in the eighties/nineties)

 

quite sad actually

 

[Lethalstrike]

Everytime i watch independence day or air force one i feel like becoming an american

 

Yeah. Or watch Iron Man and Captain America, all are American propaganda which has been fed through the masses via mainstream media.

[Lethalstrike]

Today's freedom fighter, tomorrow's terrorist?

 

Damn right about that.

 

In fact, the US politicians are no different from the guy in avatar. End of the day, its still all about serving self-interests.

 

The only difference is how you do it. Democracy or Totalitarian, take your pick.

[Cerano]

Nevertheless,

 

Americans represent what good that's left in the world.

 

They understand whats true freedom.

 

China doesnt

[Mllcg]

An independent nation will gain membership in the UN. Is Taiwan a member of UN?

 

arent they?

[Without_a_car]

Nevertheless,

 

Americans represent what good that's left in the world.

 

They understand whats true freedom.

 

China doesnt

 

 

I suggest you read this book: What Uncle Sam Really wants

By Noam Chomsky

http://books.zcommunications.org/chomsky/sam/sam-1-1.html

[Viceroymenthol]

Nevertheless,

 

Americans represent what good that's left in the world.

 

They understand whats true freedom.

 

China doesnt

 

 

Brainwashed much?

 

Dude. I studied there for 4 years. Had a lot of american as well as international friends.

 

Now I make it a point to fly to the USA every year for at least 3 weeks.

 

I think i know a lot more about the US than you think you do.

 

You come across as even more deluded about the USA than some rednecks. And you know you're just a yellow fellow, slant eyes and all. well that's how they see you. Chink! [laugh]

 

What a deluded fool chink you are!

Edited December 2, 2011 by Viceroymenthol

[Viceroymenthol]

Nevertheless,

 

Americans represent what good that's left in the world.

 

They understand whats true freedom.

 

China doesnt

 

They understand what true freedom is.

 

Sadly, the Dems don't. Neither do the neo-Cons. The American govt has come a long way from true freedom.

 

Talk to the people and they'll tell you what they think of the fcuking govt.

 

More and more americans are moving to rural areas and joining militias, owning their own fiefdoms. To them, the US govt represents anything but freedom and honesty. Only sad third world fcuks like you and the Filipinos still believe in the USA's advertising and promotion.

 

The level of trust ordinary americans have for their own govt has plummeted after reagan left office.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee, boy

Edited December 2, 2011 by Viceroymenthol

[1fast1]

Nevertheless,

 

Americans represent what good that's left in the world.

 

They understand whats true freedom.

 

China doesnt

 

True freedom? You have GOT to be sh*tting me.

 

True freedom e.g. #1? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone

 

True freedom e.g. #2? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary...e_United_States

 

True freedom e.g. #3? : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_coup_of_1973

 

In the last example, the US actually deposed a democratically-elected socialist yet peaceful regime to install a brutal puppet dictator who tortured and murdered multitudes of his own people.

 

Do you really want me to go over what the US has done in the Middle East? How about capitalising on the post-9/11 hysteria and concocting that WMD story for a pretext to invade Iraq? A country that had almost NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks.

 

There was a time when I was as naive as you. When I held the US to be the standard bearer of freedom and democracy.

 

Not any more. I see the US for what it is - a bloated, ruthless, hypocritical plutocracy. Nothing is what it seems, and I won't dismiss even the silliest-sounding conspiracy theories outright (even the ones that allege the US had a hand in either causing or not actively preventing 9/11 in order to further its own geopolitical and economic agenda).

 

Please get the stars (and stripes) out of your eyes. I, too, enjoy those great American blockbusters, and I've been an avid reader of Tom Clancy's output. But I know now that all those things are just glitzy propaganda and should be taken with more than a grain of salt.

 

Just because China are the bad guys (and they definitely have the potential to be very, very bad) doesn't make the US the good guys. In life, unlike fairy tales, there are often no good guys.

[Cerano]

The ideals that they fight for or appear to fight for are still in essence good.

 

Unlike the Chinese.

 

Nuff said.

 

Iraq had been a long time coming with its defiance of american power. It got its just desserts. So will any country that defies american might

[1fast1]

The ideals that they fight for or appear to fight for are still in essence good.

 

Unlike the Chinese.

 

Nuff said.

 

Iraq had been a long time coming with its defiance of american power. It got its just desserts. So will any country that defies american might

 

Might does not make right.

 

And there are ways to depose a giant. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. And here, I'm going to say "'nuff said" because I actually have a good idea of the NSA's capabilities in monitoring global chatter and traffic.