Giving up my son's Singapore Passport

[Badder]

So who should we believe ? Ch5 news and Strait Times since everything that is disscuss in this forum is not true . The only true is FTs create jobs for us . Something like our maid create job for us , otherwise we were not able to go to work daily .

 

Actually you should conduct a simple experiment :- Get CH5 news reporter to go to the street to get polls how they think FTs create jobs for Singaporean . Another set of polls here in MCF to see how many agree / disagree . The result is : Ch5 reporter will write something their master wish to hear and hide those negative comments they get . Most probably MFC will give a more acurate ground report .

i think only way is to listen and read everything, look at all the data then decide what you think is true. the danger lies in only listening to one voice. Personally i think social networking media should be left just for that - and not used for political means - but thats quite unrealistic i suspect.

 

 

 

 

For me I think what I read in MFC is more credible than those Strait Times / Ch5 news . But you think all our views are rubbish ?

no all, just most, and thats only because those ones are based on factual errors.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2011 by Badder

[Badder]

So who should we believe ?

 

 

remember Ronald Reagans famous saying "trust but verify"

 

 

 

- if someone tells you nobody can afford to buy a house - check the independant transaction data and poperty market info, home ownership rates

 

- if someone tells you FTs are taking our jobs - check the employment stats, the number of new jobs created verses the pop increase

 

- if someone tells you wages are dropping - check the salary stats

 

-f someone tells you that they can get 28km/l then they are just full of sh1t

 

 

Edited November 28, 2011 by Badder

[KARTer]

i think only way is to listen and read everything, look at all the data then decide what you think is true. the danger lies in only listening to one voice. Personally i think social networking media should be left just for that - and not used for political means - but thats quite unrealistic i suspect.

 

For me I think what I read in MFC is more credible than those Strait Times / Ch5 news . But you think all our views are rubbish ?

no all, just most, and thats only because those ones are based on factual errors.

You should know surveys / data etc are not 100% trustworthy but you seem to have absolute faith in them..... politicians are what they are, they can generate 'facts/data' to say what they want to.

 

The recent GE showed that the feedbacks miw got from their own 'grassroot' channels were far from representative of the actual ground situations. Sadly many of their policies have been based on such 'accurate' readings of the ground.

[KARTer]

remember Ronald Reagans famous saying "trust but verify"

 

- if someone tells you nobody can afford to buy a house - check the independant transaction data and poperty market info, home ownership rates

 

- if someone tells you FTs are taking our jobs - check the employment stats, the number of new jobs created verses the pop increase

 

- if someone tells you wages are dropping - check the salary stats

 

-f someone tells you that they can get 28km/l then they are just full of sh1t

Burrying oneself in heaps and heaps of data is not the same as walking the streets, heartlands, and actually talk to the folks..... you may need to get out and do this more often...........

[Kiadaw]

Anatomy of an FT/PAP thread.

 

1) Someone posted a thread on FT (for the n time)

2) some people commented

3) then Badder comes in....

4) Pop your Chips or Popcorn, & a soda.

 

 

 

[KARTer]

This line alone exemplifies why Sg is the best place for you given your mindset.

 

What you said is absolutely right, and also absolutely irrelevant. What you should be asking is: is it really that important to be a millionaire in OZ to have a contented life? And even if one is a millionaire in Sg (they're a dime a dozen, to be honest), is one ever really as contented?

 

So while Sg may be the best for you until and unless you rethink your priorities, the same may not hold true for someone else.

Cant disagree with what you said.

 

There are many aussies (or pple in other countries, including here) who know life is not just about making millions. While its is not wrong to aspire to be a millionaire (yes, there are many millionaires here, proportionally as compared with many other countries), and also not wrong to choose his country based on whether it offers him the opportunities to become one, i think there are many other more worthy / meaningful (maybe there's a better term to use here?) things to pursue in life.

[KARTer]

eh.. we're not first class here leh.

 

First crass - 超 级 白

2nd crass - FT

No class - mere mortals.

LOL.......... i will tell them "Broken Bridge" ...... (in hokkien / mandarin)

[Kiadaw]

Cant disagree with what you said.

 

There are many aussies (or pple in other countries, including here) who know life is not just about making millions. While its is not wrong to aspire to be a millionaire (yes, there are many millionaires here, proportionally as compared with many other countries), and also not wrong to choose his country based on whether it offers him the opportunities to become one, i think there are many other more worthy / meaningful (maybe there's a better term to use here?) things to pursue in life.

 

You are right. In Sunny Singapore, as in many typical Eastern Asia countries mindset; more money means more happiness, more pride, more "sai bin".

 

When I was young, I also like many Singaporeans here, dream making big money, live in mansion, among being a rock star, driving fast cars, & dating supermodels, girl band members or TV presenters, you known the usual stuff.

 

Now I prefer a small house that I can handle pretty much myself (instead of maids), do some stupid mods on beat up cars in the garage, building playhouse for kids. In fact, that's what one of my colleague is doing. She is building a small house for her little boy beside her house she just bought. I ask if she did it by herself, she said yes, without any emotion. That's what keeps her busy.

 

I rather get pay less, but work less hours so I have time for the kids & family, & doing my hobbies, instead of slotting at work til late, & hardly have time for the kids or even themselves.

 

 

[Badder]

Burrying oneself in heaps and heaps of data is not the same as walking the streets, heartlands, and actually talk to the folks..... you may need to get out and do this more often...........

 

 

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the unemployment rate ?

 

 

 

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the home ownership rates?

 

 

 

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the crime rates?

 

 

 

 

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the quality and cost of our healthcare?

 

NOPE

 

 

 

The fact is all this data is automatically collected from all the people BY the people.

 

Its also rather moronic to automatically assume someone who bothers to read the data, stats and reports automatically isnt in touch with whats happening on the streets.

 

 

You think read nothing but have a good chat with the lady who cleans your table at a hougang hawker.

Yeah very effective way to get a full view.

 

 

[Badder]

You should know surveys / data etc are not 100% trustworthy but you seem to have absolute faith in them..... politicians are what they are, they can generate 'facts/data' to say what they want to.

 

The recent GE showed that the feedbacks miw got from their own 'grassroot' channels were far from representative of the actual ground situations. Sadly many of their policies have been based on such 'accurate' readings of the ground.

 

 

More a--umptions.

 

You a--ume I have 100% faith in anything

 

 

Can you read?

 

 

"Trust but verify" "see everything then decide" I just got through saying you have to look at all data abd all reports, talk to everyone, read what everyone says, see with your own eyes THEN decide for yourself what the truth is AFTER you have all the info.

 

 

 

Nothing is 100% but if you think talking to people on MCF is better quality data than gov repotts and independent surveys then you go ahead and believe that....but please dont vote k?

 

 

 

[Badder]

So who should we believe ? Ch5 news and Strait Times since everything that is disscuss in this forum is not true . The only true is FTs create jobs for us . Something like our maid create job for us , otherwise we were not able to go to work daily .

 

Actually you should conduct a simple experiment :- Get CH5 news reporter to go to the street to get polls how they think FTs create jobs for Singaporean . Another set of polls here in MCF to see how many agree / disagree . The result is : Ch5 reporter will write something their master wish to hear and hide those negative comments they get . Most probably MFC will give a more acurate ground report .

 

For me I think what I read in MFC is more credible than those Strait Times / Ch5 news . But you think all our views are rubbish ?

 

 

you make my poiny exactly.

 

 

The average unwashed heartlander has NO IDEA about economics and NO IDEA about how FTs fit into it.

 

 

You yourself just dismissed maids as NOT helping to create jobs - But your wrong,

 

A maid enables the wife to go to work. The maid enables famiies to have more little singaporeans. The maid helps singapore economy.

 

 

 

opinion is often biased or only reflects a certain subset so doesnt capture the truth, or captures only that subsets idea of whats going on.

 

 

Because the average heartlander has NO IDEA about economy and the need for FTs they just want them all to die and go away.

 

 

You trust MCF but when most here have NO IDEA about the things they are moaning about then the info is wrong. (Just like you moaning about maids)

 

 

Look at the source then look at the data/opinon and decide not only if the data is bias but of the source actually knows what its talking about.

 

 

also theres data and theirs opinon. On MCF you read only OPINION unsupported by data unless im posting then you get opinon supported by data the former is worthless.

Edited November 29, 2011 by Badder

[KARTer]

You are right. In Sunny Singapore, as in many typical Eastern Asia countries mindset; more money means more happiness, more pride, more "sai bin".

 

When I was young, I also like many Singaporeans here, dream making big money, live in mansion, among being a rock star, driving fast cars, & dating supermodels, girl band members or TV presenters, you known the usual stuff.

 

Now I prefer a small house that I can handle pretty much myself (instead of maids), do some stupid mods on beat up cars in the garage, building playhouse for kids. In fact, that's what one of my colleague is doing. She is building a small house for her little boy beside her house she just bought. I ask if she did it by herself, she said yes, without any emotion. That's what keeps her busy.

 

I rather get pay less, but work less hours so I have time for the kids & family, & doing my hobbies, instead of slotting at work til late, & hardly have time for the kids or even themselves.

And without being a billionaire a person and his family can till live a financially secured life with careful planning and money/time/emotion/priorities management..... our bro who chooses his country based on opportunity to become a millionaire may be missing lots of valuable things in life, but its his choice and so let him choose what he likes....

[KARTer]

you make my poiny exactly. The average unwashed heartlander has NO IDEA about economics and NO IDEA about how FTs fit into it.

and those who do, or think / claim they do know, sometimes screw things up big time....

 

You yourself just dismissed maids as NOT helping to create jobs - But your wrong, A maid enables the wife to go to work. The maid enables famiies to have more little singaporeans. The maid helps singapore economy.

no issues with this in general

 

opinion is often biased or only reflects a certain subset so doesnt capture the truth, or captures only that subsets idea of whats going on.

this is mutual for both camps/sides....biased opinions exist everywhere and worse is one side keesp saying the other is so when itself is guilty of the same

 

Because the average heartlander has NO IDEA about economy and the need for FTs they just want them all to die and go away.

most likely this is a sweeping statement

 

You trust MCF but when most here have NO IDEA about the things they are moaning about then the info is wrong. (Just like you moaning about maids)

have those who claim they know provided good solutions??

 

Look at the source then look at the data/opinon and decide not only if the data is bias but of the source actually knows what its talking about.

also theres data and theirs opinon. On MCF you read only OPINION unsupported by data unless im posting then you get opinon supported by data the former is worthless.

again, 'complete' trust in datas and statistics...and sometimes propogandas

 

you seem to take all things from commercial/bottomline perspective which is not entirely wrong but neither should it be the only perspective.... a nation is not just a money making machine

Edited November 29, 2011 by KARTer

[KARTer]

"Trust but verify" "see everything then decide" I just got through saying you have to look at all data abd all reports, talk to everyone, read what everyone says, see with your own eyes THEN decide for yourself what the truth is AFTER you have all the info.

without going to the grounds, your 'verifying efforts' is just as good as the datas.... when was the last time you mixed with the peasants and find out more?

 

 

Nothing is 100% but if you think talking to people on MCF is better quality data than gov repotts and independent surveys then you go ahead and believe that....but please dont vote k?

if you choose to limit your exposure to MCF only, i got nothing to say, get out more please......go to the heartlands (in sgp, not jap etc)

Edited November 29, 2011 by KARTer

[KARTer]

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the unemployment rate ?

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the home ownership rates?

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the crime rates?

If i walk around heartlands talking to folk will that change the quality and cost of our healthcare?

NOPE

 

at least you will get a sense of reality, and will be outside the ivory/elitist tower built with datas n stats...also, you replied to my suggestion with a side-tracking but irrelevant quesiton, i am very sure you can do better that this... are you adverse to mixing with the peasants?

 

 

The fact is all this data is automatically collected from all the people BY the people.

Its also rather moronic to automatically assume someone who bothers to read the data, stats and reports automatically isnt in touch with whats happening on the streets.

do share with us what the peasants told you ............. as 'advised' by you the need to verify, we need to verify at least which heartlands you were at when you spoke to the peasants

 

 

You think read nothing but have a good chat with the lady who cleans your table at a hougang hawker.

Yeah very effective way to get a full view.

read + talking to the peasants, is it too 'low' for you to do the second part? i am sure i am not the only who do both, but you seem to be hesitant about doing the latter

Edited November 29, 2011 by KARTer

[Wishcumstrue]

if you think about it logically

 

he is not a loser bUT a smart one

get other losers to protect his son

 

If you think in hereditary terms, the father is passing on the same gene to his son.

 

A smart gene will post question to the appropriate authorities instead of on Asiaone Forum..

So is if this father is indeed a "smart" one, he should have sent his son far far away from Singapore when he was an infant.

Now, he and his wife still wanna keep SGP passport?

So can we say his is logically smart, but genetically inferior knowing that his son is not up to demand of NS?

 

 

 

 

[Wishcumstrue]

When I was young, I also like many Singaporeans here, dream making big money, live in mansion, among being a rock star, driving fast cars, & dating supermodels, girl band members or TV presenters, you known the usual stuff.....

....

I rather get pay less, but work less hours so I have time for the kids & family, & doing my hobbies, instead of slotting at work til late, & hardly have time for the kids or even themselves.

Notice the 2 part of life you just described?

 

It's called "priority". And it changes throughout one's life time.

 

Not everyone love fast cars and being rich and famous.

Not everyone prefer the family-life.

But everyone love to have a good-life. But life is no Free-Lunch.

 

That one, I do know is to have a good-life, one need to have some sacrifices...like not running away from one's duty.

 

The father, who wants the best of both worlds, is avoiding that duty.

 

So will he have a good life in other lands without NS?