In the Army who is more senior.....

[13177]

now its the in-thing ... to promote WOs to the rank of majors so they become commissioned officers ... but at the same time lose a tiny bit of power.

I would think those warrant officer would rather remain as warrant than promote to commissioned officer. Cause senior warrant is still better than a 2LT officer. Imagine he already at the senior warrant level, age should be already quite "old", getting a 2LT rank like demoted.

[Gizmore]

Yes, if the NCO holds appointment as OC, as with SWO with OC appointment, and the 1LT is just a PC.

 

True. But it is very rare that the OC is a Snr non-commissioned officer and the officers below him are jnr commissioned-officers today. I believe unit commanders have planned their estab to avoid this.

 

Usually when the OC is non-commissioned officer, the staff below him are the jnr commanders like 1SGT and above. Also, non-commissioned officer holding the position of OCs are usually in army training institute.

[Gizmore]

I would think those warrant officer would rather remain as warrant than promote to commissioned officer. Cause senior warrant is still better than a 2LT officer. Imagine he already at the senior warrant level, age should be already quite "old", getting a 2LT rank like demoted.

 

 

To be honest, I have not see or know of any SWO converting to commissioned officers. Those who wanted to become commissioned officers would have done so during their jnr years when they are 1SGT or SSG.

[Mazdaowner]

True. But it is very rare that the OC is a Snr non-commissioned officer and the officers below him are jnr commissioned-officers today. I believe unit commanders have planned their estab to avoid this.

 

Usually when the OC is non-commissioned officer, the staff below him are the jnr commanders like 1SGT and above. Also, non-commissioned officer holding the position of OCs are usually in army training institute.

 

There are such, specially in specific units where the officer needs to learn command and control in

situations. The officer will be "under training" with a lower appointment, while the SNCO will assume all

officer duties, giving out the orders, briefings etc.

[Mazdaowner]

To be honest, I have not see or know of any SWO converting to commissioned officers. Those who wanted to become commissioned officers would have done so during their jnr years when they are 1SGT or SSG.

 

It would be totally pointless at such an advance stage to jump to a junior rank.

[Scion]

I would think those warrant officer would rather remain as warrant than promote to commissioned officer. Cause senior warrant is still better than a 2LT officer. Imagine he already at the senior warrant level, age should be already quite "old", getting a 2LT rank like demoted.

 

 

nope... a SWO would be converted directly to a captain or major instead of a 2LT

[Acieed]

If you have ever went for U/C training in an active unit, everybody including occifers will kenna knock it down by the NCO instructors loh. Some of them are 3SG only.

Edited September 20, 2011 by Acieed

[Shull]

To be honest, I have not see or know of any SWO converting to commissioned officers. Those who wanted to become commissioned officers would have done so during their jnr years when they are 1SGT or SSG.

 

If i'm not wrong, MWO or SWO, if they choose to convert to Commisioned Officer, they'll get the rank of CPT.. Which i think most will not want to take..

Edited September 20, 2011 by Shull

[Vega]

If you have ever went for U/C training in an active unit, everybody including occifers will kenna knock it down by the NCO instructors loh. Some of them are 3SG only.

 

In my unit, the unarmed combat instructor is a lcp. He can even knock it down a Maj.

[Donut]

We must always rem that officers are commissioned by our SG President. This is the highest order given. So all non commissioned ranks must respect it, in a formal command structure.

 

Even if SAF wants to demote or dishonorably discharge an officer, the President must approve first.

 

I just watch Battle LA movie on a plane. Not a very good show actually. The usual old same style with predictable ending.

 

But what I like is the part where the rookie officer PC, fresh out of cadet school, became panic and in a daze, don't know what to do or give command, after losing 3 men.

 

The ever experienced staff sergeant Lao jiao told him: "Sir, I don't care you want to go left or right. Just give us the order. We will follow!"

 

The Lao jiao staff sergeant never doubt the officer and willing to follow to take order.

 

This is want I called proper respect to the rank and appointment.

[13177]

nope... a SWO would be converted directly to a captain or major instead of a 2LT

I thought if according to the level of ranks, after SWO should go to 2LT?! If SWO promote to commissioned officer and the rank will be CPT or above, then i think the SWO should move up instead of staying in warrant officer level.

[Redstorm]

If i'm not wrong, MWO or SWO, if they choose to convert to Commisioned Officer, they'll get the rank of CPT.. Which i think most will not want to take..

 

The reason why they implemented the ranks of MWO and SWO was because many deserving WOs did not want to gain direct commission. They would rather remain as WOs. Imagine, as a WO, you are the King of the s--t and when they gain direct commision, they are only a CPT and to them it is like a s--t of the King. With the ranks of MWO and SWO, their job scopes are equivalent to that of CPTs and MAJs and they continue to enjoy the status of a WO.

 

[Alg]

SAFAB School OIC SWO LEE? Cowboy? Ring a bell?

 

To him, simi si commissioned officer.....

[Shull]

I thought if according to the level of ranks, after SWO should go to 2LT?! If SWO promote to commissioned officer and the rank will be CPT or above, then i think the SWO should move up instead of staying in warrant officer level.

 

There are much more (in terms of absolute numbers) CPT than MWO/SWO rank..

 

And the MWO/SWO rank send more fear into rank/file soldier than a CPT rank..

[Delrosa81]

at my ex unit, the new bird 2lt gana scolded by nco in front of men but , the kuku 2lt still say yes sir to nco

 

 

no matter how kuku the 2lt, the nco should NEVER scold the 2lt in front of the men.

Anyways NCO always have problems with commissioned officers. NCO always feel they are better than Officers. They feel officers are elitists and dunno how to do their work properly. This is what I have always seen and heard from my NSF times. I have seen CSMs talking to all the specialists complaining about the individual platoon PCs or OCs, COs, etc. Complaining that officer this la, that la, etc.

 

Anyways I feel regardless of what the individual think, they should always give the basic respect of another person who is of a higher rank or appointment.

[Old-driver]

If i'm not wrong, MWO or SWO, if they choose to convert to Commisioned Officer, they'll get the rank of CPT.. Which i think most will not want to take..

Agree. Captains are aplenty and considered junior..

[Merkava]

There are much more (in terms of absolute numbers) CPT than MWO/SWO rank..

 

And the MWO/SWO rank send more fear into rank/file soldier than a CPT rank..

 

Anyone from School Of Armour will know SWO Seah? He didnt convert to Major when given a chance to do so...

[VenomMX]

But what I like is the part where the rookie officer PC, fresh out of cadet school, became panic and in a daze, don't know what to do or give command, after losing 3 men.

 

The ever experienced staff sergeant Lao jiao told him: "Sir, I don't care you want to go left or right. Just give us the order. We will follow!"

 

The Lao jiao staff sergeant never doubt the officer and willing to follow to take order.

 

Yup correct but a few moments after that, the rookie officer assumed his previous OCT (officer cadet trainee) rank, so that the lao jiao SSG can assume command

 

This is want I called proper respect to the rank and appointment.

 

Correct but moments after, the rookie PC reverted to his previous rank of OCT, (officer cadet trainee), so that the lao jiao SSG can assume command

Edited September 20, 2011 by VenomMX