Mindbox33 1st Gear September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Hi... Wouls like to seek advises.. Me on stock suspension n 16' tyres. Will installing 4 pts front lower brace n anti roll bar helps in stability?? Ur advises much appreciated. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhtfhwlego Supercharged September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 What is your BHP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindbox33 1st Gear September 14, 2011 Author Share September 14, 2011 121bhp onli.. Avante Cheap thrill or save e $$? One seller selling both at 100+ for both so tot can try to see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Clutched September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 May not be that cheap a thrill if you factor in labour charge FYI, labour not cheap to install front ARB becoz( for some cars ) you need to remove front cross-member to install, after that still have to do alignment. Labour plus alignment easily about $100 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangadrool Supersonic September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Avante handling is pretty decent in stock form. Go for reputable progressive sports springs if you something firmer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhtfhwlego Supercharged September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Myth: Adding these bars will improve handling FACT: If that your car understeers, front bars will help. If that your car understeers and you add rear bars, it will understeer more. Base on my experience with minimum cost to improve handling: Tyres - Get a better one Air pressure: Get it right and always check weekly. Alignment: To improve alot on handling, set a more aggressive camber (for my MPV, I set it like how WRX drivers would). The trade off would be higher tyre wear. Then after these, depending where you want to improve then mod accordingly. If that car still understeer, add front bar. If that you dont want the tyre wear, add front bar. BUT, what is your annual mileage per year? Some travel only 20K per year and use a good tyre. Before it worn out, they have to change the tyre due to age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Clutched September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Myth: Adding these bars will improve handling FACT: If that your car understeers, front bars will help. If that your car understeers and you add rear bars, it will understeer more. Base on my experience with minimum cost to improve handling: Tyres - Get a better one Air pressure: Get it right and always check weekly. Alignment: To improve alot on handling, set a more aggressive camber (for my MPV, I set it like how WRX drivers would). The trade off would be higher tyre wear. Then after these, depending where you want to improve then mod accordingly. If that car still understeer, add front bar. If that you dont want the tyre wear, add front bar. BUT, what is your annual mileage per year? Some travel only 20K per year and use a good tyre. Before it worn out, they have to change the tyre due to age. Adding front bars will increase understeer. Stiffening the rear with bars will increase oversteer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vhtfhwlego Supercharged September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Adding front bars will increase understeer. Stiffening the rear with bars will increase oversteer opps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcruizer Neutral Newbie September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Hmm? I thought adding front struts will reduce understeer? Front struts reduces chassis flex of the front bulk of the car and thus results in better steering response, no? Please enlighten me. Anyway, when I was driving a Lancer GLX, a front strut bar didn't give me any significant difference. Steering felt more precise only after I complimented the front struts with a lower 4 points brace. Bodyroll was still as pronounced though. Not sure if it's a placebo effect but I believe car manufacturers didn't install these bars in sportscars for nothing. Adding front bars will increase understeer. Stiffening the rear with bars will increase oversteer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedream 3rd Gear September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Hmm? I thought adding front struts will reduce understeer? Front struts reduces chassis flex of the front bulk of the car and thus results in better steering response, no? Please enlighten me. Anyway, when I was driving a Lancer GLX, a front strut bar didn't give me any significant difference. Steering felt more precise only after I complimented the front struts with a lower 4 points brace. Bodyroll was still as pronounced though. Not sure if it's a placebo effect but I believe car manufacturers didn't install these bars in sportscars for nothing. they were discussing anti-roll bars, not strut bars. I agree with Pitbull's advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigershark1976 Turbocharged September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 May not be that cheap a thrill if you factor in labour charge FYI, labour not cheap to install front ARB becoz( for some cars ) you need to remove front cross-member to install, after that still have to do alignment. Labour plus alignment easily about $100 not too sure which model u r refering to but my vios ARB was diyed.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanevomax 1st Gear September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 putting more bars is good for handling but beware that comfort feeling of the saloon car will exchanged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Clutched September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Hmm? I thought adding front struts will reduce understeer? Front struts reduces chassis flex of the front bulk of the car and thus results in better steering response, no? Please enlighten me. Anyway, when I was driving a Lancer GLX, a front strut bar didn't give me any significant difference. Steering felt more precise only after I complimented the front struts with a lower 4 points brace. Bodyroll was still as pronounced though. Not sure if it's a placebo effect but I believe car manufacturers didn't install these bars in sportscars for nothing. Front tower strut reduce front chassis flex and thus gives you more traction, thats why you have better response. Anyway, you have to corner hard to really feel it, daily commute hardly can feel. Undercarriage struts gives "more feel". To reduce roll, you need ARB. Most cars are built to understeer as it's easier to control for most drivers compared to oversteer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Clutched September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 not too sure which model u r refering to but my vios ARB was diyed.... An example is Fit/Jazz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindbox33 1st Gear September 14, 2011 Author Share September 14, 2011 Actually to b more fairer to my question n to rest of bros who input their valuable advises...i tink i will try try at least once to feel it myself... At least i knw wat u guys trying to tell me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Clutched September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Actually to b more fairer to my question n to rest of bros who input their valuable advises...i tink i will try try at least once to feel it myself... At least i knw wat u guys trying to tell me... Yeah, just try it. You may like it. Hear say no point, try for yourself is the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcruizer Neutral Newbie September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 Ah, my bad. Didn't read properly. they were discussing anti-roll bars, not strut bars. I agree with Pitbull's advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigershark1976 Turbocharged September 14, 2011 Share September 14, 2011 An example is Fit/Jazz u sure fit/jazz is that complicated? or hear say only? [laugh] ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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