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[Joseph22]

a friend ran a recruitment ad for sales since 2 months ago.

 

according to her, based on almost 50 plus applications, only 5 are Singaporeans, rest all phinoys and mix of indian FT....

 

told her maybe yr end all wait for bonus.

 

she say singaporean asking sky high pay with no relevant experience and some phinoys and the indians FT, with experience, offer to take 20%-30% less than what the company is willing to give..

 

the company is offering 2.2-2.4k per month.

 

no wonder we are overrun. they are willing to accept less for more..........

 

 

they can claimed to have experience.. but are you sure they have??

 

my previous company hire alot of this type.. and guess what?? the company going to burst liao

[Yewheng]

i once conducted an interview for class 4 truck drivers.

 

there were a few who came in and asked for higher pay citing they had up to class 5 and even crane license.

 

my reply was i do not have a class 5 truck or crane for them to drive/operate.

 

experience and relevancy shud also be taken into consideration.

 

just becoz the press reported one lucky guy managed to score a $10k /mth job after graduating does not mean that all will get it. And from recent news, seems that big coys are downsizing/outsourcing and if people are still pointing their noses sky-high when looking for job now - good luck.

 

Ya not many people are just very lucky to straight away get high pay after grad.. or maybe these people have connections that's why can get high pay.. for normal people.. erm!!!

That's why I abit piss off when newspaper once wrote article of grad student get 10k/per month. I mean this only create impression to many young grad or those who still studying that they should give much higher pay scale of 2+k and if don't have can forget about the job.. than when they can't found job.. end up complain that no company want take them and blame on FT.

 

Perhaps some job scope really no local but a lot FT apply.. this must also look into why it is like that in the 1st place..

 

Sometimes it's not about starting pay.. maybe put it simple is about how the person perform that will reflects the pay scale.. if the person have no experience.. why would company want pay much higher to hire local grad as compared to FT who is willing to take much lower pay. I mean when successful in the job than can show how well one can perfrom and if the person perform very well.. can ask for pay rise also still possible.. One thing is to show company that the person is worth of hire and not just paper qualification.

Edited August 30, 2011 by Yewheng

[Chiongster]

a friend ran a recruitment ad for sales since 2 months ago.

 

according to her, based on almost 50 plus applications, only 5 are Singaporeans, rest all phinoys and mix of indian FT....

 

told her maybe yr end all wait for bonus.

 

she say singaporean asking sky high pay with no relevant experience and some phinoys and the indians FT, with experience, offer to take 20%-30% less than what the company is willing to give..

 

the company is offering 2.2-2.4k per month.

 

no wonder we are overrun. they are willing to accept less for more..........

 

 

Not only during this time when pple are waiting for yr end bonus - few mths back, I applied for a position also and was asked to go for an interview. So I went and the interviewer told me the same time. I.e. that they had floods of application but few that they can use cos those applied are mainly FTs and many not even from SG and from universities she(the interviewer) had not heard from....

 

I wonder for the future... haiz....

[Joseph22]

Not only during this time when pple are waiting for yr end bonus - few mths back, I applied for a position also and was asked to go for an interview. So I went and the interviewer told me the same time. I.e. that they had floods of application but few that they can use cos those applied are mainly FTs and many not even from SG and from universities she(the interviewer) had not heard from....

 

I wonder for the future... haiz....

you know the answer for this one

[Kiadaw]

Instead of reducing overheads like high cost of rental, transport and utilites, gahmen rather the workers pay be depressed to help business.

 

So if you are a property owners, you are laughing all the way to the bank with cheap labours all around.

 

Hey, isn't that what a 3rd world country would be ?

Who define the sky high rental cost? Who define the cost of new housing? r the goverment trying to say housing built using cheap labor is more expensive than the ones built in other high labor cost country like u.k, where developers actually have to pay for the land also?

 

Anyway this influx of ft is not sustainable due to our country size. After our country are completely fill, then what?

 

Also something to think about.

We pay so much to educators, many have tuitions for their kids, even classes & accessments during holiday. Some even soend a fortune to send their kids oversea to study, yet we cannot compete with others from third world countries with their local education? Or it's simply case of who is cheaper in most cases?

Now that's something our teacher never told us right?

 

Edited August 30, 2011 by Kiadaw

[Csnewbie]

Who define the sky high rental cost? Who define the cost of new housing? r the goverment trying to say housing built using cheap labor is more expensive than the ones built in other high labor cost country like u.k, where developers actually have to pay for the land also?

 

Anyway this influx of ft is not sustainable due to our country size. After our country are completely fill, then what?

hell follows.

[Skunk]

These FT have paid the ultimate price for earning salaries more than 10X back home. Their spouses are back home spending their money, fcking someone else. Their dog won't recognize them when they return home, not to mention their kids. If they have no spouse nor kids, they're likely to end up never having any. Oh, when their parents pass away, they can't be at their last moments.

 

If they wanna screw up their lives for money, go ahead! Lol

[Sosaria]

a friend ran a recruitment ad for sales since 2 months ago.

 

according to her, based on almost 50 plus applications, only 5 are Singaporeans, rest all phinoys and mix of indian FT....

 

told her maybe yr end all wait for bonus.

 

she say singaporean asking sky high pay with no relevant experience and some phinoys and the indians FT, with experience, offer to take 20%-30% less than what the company is willing to give..

 

the company is offering 2.2-2.4k per month.

 

no wonder we are overrun. they are willing to accept less for more..........

 

Well, word of warning to any employer who thinks about hiring FT cheaply. There is a reason why they are asking lower... Many of their qualifications, if not outright fake, are not up to par. A good example is what one of my frens told me about FT new hire who had a chemistry degree from his home country, but did not know basic lab procedures. Then when asked, admitted that their college back home did not run labs because lack of equipment or materials!

 

Many of these FT know that their degree from back home may not be so recognised here, which makes it more difficult to secure a good job initially. So their first priority is to "wash" their qualifications, i.e. get another qualification from university in singapore (that's why many FT sign up for those postgrad by coursework degrees here), or get a job first (even if have to accept lower pay) to strengthen their CV. The first job is essentially just a stepping stone.

 

 

[Ysc3]

Perhaps some job scope really no local but a lot FT apply.. this must also look into why it is like that in the 1st place..

 

Sometimes it's not about starting pay.. maybe put it simple is about how the person perform that will reflects the pay scale.. if the person have no experience.. why would company want pay much higher to hire local grad as compared to FT who is willing to take much lower pay. I mean when successful in the job than can show how well one can perfrom and if the person perform very well.. can ask for pay rise also still possible.. One thing is to show company that the person is worth of hire and not just paper qualification.

 

i am a very frank person ... even during interview, i can straight away tell the interviewee that i do not know him and his performance ... so naturally i will not pay a high starting salary .... but maybe just 1 grade higher max.

 

btw, people always like to complain about not getting this and not getting that. but if they were to get whatever they wanted, where would the source be ? some sucker local will have to end up carrying bag for the other local who thinks he DESERVES this and DESERVES that.

 

its just very very simple : demand and supply.

 

if my customer dun insist that my dept run 24/7, need i control my overtime ? need i make my staff work long hours ? need i employ foreign workers if the job is so relax that locals WANT to do it ? will I be able to save more operating costs to give to my staff at the end of the work year ? my boss did tell me that my dept is actually a "loss" incurring dept .... but we still have to do it as we are taking the whole business.

 

chinese saying : cannot just eat meat, also must take bone.

[Kb27]

These FT have paid the ultimate price for earning salaries more than 10X back home. Their spouses are back home spending their money, fcking someone else. Their dog won't recognize them when they return home, not to mention their kids. If they have no spouse nor kids, they're likely to end up never having any. Oh, when their parents pass away, they can't be at their last moments.

 

If they wanna screw up their lives for money, go ahead! Lol

After they earned the big bucks, if they are smart, they don't have to go home.

Wives, kids ? With big money, can fck around already.

[Sabian]

The situation is pretty bad last year. I think you guys are aware there are foreigners on social visit pass looking for jobs. I've tried to recruit a junior position. I have FTs with Masters degrees seeking the position, asking for 1500 p/m

Master degree from where? Uni of Timbuktu?

[Ahwhye]

20-30% lower than what company willing to give... Not 20-30% lower than sporeans asking pay. sgporeans asking sky-high pay

 

i actually have no intention to post any in this thread, but cannot tahan keep seeing people blame singaporeans asking for "sky-high pay" !!!

 

come on.... i look at the few freshies at my site, their asking pay is just a pathetic few hundreds more than my starting pay some 20 years ago, if theirs is "sky-pay pay", then mine was wat? moon-level back then?

 

hell....our pay, especially those more juniour level ones....has been suppressed sibeh jialat jialat, not even able to keep up with inflation we experienced thru' these years, best of all still kenna blame for "sky-high' pay.....wat a joke!

[Kiadaw]

i actually have no intention to post any in this thread, but cannot tahan keep seeing people blame singaporeans asking for "sky-high pay" !!!

 

come on.... i look at the few freshies at my site, their asking pay is just a pathetic few hundreds more than my starting pay some 20 years ago, if theirs is "sky-pay pay", then mine was wat? moon-level back then?

 

hell....our pay, especially those more juniour level ones....has been suppressed sibeh jialat jialat, not even able to keep up with inflation we experienced thru' these years, best of all still kenna blame for "sky-high' pay.....wat a joke!

If this isn't bad, think of what our children will get? & then imagine how much housing will cost & the inflation then.

 

Then ask yourself this question, do you think our next generation(s) will have better quality of life then us? Why?

 

A little off topic.

 

I took a bus today, beside feeling like I am in a foreign country, its seems we are also moving backwards in time. All the courtesy campaigns, social behavior improvement (Singaporeans (not my time) used to be unpopular when we travel aboard, e.g cut queue, take items from Hotels) we made go out of the window as some of the new FW/FT (Some) dilute into our population still quite backwards in behaviour. An outsider will look at 'us' and think we have not improve at all after all these decades.

[Axela72]

i actually have no intention to post any in this thread, but cannot tahan keep seeing people blame singaporeans asking for "sky-high pay" !!!

 

come on.... i look at the few freshies at my site, their asking pay is just a pathetic few hundreds more than my starting pay some 20 years ago, if theirs is "sky-pay pay", then mine was wat? moon-level back then?

 

hell....our pay, especially those more juniour level ones....has been suppressed sibeh jialat jialat, not even able to keep up with inflation we experienced thru' these years, best of all still kenna blame for "sky-high' pay.....wat a joke!

 

Some job salary has increased alot while some does not. SO those does not, employer/interviewer will comment that local ask too much.

 

Just take an example, 15 years ago, a fresh grad lawyer salary is only $2k, now is around $4k. A fresh grad engineer is durnig 15 years ago is $2.2k. If a engineering post interviewee is asking for 4k, the employer will say he is asking too much. Why? Because with the influx of FT, it bring down the salary of those job.

 

 

 

 

[Yewheng]

Some job salary has increased alot while some does not. SO those does not, employer/interviewer will comment that local ask too much.

 

Just take an example, 15 years ago, a fresh grad lawyer salary is only $2k, now is around $4k. A fresh grad engineer is durnig 15 years ago is $2.2k. If a engineering post interviewee is asking for 4k, the employer will say he is asking too much. Why? Because with the influx of FT, it bring down the salary of those job.

 

But than one must also look at company profitability and sometimes employ with higher pay doesn't mean good thing also.

 

Take for example.. imagine employ a person with 4k salary can actually employ 2 person with 2k salary. So if let's say company budget stills the same, that means less employee will be employed.. and thus more people will not be able to get job. Moreover, workload already very high as many been complaining.. and if let's say less people been employed.. means expect even higher workload.

 

So end result will be more people gets unemployed and those on job will feel even higher workload pressure.

[Ahwhye]

If this isn't bad, think of what our children will get? & then imagine how much housing will cost & the inflation then.

 

Then ask yourself this question, do you think our next generation(s) will have better quality of life then us? Why?

 

A little off topic.

 

I took a bus today, beside feeling like I am in a foreign country, its seems we are also moving backwards in time. All the courtesy campaigns, social behavior improvement (Singaporeans (not my time) used to be unpopular when we travel aboard, e.g cut queue, take items from Hotels) we made go out of the window as some of the new FW/FT (Some) dilute into our population still quite backwards in behaviour. An outsider will look at 'us' and think we have not improve at all after all these decades.

 

during gct's time, we had the dream of swiss standard of living, that while far-fetched, still somehow motivated and unite almost all levels of people....

these recent years with you -know -who in-charge, no more dream, no more motivation, only pure mindless pursue of figure, the gdp, with only certain group benefit from it; to the mass, alienation is the word.

i dunno how things will be in the future, but looking at things now, i suspect we are at the crossroad, if leave things unchecked as of now, we will be into some serious sh1t, and unfortunately somehow the pessimist deep inside me tell me we may not be able to make it and i seriously hope i will be proven wrong.

[Freestylers09]

wah ur pay few hundred more than current grad in 20 year+ ago?

 

my boss scholar and work in mid 80s,his pay starting 1.6k nia...

 

u also scholar?

 

my ex boss start in early 90 with dip..600 nia

 

not sure last time pay is how..but heard from my bosses thats all

[Silver_blade]

Ya. On one hand, Singaporeans want things to be cheaper but they themselves don't want to take on lower end of the jobs worse still, the blame ft for taking away the jobs they themselves don't want to do.

 

On the other end, the SMEs' pressure the gov to increase the quota for foreigners so their operating costs can be lowered.

 

It's a tough balancing act.

It is really a case of chicken and egg thing. Biz find it hard to reduce overheads to meet customer's expectation...customers also face with the same problems....everything also expensive. This is not a s'pore only problem that many biz/consumers are facing. Even my relatives' businesses in the UK are facing similar problems. In fact, UK's FTs problem is worse than ours. Our gov can control what kinds of FTs are allowed here...in the UK (or any EU countries) they cannot stop unskilled FTs from eastern Europe from entering and working there. The only way the gov can do to reduce the number of FTs is to limit the number of FTs from outside the EU, which are usually the sources of skilled workers the country really need. My relatives in the UK are facing problems getting the right professional they need.