Lexus LFA Beats Ferrari 599 GTO

[Scb11980]

  On 8/27/2011 at 2:14 PM, Ithunk said:

yes cant really compare a lexus to a ferrari

 

compare a lexus to a gtr or nsx would be better or another japan super make

 

in your reasoning then

you cant compare FT with a Singaporean

right

[Mecontle]

no need so much noise on road, just hand me a stock manual vios anyday,

[Twinturbo]

  On 12/14/2011 at 10:47 AM, Elfenstar said:

Was the GTR ever meant to compete against Lambo? I thought it was Porsche coz any Lambo feels like a bucket of sh|t around the fun twisty bits compared to the other two.

 

Anyway if you read the review, its a win on the part of the LFA based on the preferences of the driver ala Top Gear style. On my part, considering the price of both cars, and if I could get only one of these two, it would be the Ferrari for one reason. On the roads, with the GTO even the most clueless of people will go "Wah Ferrari!!!" For the LFA they'll go "What car is that? Lexus??? Oh... " Same things for a LFA vs Lambo, or LFA vs Aston. Its true competitors are probably the GTR, Porsche, the R8, etc which are real driving cars that are almost supercars, but I suspect Toyota has priced itself out.

 

P.S. Think about it this way. The GT3, and the GTR keep twisting around as the two fastest cars on the N

[Relagsingh]

  On 12/14/2011 at 1:13 PM, Twinturbo said:

GTR is not near supercar. In fact quite far off.

 

Put it this way. It's not a supercar, but a supercar killer.

 

Nothing else is close when it comes to value vs performance

[Twinturbo]

  On 12/14/2011 at 1:29 PM, Relagsingh said:

Put it this way. It's not a supercar, but a supercar killer.

 

Nothing else is close when it comes to value vs performance

 

Don't disagree with you. But my earlier statement still stands. It is not close to supercar.

 

[Escksu]

  On 12/14/2011 at 1:37 PM, Twinturbo said:

Don't disagree with you. But my earlier statement still stands. It is not close to supercar.

 

 

I would say it depends on how you look at it. Toyota is competing with GM to become the world's largest auto company (they trade 1st place with each other often).

 

If you are talking about financial/technical means, Toyota has no problems making a car that could match or even exceed any of the supercars out there. Its just how much they are willing to spend and how much returns they expect (I don't think LFA is making alot of money for them though, more like for marketing purpose).

[Friendstar]

  On 12/14/2011 at 1:48 PM, Escksu said:

I would say it depends on how you look at it. Toyota is competing with GM to become the world's largest auto company (they trade 1st place with each other often).

 

If you are talking about financial/technical means, Toyota has no problems making a car that could match or even exceed any of the supercars out there. Its just how much they are willing to spend and how much returns they expect (I don't think LFA is making alot of money for them though, more like for marketing purpose).

 

Err then why do they failed in formula 1 even with the highest budget?

[Escksu]

  On 12/14/2011 at 2:21 PM, Friendstar said:

Err then why do they failed in formula 1 even with the highest budget?

 

This is because there are regulations in place, esp testing limitations. If you cannot test, having more $$$ than others is not going to do you any good. You can only run simulations, wind tunnel test which does not necessary mean actual gains on the track.

 

But when you are building a street car, such limitations do not apply. If you are willing to commit the money, you can test as often as you want on any circuit, even study how your competitors' cars perform (eg. buy them and test, take apart etc....).

 

However, at the end of the day, it worth the money to make the fastest car in the world?

 

 

[Friendstar]

Read ur 2 most recent posts. U seem to be slapping urself. U mentioned Toyota has the financial and technical strength to compete or even exceed any supercar.

 

Anyway one can always argue about constraints. Test limitations blah blah.

What about red bull?

 

I'm using iPhone to type so won't enter into a philosophical discussion with u.

[Elfenstar]

  On 12/14/2011 at 1:13 PM, Twinturbo said:

GTR is not near supercar. In fact quite far off.

 

Why would you say that? On the track both it and the GT3 are far better than any of the supercars. I would contend that the LFA is the worse then, esp since it has even less heritage than the GTR, lower specs, no track cred, and similar if not lower hard-on capabilities. In fact the only other jap cars that come close are its predecessors, the NSX, the Supra, and now the LFA

[Elfenstar]

  On 12/14/2011 at 1:48 PM, Escksu said:

I would say it depends on how you look at it. Toyota is competing with GM to become the world's largest auto company (they trade 1st place with each other often).

 

If you are talking about financial/technical means, Toyota has no problems making a car that could match or even exceed any of the supercars out there. Its just how much they are willing to spend and how much returns they expect (I don't think LFA is making alot of money for them though, more like for marketing purpose).

 

Matching or exceeding do not make any car a supercar. Have a look at Porsche as an example.

[Relagsingh]

  On 12/14/2011 at 1:37 PM, Twinturbo said:

Don't disagree with you. But my earlier statement still stands. It is not close to supercar.

 

 

Literally, yes. I agree that it's nowhere close. That's what I said in the 1st place. No pedigree, just a big tin of tech, grunt and gizmos.

 

But on the road/track, not only it closes up on supercars, it can even have some of them for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It works.

Edited December 14, 2011 by Relagsingh

[Relagsingh]

  On 12/14/2011 at 7:47 PM, Elfenstar said:

Matching or exceeding do not make any car a supercar. Have a look at Porsche as an example.

 

Its a beetle on steroids

 

But its special though. quite a feat to make a butt heavy car to handle. Theoretically it shouldn't work. But its the germans we're talking about.

 

If i can have one, it'll be the 993 series 911. The last of the air-cooled porsches...

[Twinturbo]

  On 12/14/2011 at 7:43 PM, Elfenstar said:

Why would you say that? On the track both it and the GT3 are far better than any of the supercars. I would contend that the LFA is the worse then, esp since it has even less heritage than the GTR, lower specs, no track cred, and similar if not lower hard-on capabilities. In fact the only other jap cars that come close are its predecessors, the NSX, the Supra, and now the LFA

 

When moving, the performance is better.

When parked beside other supercars, it loses.

 

I can mod a integra to eat an Aston Martin too but it will not be supercar. Prestige, pricing, branding and desirability not there yet. If it becomes so desirable to the elites and pricing doubles, then yes it is there.

[Twinturbo]

  On 12/14/2011 at 11:02 PM, Relagsingh said:

Literally, yes. I agree that it's nowhere close. That's what I said in the 1st place. No pedigree, just a big tin of tech, grunt and gizmos.

 

But on the road/track, not only it closes up on supercars, it can even have some of them for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It works.

 

I do agree it is a great car based on performance. Quite unparalleled. But not supercar. Do not mix up.

[Escksu]

  On 12/14/2011 at 3:27 PM, Friendstar said:

Read ur 2 most recent posts. U seem to be slapping urself. U mentioned Toyota has the financial and technical strength to compete or even exceed any supercar.

 

Anyway one can always argue about constraints. Test limitations blah blah.

What about red bull?

 

I'm using iPhone to type so won't enter into a philosophical discussion with u.

 

Then lets just end the discussion.

[Escksu]

  On 12/14/2011 at 7:47 PM, Elfenstar said:

Matching or exceeding do not make any car a supercar. Have a look at Porsche as an example.

 

Btw, a question. What is a super car?

[Elfenstar]

  On 12/14/2011 at 11:17 PM, Relagsingh said:

Its a beetle on steroids

 

But its special though. quite a feat to make a butt heavy car to handle. Theoretically it shouldn't work. But its the germans we're talking about.

 

If i can have one, it'll be the 993 series 911. The last of the air-cooled porsches...

 

Yup pretty much it