F15 Flying With One Wing - WOW!!!!!!

[The_Bear]

  On 8/18/2011 at 3:54 AM, Dahawk said:

They tried to sell us the damn tigersharks first before the F5s

 

I thought the Tigershark (F-20) came after the F-5 but was shelved in favour of the F-16 program, not? Northrop continued to fund the development privately but is unable to find any buyer.

[Dahawk]

i made a mistake, meant to type "instead of the vipers"

 

apologies

Edited August 18, 2011 by Dahawk

[The_Bear]

  On 8/18/2011 at 4:05 AM, Dahawk said:

i made a mistake, meant to type "instead of the vipers"

 

apologies

 

From Wikiepedia, F-20 Tigershark

 

FX

 

In 1979 problems with the export policy were becoming apparent. The Soviets continued to sell newer aircraft designs to their clients, placing allies of the U.S. at a disadvantage. Denied by the U.S., countries were turning to other vendors for modern fighters, notably France's Mirage 2000.[12] Barry N. Blechman, Assistant Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, testified that the US reductions in foreign arms transfers had actually encouraged other nations and increased worldwide arms sales.[13] At the same time, there was considerable pressure to provide a suitable aircraft for Taiwan.[14]

 

The State Department argued that the U.S. needed a modern design to that which the F-5E had occupied in the 1960s and 1970s. In light of Carter's concerns, they suggested that a new aircraft be designed for the role, based on technology that would not pose a threat to the U.S. After a lengthy study, in January 1980, President Carter allowed the development of a new export fighter: "FX".[8] The FX would outperform the F-5E, however it could not use any advanced avionics systems. Unlike the Mutual Defense Assistance Act programs that led to the F-5E, FX would be entirely privately financed. However, the company could not market the aircraft directly; all sales would be handled by the Secretary of Defense.[8]

 

Both Northrop and General Dynamics (GD) responded to the FX requirement. GD's F-16/79 was a variant of the F-16A, replacing the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine with the J79 and equipped with downgraded avionics;[10] Northrop responded with the F-5G.[15]

 

[edit] FX stumbles and F-20 emerges

 

Btw, I am more used to calling them Falcons than Viper. But its just me.

 

When Ronald Reagan's administration took power in 1981, the export restrictions put in place by the Carter administration were slowly relaxed.[15] At first the FX program continued as normal, but a number of events would erode the value of the program and limit the F-5G's potential sales. The signing of the 1982 US-PRC Joint Communiqu

[Dahawk]

haha, alot of the drivers call them vipers. But yeah, the official designation is falcon, or fighting falcon nowadays.

[Xefera]

Don't think he was being garang. In the video he mentioned that he would have ejected if he knew that one wing was out. [laugh]

[The_Bear]

  On 8/18/2011 at 4:21 AM, Dahawk said:

haha, alot of the drivers call them vipers. But yeah, the official designation is falcon, or fighting falcon nowadays.

 

from your avatar, are you a pilot or with the air force?

[Happily1986]

  On 8/18/2011 at 2:51 AM, Vulcann said:

Ah we share the same nostalgic thoughts of these magnificent jets then.

 

My favourite then was actually the big fat Phantom II and especially this cute little spook representing it:

 

 

 

F16 was just surfacing then...

 

 

Any of you guys watched the anime Area 88. It was an anime in the 80s or so. Quite a few jets from the Top Gun era.

 

 

 

I was quite fascinated by military planes as a child. My favourite plane in WWI was the Spad VIII.

 

The equivalent in WWII was the Supermarine Spitfire. Even though i admire the Mk XI and beyond which by then carried the monster Grifon engine, it was the Mark I and IIs that was the gallant warhorses of Operation Sealion. My top choice was a very tough one with the P -51D Mustang and the P-38 Lightning coming very close.

 

My favourite post war plane was the Harrier 2. It was quite amazing to seeing this huge plane have VTOL capabilities.

Edited August 18, 2011 by Happily1986

[Vulcann]

  On 8/18/2011 at 3:10 AM, Donut said:

you can trust the israelis with anything. They are the survivors

 

They are very experienced in modern warfare and you are right about being able to survive in the most unfavourable conditions.

 

We were fortunate to get them onboard to help us build up our army then when most other nations turned the backs on us and some even wished we would perish...

 

 

[Vulcann]

  On 8/18/2011 at 3:54 AM, Dahawk said:

They tried to sell us the damn tigersharks too!

 

Ya remembered this too.

 

Eventually no one bought this single-engine jet which was effectively an upgraded version of the tiger.

 

Not sure if the their AF's FWS also bought them for aggressor training..

 

We were friendly to them then but not stupid...

 

 

[Vulcann]

  On 8/18/2011 at 4:21 AM, Dahawk said:

haha, alot of the drivers call them vipers. But yeah, the official designation is falcon, or fighting falcon nowadays.

 

Understand this callsign was because FWS aka Topgun folks used it right?

 

 

[Donut]

  On 8/18/2011 at 5:36 AM, Vulcann said:

They are very experienced in modern warfare and you are right about being able to survive in the most unfavourable conditions.

 

We were fortunate to get them onboard to help us build up our army then when most other nations turned the backs on us and some even wished we would perish...

 

those who had wished that we would perish, may the most horrible deaths be upon them

[Vulcann]

  On 8/18/2011 at 4:22 AM, Xefera said:

Don't think he was being garang. In the video he mentioned that he would have ejected if he knew that one wing was out. [laugh]

 

Most sane & rational jocks would have ejected even of lesser damage...

 

 

[Vulcann]

  On 8/18/2011 at 4:44 AM, Happily1986 said:

Any of you guys watched the anime Area 88. It was an anime in the 80s or so. Quite a few jets from the Top Gun era.

 

I was quite fascinated by military planes as a child. My favourite plane in WWI was the Spad VIII.

 

The equivalent in WWII was the Supermarine Spitfire. Even though i admire the Mk XI and beyond which by then carried the monster Grifon engine, it was the Mark I and IIs that was the gallant warhorses of Operation Sealion. My top choice was a very tough one with the P -51D Mustang and the P-38 Lightning coming very close.

 

My favourite post war plane was the Harrier 2. It was quite amazing to seeing this huge plane have VTOL capabilities.

 

Ah another fan of old planes.

 

WWI not very impressed with the rudimentary bi-planes then and only knew of the German ace Red Baron who shot down many allied pilots with his bright-red Fokker plane.

 

Come WWII really spolit for choice.

 

Maybe due to massive American influence because of their movies and military capabilities then and now, I was also biased and show favouritism also.

 

In addition to the Mustang and Lightning that you have mentioned, I also absolutely like the P40 Kitty Hawk, F4U1A Corsair and P47 Thunderbolt aka "Jug".

 

Was particularly aware that the IJN's Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was assassinated when US intercepted IJN's radio code that Yamamoto would be on board a transport plane and sent some Lightnings to take him out which they succeeded. There goes the architect of the Pearl Habour attack...

 

P40s were the first with the shark jaws marking as the Flying Tigers (official name was AVG (American Volunteer Group)) then were fighting the Japs over China and Burma. They had heard Japs feared sharks so their boys painted the vicious looking tigershark mouth onto the pursuit (hence the designation "P" for their fighers) planes' front air intake. Theirs was an impressive record against the enemy fighters and bombers.

 

For the gull-wing Corsairs, my impression of them was forged by the show Baa Baa Blacksheep show detailing the heroic acts of some misfit pilots of a real Marine fighter squadron headed by their fearless leader Major Grey "Pappy" Boyington. It was a great show and I followed every episode of it then.

 

P47s were then the long-range escorts of the heavies, B17s and B24s, over Rhineland until Mustangs popped up. Shaped like a barrel and nick-named "Jug", it was a flying tank with massive fire-power of 8nos. of 50-cal machine guns!!! Understand that some pilots refuse to switch over to the P51s and insisted they wanted to stick to the Jug which was able to absorb massive punishment and still bring the flyer back home in one piece.

 

OK now comes to my fav the Mustang.

 

The earlier models like P51B really CMI on the looks. But when the D-version appears, wow was the word. With a sleek look and a bubble canopy, it was the dream come true for many allied pilots. Able to escort the heavies deep into Germany, it was the best the Americans could come out with towards the end of the European compaign. And when Jerry fighter resistance was nil, they switched mode to ground-attack and pulverise all the railway stations, factories, power stations they could find. A magnifucent flying machine.

 

Incidentally the Mustang and the modern falcon shared some similarities in terms of the bubble caniopy and the air intake underneath the belly.

[The_Bear]

Same here. Not much impression of WWI planes except those with gunner riding shotgun, looks pretty menancing but apparently useless.

 

B-17s with their colorful liveries and bristling with machine guns are totally cool but still apparently useless. But you got to love the men who flew and fought in them. I would not want to be in any of them over the Rhine.

 

The one thing outstanding about WWII planes were the freedom given to the squadrons to paint their planes. Some of the nose arts were totally classic.

 

Sadly, everything came to a sudden end with the jet engine. Shooting Stars and Sabres over Mig alley was another interesting scenario. The Russians seeems to get things right by keeping it simple. Even their tanks, AK-47 were simple. But ultimately, the Western's edge in electronic technology did the Russians in.

 

On the Harrier, the USMC AV-8Bs looks fiercer than the original Harrier but how can anyone replicate the legend of what the Sea-Harriers did to the Argie Air Force at Falkland? Flying off the top of container ships with ski jump.

 

 

[Ahtong]

No WW2 plane is more chio than the Spitfire IX

 

 

[The_Bear]

  On 8/18/2011 at 7:57 AM, Ahtong said:

No WW2 plane is more chio than the Spitfire IX

 

How would a modern fighter i.e F-15 stack against a Spitfire?

 

Too fast to stay on the tail?

 

Heat seekers do not work on turboprops, do they?

 

What about radar guided?

[Ahtong]

  On 8/18/2011 at 8:01 AM, Bavarian said:

How would a modern fighter i.e F-15 stack against a Spitfire?

 

Too fast to stay on the tail?

 

Heat seekers do not work on turboprops, do they?

 

What about radar guided?

 

Probably one of the few chances an F-15 will get to fire it's cannon

[Ahtong]

The P-39 is also a nice looking plane. The USAAF / RAF had no luck with it but it did well with the Soviets

 

 

The bui bui Brewster Buffalo also sucked when used by the USAAF / RAF but had a suprisingly good record with Finland