Vulcann 6th Gear August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 (edited) Now watching SH Ch401 Battle Stations on F15. My jaws dropped after watching this segment: An Israeli F15D collided with a A4 Skyhawk in 1983 & lost the right wing. The pilot did not know he lost a wing because of the leaked fuel obscuring his vision & managed to come out of a spin after engaging afteburner. Maintaining a higher than normal landing speed the couragrous pilot was able to land the damaged bird almost using up the entire runway. Only then he was able to inspect the damage & his reaction was that if he had knew what had happened he would have ejected with his navigator. Really incredible fighter!!! It remain the only fighter never to have been shot down by a bogey in any air-to-air combat. Edited August 16, 2011 by Vulcann ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboQ Neutral Newbie August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 Wow turbo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shull Turbocharged August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 Now watching SH Ch401 Battle Stations on F15. My jaws dropped after watching this segment: An Israeli F15D collided with a A4 Skyhawk in 1983 & lost the right wing. The pilot did not know he lost a wing because of the leaked fuel obscuring his vision & managed to come out of a spin after engaging afteburner. Maintaining a higher than normal landing speed the couragrous pilot was able to land the damaged bird almost using up the entire runway. Only then he was able to inspect the damage & his reaction was that if he had knew what had happened he would have ejected with his navigator. Really incredible fighter!!! It remain the only fighter never to have been shot down by a bogey in any air-to-air combat. One of the reasons why we get the F-15 over other newer designs.. cos it's the only who which is battle proven.. The life provided by the surface area of the body is enough to keep the plane in the air.. [thumbsup] cold war design.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishcumstrue 6th Gear August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 That student-pilot., after landing the plane, was demoted for failing to follow his Instructor's order to eject... ...then later promoted for saving the plane (minus one wing). Classic! Details: http://www.uss-bennington.org/phz-nowing-f15.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear August 16, 2011 Author Share August 16, 2011 (edited) One of the reasons why we get the F-15 over other newer designs.. cos it's the only who which is battle proven.. The life provided by the surface area of the body is enough to keep the plane in the air.. [thumbsup] cold war design.. Have seen WWII shots of B17s being heavily damaged by flaks or mauled by Jerry fighters but still managed to land. They might have landed with just 1 functional engine out of 4 or with nose/cockpit/fuselage/wing shot off and often with fatalites or casualties on board. Always thought maybe prop aircrafts because of the low speed & lighter airframes so maybe can take the punishment or rely on lesser power could still land. Never thought a modern 13-tonne jet with a wing gone could still fly & most amazingly land some more! SOLID !! Edited August 16, 2011 by Vulcann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear August 16, 2011 Author Share August 16, 2011 That student-pilot., after landing the plane, was demoted for failing to follow his Instructor's order to eject... ...then later promoted for saving the plane (minus one wing). Classic! Details: http://www.uss-bennington.org/phz-nowing-f15.html Gota give it to this cool as cucumber Israeli fighter jock for his courage & skill to bring the damaged jet under control & land it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funner Neutral Newbie August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 Gota give it to this cool as cucumber Israeli fighter jock for his courage & skill to bring the damaged jet under control & land it. can our local pilots handle such stress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 Have seen WWII shots of B17s being heavily damaged by flaks or mauled by Jerry fighters but still managed to land. They might have landed with just 1 functional engine out of 4 or with nose/cockpit/fuselage/wing shot off and often with fatalites or casualties on board. Always thought maybe prop aircrafts because of the low speed & lighter airframes so maybe can take the punishment or rely on lesser power could still land. Never thought a modern 13-tonne jet with a wing gone could still fly & most amazingly land some more! SOLID !! i think WW2 planes and post Cold War cannot compare. Most WW2 planes can still glide assuming general structure of airframe is intact. However most modern airframe is based on inherently unstable design because this will allow pilots maximum maneuverability. For example, when you steer a plane to left, s stable airframe will countersteer in resistance but an unstable airframe will not return in roll. Unstable airframes help to save pilots alot of trouble of having to constantly trim their flight control especially when they engage in dogfight. Therefore my pt is that the modern fighters are in a class of their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear August 16, 2011 Author Share August 16, 2011 i think WW2 planes and post Cold War cannot compare. Most WW2 planes can still glide assuming general structure of airframe is intact. However most modern airframe is based on inherently unstable design because this will allow pilots maximum maneuverability. For example, when you steer a plane to left, s stable airframe will countersteer in resistance but an unstable airframe will not return in roll. Unstable airframes help to save pilots alot of trouble of having to constantly trim their flight control especially when they engage in dogfight. Therefore my pt is that the modern fighters are in a class of their own. Exactly. A very good example is the F117 Nighthawk. It is impossible to fly this ugly jet without a computer bec it is non aerodynamic & unstable craft. Nowadays almost all new fighters like F22s or F35s all fly-by-wire like F16s. With airframe & jet engine/s weighing so much, once a modern attack/fighter jet flames out the most a pilot can do is to eject to save his own skin. If it is already in a spin then good luck to the jock... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardthy 1st Gear August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 He exchanged his hair for keeping cool and composed. But anyone knows? Sad... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoner Clutched August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 can our local pilots handle such stress of cse can...they ejected straight away.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear August 16, 2011 Author Share August 16, 2011 He exchanged his hair for keeping cool and composed. But anyone knows? Sad... pai tan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboQ Neutral Newbie August 16, 2011 Share August 16, 2011 can our local pilots handle such stress Is that a question ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proton_neutron 1st Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Modern fighter aircrafts are built unaerodynamically so that they can manouvere dog fights easily. But they still can be flown rather easily thanks to modern computers and electronics. The fact that the F15E survived the air-strike is a testimont of how strong an aircraft body is. Should the wing get ripped off an Airbus A380 though, I say, good luck to the passengers!! I wonder how much stresses would be on the left wing of this particular F15E though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustank Hypersonic August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 the other poor guy died these guys are just plain HIONG!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B777jubilee 2nd Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 its due to the design of the plane. its a twin engine with engine on the side of the fuselage rather than the wings like in a commercial jet. When the wing is gone, the way to fly the plane is to use thrust differential by powering up the engine on the wingless side and lower the thrust of engine on the wing side. this will counter the loss of lift. Also the wing surface of the f15 is huge thus allowing tis to happen. in addition, the altitude has to be lowered as the engine is running on less power. but all being said, it still take a superb pilot to bring this plane down safely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear August 17, 2011 Share August 17, 2011 Modern fighter aircrafts are built unaerodynamically so that they can manouvere dog fights easily. But they still can be flown rather easily thanks to modern computers and electronics. The fact that the F15E survived the air-strike is a testimont of how strong an aircraft body is. Should the wing get ripped off an Airbus A380 though, I say, good luck to the passengers!! I wonder how much stresses would be on the left wing of this particular F15E though. after i gave some thought about it, i concluded that the plane managed to stay airborne out of speed. that the pilot chose to engage the afterburner meant that he wanted to maximize whatever lift he xould squeeze out. i would like to point out that the incredibility of this extraordinary encounter shouldn't be pinned on the plane's ability to remain aloft. rather, the amazing thing is how the pilot managed to pull the one winged plane out of a super barrel roll no less. With one wing less, i am sure roll control is hard as hell. perhaps it was a good idea to have had twin tail fins. Skills at the cockpit is undoubtedly there too. having said that, i suppose any stress on the airframe during flight would have been due to sonic booms and friction due to speed of flight. since the pilot didn't engage in >2G manoervre after that barrel roll and i doubt that he went more than subsonic, i don't there was any major stress subjected to the airframe after ripoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear August 17, 2011 Author Share August 17, 2011 Modern fighter aircrafts are built unaerodynamically so that they can manouvere dog fights easily. But they still can be flown rather easily thanks to modern computers and electronics. The fact that the F15E survived the air-strike is a testimont of how strong an aircraft body is. Should the wing get ripped off an Airbus A380 though, I say, good luck to the passengers!! I wonder how much stresses would be on the left wing of this particular F15E though. This one-wing eagle is a 2-seater training D-version, not the E-version SE. IIRC SE only appeared in late eighties and is a dual purpose jet though more ground attack role. We bought the 2-seater SEs to replace the Skyhawks. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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