Vulcann 6th Gear July 17, 2011 Share July 17, 2011 ...if you go along the logic of this reader even though the ruling party has dispense with it already. From ST Forum: http://www.straitstimes.com/STForum/Story/...ory_691779.html There's something to be said for standing on ceremony I DISAGREE with Associate Professor Hussin Mutalib's suggestion ('Let's not stand on ceremony for MPs'; July 9). What I found somewhat discomforting was his suggestions to review or revamp practices such as 'requiring residents to gather much earlier than the scheduled arrival of the MP, and requiring them to stand when the MP arrives'. Should we dispense with the basic values of respect for people who could influence the quality of our lives? As an elected official, an MP has been entrusted by his electorate to manage their interests and concerns, and deserves a modicum of decorum and respect. While his duty is to serve, it must be recognised that he is a leader. Imagine the prime minister attending a community event in his capacity as an MP, and walking in when the audience members are not all present, or when they loiter and chat, oblivious to his arrival. In treating politicians more like servants, we may well get it wrong on principle about etiquette and good manners. By studying human association in his own community, Confucius concluded that an essential principle of social relations is that of reciprocity. This means 'persons tend to act in relation to others as others act in relation to them'. Jolly Wee ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear July 17, 2011 Author Share July 17, 2011 Oops! Title typo. It should be ST Forum Reader: MPs Come All Must Stand On Ceremony instead of SY Forum Reader: MPs Come All Must Stand On Ceremony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babyckh 5th Gear July 17, 2011 Share July 17, 2011 Jolly, should the residents shout : "Wan Sui, Wan Sui, Wan Wan Sui" as well ? KNN..tripod until like that. Respect is earned, not demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged July 17, 2011 Share July 17, 2011 If those MPs or Ministers do well in their job.. respect will just come.. no need so wayang show what respect where these MPs or Ministers does more harm than good to Singapore as a whole. So what if stand up and show respect where deep in heart that curse government for such stupid policies government have implimanted ( take for example ) So respect is earned and not just by what standing up or whatsoever.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonTan 2nd Gear July 17, 2011 Share July 17, 2011 Sane as standing up to welcome the bride n groom? Aiya...just basic curtesy lah. The problem is those tripod RC member has taken it too far last time. Now all they say is to reduce the Tripod extreme treatment, and do just the basic. People will still come on time and still stand n greet MP...it's basic social ettiquete. No need to worry.....too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funner Neutral Newbie July 17, 2011 Share July 17, 2011 the problem with human beings, some with little power act like they are GODS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ender Hypersonic July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 If MP makes himself very visible among the community, popular with the residence and well liked. Residence attendance for ceremony is automatic, no need to enforce. Only MP like charles chong would consider themselves as immortals, and the resident as mere mortals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewheng Twincharged July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 If MP makes himself very visible among the community, popular with the residence and well liked. Residence attendance for ceremony is automatic, no need to enforce. Only MP like charles chong would consider themselves as immortals, and the resident as mere mortals. very true.. [thumbsup] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear July 18, 2011 Author Share July 18, 2011 And then there are MPs who have heeded the call. From ST Forum: http://www.straitstimes.com/STForum/Story/...ory_691780.html Serving community 'The current batch of MPs has taken heed.' MR CHONG THYE HIN: 'I refer to Associate Professor Hussin Mutalib's letter ('Let's not stand on ceremony for MPs'; July 9). Recently, I attended a forum organised by Yew Tee Community Club. The participants were asked to be present by 7pm and the MP was scheduled to arrive by 7.15pm. But MP Alex Yam was already present by 7pm, which was when I arrived. For all I know, he may have arrived before 7pm. The current batch of MPs has obviously taken heed of the policy of serving the community, rather than wanting to be served. Despite the uncomplimentary comments, many new MPs are eager and happy to serve. I applaud our MPs, especially the younger ones like Mr Yam.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippo20 Neutral Newbie July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 ...if you go along the logic of this reader even though the ruling party has dispense with it already. From ST Forum: http://www.straitstimes.com/STForum/Story/...ory_691779.html There's something to be said for standing on ceremony I DISAGREE with Associate Professor Hussin Mutalib's suggestion ('Let's not stand on ceremony for MPs'; July 9). What I found somewhat discomforting was his suggestions to review or revamp practices such as 'requiring residents to gather much earlier than the scheduled arrival of the MP, and requiring them to stand when the MP arrives'. Should we dispense with the basic values of respect for people who could influence the quality of our lives? As an elected official, an MP has been entrusted by his electorate to manage their interests and concerns, and deserves a modicum of decorum and respect. While his duty is to serve, it must be recognised that he is a leader. Imagine the prime minister attending a community event in his capacity as an MP, and walking in when the audience members are not all present, or when they loiter and chat, oblivious to his arrival. In treating politicians more like servants, we may well get it wrong on principle about etiquette and good manners. By studying human association in his own community, Confucius concluded that an essential principle of social relations is that of reciprocity. This means 'persons tend to act in relation to others as others act in relation to them'. Jolly Wee Stupid Jolly, in Singapore, MPs and senior VIPs are already very well 'respected' by the citizens.. We can do with less, not more.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast1 Supersonic July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 Jolly Wee can go and take a jolly wee. (Wee means pee in British parlance). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearoil 1st Gear July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 Standing on ceremony when MP comes? Only CB ball carrying peasants from HDBee heartland do that... Any MP ever come to private estates and recieved such 'standing ceremony'? Only the MP cxck will stand ...if that ever happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happily1986 5th Gear July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 i dont buy a single dime of what that jolly said. she could be a clone freshly minted from youknowwhere for all we know. the govt is made up of civil servants, every single one of them. if there was to be reason why a common joe has to show deference to these special people, it is towards to power vested by the State onto him or her after they took the oath in the presence of the Head of State. Same goes for why we specs salute the officer. it is because of the Singapura epaulette that carries the power of commission by the Head of State which is in reality, a symbolic figment of the State. In short, i give deference to the State not the civil servant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watwheels Supersonic July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 OK lah. When I was in primary school I also have to stand to attention and greet my teachers when she walks into the classroom. But as we grow older we stand on one leg and we greet like mourning the dead. When come army time we even have to salute to an officer, especially during recruit/trainee time. But when near ORD time, nobody gives a hoot, ICT lagi boh chap. I think when I'm older and I have to stand in ceremony of an MP who is younger dan me, to be honest I will find it difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoverofCar 6th Gear July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 If the reader want to carry balls and stand...by all means....for me..i fark care...! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARTer 2nd Gear July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 If the reader want to carry balls and stand...by all means....for me..i fark care...! Actually Jolly stands and carries the balls at the same time... he is the champion of multi-tasking.... clap, clap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcann 6th Gear July 18, 2011 Author Share July 18, 2011 PM already mentioned they are the servants of the people though we will not literally treat it that way la. Heard so much complaints about having to stand for MPs, about MPs being late for functions or about advance party knocking on your door to "request" i.e. order you to open the door to wait for the visiting MP. And most of the time it has to do with overzealous grassroots folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booboon 1st Gear July 18, 2011 Share July 18, 2011 Wait tat ah lao make u all kao tao then u know. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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