Question: 4 off days for maids

[Donut]

there are always risks to every thing.

 

if you are so worried about maids getting screwed, its the same worry for your growing up daughters and sons.....

 

your kids will also have the risk of doing bad things outside. Then how? you want to lock up yr kids too? no going out at all. everyday after school, must come home and stay at home?

 

you gonna to hire PIs to follow yr kids around?

 

 

Your reply will be 'I can educate my kids to behave well." If you can educate your kids, then u can also educate your maids.

 

 

The KEY word is "educate", not to lock up maids and kids at home........

[Voodooman]

I have a wife, 3 kids and a late 40s Filipino maid.

As I have posted earlier, I give her 4 Sundays off.

I have no problems whatsoever.

Frankly the issue our GOV has is NOT internal. Its external. read the reports from HKG and TWN ?

Many of them are flocking there to work and giving SG a miss.

SG employers are really Count the Dead Grass type, control freaks.

My S-I-L change maids that my fingers and toes not enough to count.

The reasons - blows my mind... and many SGeans are like that. - They want the maids to be Hardorking Mother Teresa.

I have been hiring maids since 1990s and only 1 rejected due to helath reasons and 1 gone home to get married.

My wife and me always choose older maids (to make it crude, I will throw in ugly as well). But we choose very decent ones as well.

There your moonlighting woes - GONE.

However, I only have 1 advice - treat them like family member. No I don't mean buying Computers and all the stuff...

Give a maid a Handphone and she will Talk Non-stop.

Give a maid Dignity and she will work Non-Stop.

 

We may not see eye to eye on TPL but I agree with you 100% on above.

 

People have to understand that it is an employer/employee relationship and not a master/slave one. If you treat someone sub-humanly, he/she is likely to behave like one. View your helper as an employee, treat her with respect and you need not worry about what she does on her off day, who she sleeps with, etc etc.... If she does not perform her duties within reasonable parameters of her JD and break clearly defined rules repeatedly, get pregnant, by all means, fire her. I don't buy them handphone, iPad or allow them to surf Sammyboy, most do their jobs dutifully and look after my kids' like their own.

 

[Scoots]

We may not see eye to eye on TPL but I agree with you 100% on above.

 

People have to understand that it is an employer/employee relationship and not a master/slave one. If you treat someone sub-humanly, he/she is likely to behave like one. View your helper as an employee, treat her with respect and you need not worry about what she does on her off day, who she sleeps with, etc etc.... If she does not perform her duties within reasonable parameters of her JD and break clearly defined rules repeatedly, get pregnant, by all means, fire her. I don't buy them handphone, iPad or allow them to surf Sammyboy, most do their jobs dutifully and look after my kids' like their own.

 

Agree.

 

Then why does the governement make the employers responsible for their maids?

 

- Maid get injured, either at workplace (ie, home) or when out on their off-days, the employer has to be responsble

 

- Maid goes out on off days, fools around and get pregnant, the employers' get penalised to be responsible for sending her back (all the fares and such) as well as (this I'm not sure but it;s what I;m told) having their deposite forfeited.

 

So why is it that our laws do not promote a healthy employer-employee relationship but makes the employer the guardian, the care-taker and the responsible for their maids?

[Ahbwee]

do we in the first place realised that there are always 2 camps or more when it relates to a subject matter?

we can have this discussion till the cows come home.

 

no doubt, my friends and relatives think i'm pampering my maids.But i reckon some of them just feel i am spoiling the market, as they dont even give them 1/3 of the priviledges i give them.

I want to proudly say, i treat my maids very well, and i DO treat them like a family member.this is because they take good care of my family, especially my kids.

do not even attempt to tell me to close 2 eyes if they sleep outside, or have protected sex with banglas or thais.

you know why some of you guys can close 2 eyes about the above?it's because you simply DO NOT give a damn about them.

to some of you,it's just as long as they do their job, whatever they do during their off days is none of your concern.right?

dont even bring in our kids to the picture please.

and please dont tell me you are ok if your daughter sleeps around in the future but it's ok as long as they do well academically.

makes no effing sense right?

 

would like to add, the law always tend to side towards them.(the maids)

when they do wrong, repatriation cost bore by employer.

they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to lose.

spoken to so many of them in a open heart to heart talk, and they said worse come to worse, they get send back to country (WHICH is WHAT they want most of the time after they realised a maid's job is not for them), or back to agency.

 

why?

Edited June 29, 2011 by Ahbwee

[Jman888]

it is difficult to juggle the emotion of whether to treat the maid as family member, first think of how you will treat your daughter for example.

 

So the logic is the same of the employer style (or parenting style), Authoritarian, Authoritative, Permissive or Uninvolved. The consequences of what the maid will do will also happen to the daughter. Yes, some may argue that daughter was raise from young in the family where the maid is from a different background. Some may also argue that they PAY for the service, but then the return is reciprocal.

 

So how to treat the maid is also very PERSONAL in each family. If maid were to have off day every week, maybe the MOE can ask all tuition centre to close on Sunday as it is the kid well deserved REST day :D

 

disclaimer: i have no maid, just sounding out.

 

 

[Gearoil]

One question...

 

Why the Sinkie ST like to obtain survey views about maids getting day off...when these ppl surveyed don't even employ maids?

 

It's like asking a person how fast he/she can can to make his car lap a ciricuit when he does not even race his car ley alone on how fast he can la p a circuit?

[Tigerwoods]

One question...

 

Why the Sinkie ST like to obtain survey views about maids getting day off...when these ppl surveyed don't even employ maids?

 

It's like asking a person how fast he/she can can to make his car lap a ciricuit when he does not even race his car ley alone on how fast he can la p a circuit?

Agree but why would anyone listen to the explanations of a Minister on the recent orchard/tanglin floodings when he or she does not even know a thing about civil enginerring ??

[Gendut]

Agree.

 

Then why does the governement make the employers responsible for their maids?

 

- Maid get injured, either at workplace (ie, home) or when out on their off-days, the employer has to be responsble

 

- Maid goes out on off days, fools around and get pregnant, the employers' get penalised to be responsible for sending her back (all the fares and such) as well as (this I'm not sure but it;s what I;m told) having their deposite forfeited.

 

So why is it that our laws do not promote a healthy employer-employee relationship but makes the employer the guardian, the care-taker and the responsible for their maids?

 

Hiring a maid is a business decision. The diff here is they work IN your home.

 

Repatriation cost are normal costs of doing business. No diff from buying a CEO flight tickets here and back when you hire and fire them. Does this answer yr qn?

[Jamstart]

Seriously, you see nothing wrong with the way you handle your maids?

A pot's calling a kettle black??

[Gendut]

A pot's calling a kettle black??

 

That was a qn you dumbo. If he feels there is nohing wrong, then there is nothing wrong. He can give 6 months bonus and I won't care but if he still does not find it wrong then its OK. Get it or is it too difficult for you?

[Jamstart]

That was a qn you dumbo. If he feels there is nohing wrong, then there is nothing wrong. He can give 6 months bonus and I won't care but if he still does not find it wrong then its OK. Get it or is it too difficult for you?

Stupid is what stupid does. Did you look back on what you have said? You also said you dont care who your maid sleep with. So is this not a dumbo? I rest my case. Really wasting my time.

[Jamstart]

I've personally never had an issue with my maids. They have the keys to my house and can go in/out as they like as long as they inform.

 

I only take issue when a job does not get done. Period. I don't control their friends nor am I interested in who they sleep with.

 

And I never worry if I have to pay a ticket to send them back. Do you? If so why?

 

Many employer like to point their fingers to their employees. But in a lot of cases, most employers are just cheap, wanting toextract every cent out of thier $$.

 

So since youre maid has insurance, mc and you pay for their medication, what is the problem with a day off? If you cannot perform like a maid under the same conditions, then don't hire one.

 

And people like Abhwee just cannot cut it managing people. If out of 10 maids that he encounters, 1 or 2 is bad, then maybe its the maid. Tough luck

 

But majority gives him problems? Most likely HE is THE problem.

 

Similarly, I tell my subordinates..... if every staff replacement I give you is a problem, then I think it is actually YOU who should be replaced.

So are you a pot???

[Hypermiler]

I must have seriously offended you.

 

Based on my few prejudices, you are either PRC, MIW or AhBWee's maid.

 

I am ONLY sorry if you are the maid.

 

 

Based on your hypocrasy you are a blardy farking singaporean arrsehole and a MIW balls licker who is still living in your master and slave world in this 21st century. Your kids deserve to be screwed hard by their employers while you watch on. My condolence to them.

 

 

 

[Gendut]

So are you a pot???

 

I do not get your point.

 

I presume what you are trying to say, is that I am wrong for not caring who my maid sleeps with. Is that correct?

[Kiadaw]

Don't want to add to the argument. But just a thought.

 

If you do not treat your maid well, or do not give them some time to rest, e.g. When you are not around, you expect them to treat your kids with tender loving care, as oppose to vend their frustration on your kids.

 

Just think about the last time you smile or keep quiet in front of your boss or commanders, but in your mind wanted to punch them in the face. Now think of what your maid think when you treated them not well. Then think of what they could do to vent their anger.

 

There is no guarantee that if you treat them well, they wouldn't mistreat your kids, or show appreciation, but if you do not treat them well, it just increase the odds, by a country mile.

 

Just a thought. If you guys don't agreed with me, that's fine, just something to think about

[Scoots]

Hiring a maid is a business decision. The diff here is they work IN your home.

 

Repatriation cost are normal costs of doing business. No diff from buying a CEO flight tickets here and back when you hire and fire them. Does this answer yr qn?

 

But what the "CEO" does on his off-days is not my business. I shouldn't have to be responsible if he goes farks a chicken or a duck ... does that make my point clear enough?

Edited June 29, 2011 by Scoots

[Tonyng]

Based on your hypocrasy you are a blardy farking singaporean arrsehole and a MIW balls licker who is still living in your master and slave world in this 21st century. Your kids deserve to be screwed hard by their employers while you watch on. My condolence to them.

 

You are a sad little person.

[Gendut]

But what the "CEO" does on his off-days is not my business. I shouldn't have to be responsible if he goes farks a chicken or a duck ... does that make my point clear enough?

 

Precisely. You should treat your maids as you do a CEO. You shouldn't have to be responsible if she goes farks a chicken or a duck ... does that make my point clear enough?