Tenders to develop new ERP system awarded

[Yewheng]

http://news.xin.msn.com/en/singapore/artic...umentid=4866494

 

SINGAPORE: The Land Transport Authority (LTA) has awarded tenders for trials to develop the next generation of the electronic road pricing (ERP) system.

 

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[Alpha78]

I believe there are still many technical challenges to be overcome before this gantryless GPS-based system works, we probably have to wait another 3 to 5 years before a final implementation is ready.

[Yewheng]

I believe there are still many technical challenges to be overcome before this gantryless GPS-based system works, we probably have to wait another 3 to 5 years before a final implementation is ready.

 

Ya I also think so especially when it goes into tunnel, that is it.. no reception. [laugh]

[Mecontle]

Ya I also think so especially when it goes into tunnel, that is it.. no reception. [laugh]

 

finally! its happening

 

[Byond]

tunnel not an issue lah

 

one end to another end...

prefix the distance

violia....

 

 

[Yewheng]

tunnel not an issue lah

 

one end to another end...

prefix the distance

violia....

 

I don't get it, aren't satalite will have no reception in tunnel ?

And what you mean prefix the distance? KPE got so many exit tunnel how to do the prefix distance like that?

[Lovemyride]

The tunnel one they will see where you enter and where you exit. From there, they will auto calculate the distance that you travelled in the tunnel.

 

I think this is a system that is fair. So they can do away with ERP gantries and OPC scheme. Everyone will be on black plate, you drive more, you pay more. So those who drive less will pay lesser taxes too.

 

Otherwise, now our mentality is since pay for road tax already, near or far destinations also drive out. MRT station 5 minutes walk away also drive there to pick up dinner.

 

And the system might be made so complicated like our taxi surcharges such that people won't bother to remember that if they travel on CTE at 6.30pm, they will be charged more etc. So you won't see people rushing to chiong the ERP gantry timings.

 

I think at the end of the day, there should still be a cap to the system. Like 1.5L car, no matter you drive how much, the limit for road tax in that year is $1000. But monthly road tolls you pay more because you use busy roads more often.

[SimonTan]

It depends on how the four firms will tackle it.

 

I would use the iPhone gps triangulation system to plot the distance travelled, using cells towers!

 

Some may use GPS system.

 

Or install ERP cell tower at every exit/entrance of the expressway and at traffic light junctions.

 

The system will not work because if it depends on battery power, then it can be shut off.

 

If there are no camera to catch offenders, then it can be disconnected.

 

Manufacturer will not allow it to be connected to the car system. So most likely it's like the IU now, a independent control box.

 

Very easy to defeat the system......just short the electrical cable.

[Picanto]

this is good news to solve the peak hour jams all over the island

[Dafansu]

I believe there are still many technical challenges to be overcome before this gantryless GPS-based system works, we probably have to wait another 3 to 5 years before a final implementation is ready.

The article did mentioned 4 to 5 years later. Not forgetting they will active the ERP at KPE first

[Civic6228]

I am all for this new system if it does help to control the traffic better and prevent the jams on the expressway. But I do not see the new system as being able to control traffic and solve the problem for the jams. It is just going to be another $$$$ generating tool for the gahment. Ths present ERP system is not working at all, Singapore has gotten used to paying for the ERP. No one is really complaining about it nowadays. Question is whether would someone not drive because there is a gantry and he/she has to pay ERP.

 

The gahment has always said that it is a fairer system to charge by usage and to an extent I agree. This GPS system seems to work towards charging by usage. But what about road tax ? Will there be a different rate for different capacity ? Someone driving a small cc car would probably complain that they should not be paying the same rate as someone driving a big cc car ? Import duties .... when are they doing to remove it ? We are already paying for COE. Import duties is just another $$$ generating tool.

 

The root of the problem is car population and this issue has not been looked into. Presently, allowable growth is 1.5% but are our road being increase by 1.5% ? I doubt the new TM dare to take the drastic step to cut COE allocation as it is going to be a very unpopular decision. For the time being, with or without ERP, implement new ERP etc etc will not solve the issue of jams in the highway.

[Mockngbrd]

See la! Vote pap la! U all 60%

[Jimmylsw]

So many ways to squeeze water out from rock man. Guess need to make plans to migrate out from hardland.

[Slowman]

You must be joking that this system will solve the traffic Jam. Unless the IU is gonna like the Taxi meter, every 1 kilometer u see ur value decrease and decrease till you get nightmare then maybe is a better psychological effect then the present situation.

 

Until now there is no good system to encourage ppl to scrap car and stay on public transport, so I dont see how is traffic jam situation going to be solved.

 

[Kangadrool]

It's clearly an easy way out to make more $$$ out from us rather than investing in public transport infrastructures that equal or surpass that of private car transportation.

 

With this system, whoever owns a car would still use their cars (at least 80% of the drivers). So, does it solve the congestion problem?

Edited May 25, 2011 by Kangadrool

[Brianlee_sg]

If we are going for charge by usage, i got a system in mind which has zero cost and can implement immediately instead of years later.

And that is petrol tax because petrol usage is proportional to the car usage is it not?

The more you drive on the road, the more petrol you use and hence pay more tax.

 

Maybe this system is too low tech, not appealing compared to high tech system like GPS :)

[Tom_kkh]

It's clearly an easy way out to make more $$$ out from us rather than investing in public transport infrastructures that equal or surpass that of private car transportation.

 

With this system, whoever owns a car would still use their cars (at least 80% of the drivers). So, does it solve the congestion problem?

 

yes it definitely will.

 

we have more than 1 million cars on the road. 20% is 200 000 cars, its like school holiday everyday, no jam

Edited May 25, 2011 by Tom_kkh

[Watwheels]

Actually a couple of years back, a local poly or uni already did a project on the related issue. I saw it on cable.

 

In order for the system to have really accurate positioning they have to build many land based satellites or transmitters around the island. As we know the ones in orbit has a margin of error of +/- 10m in terms of accuracy the land based satellites will narrow it down to pin point location.

 

The cost of building such a system is IMO freaking ex and unnecessary. Just build more roads, whether underground or flyovers if need to when we really run out of land.