Singapore likely to hire 60k Indian pros in 2011

[Porche]

I looked at the "Jobs most in demand in 2011 in Singapore" list in that page.

"Engineer" is in the top spot.

 

Strange, if engineering posts are the most in demand, why are they still paying peanuts to engineers?

 

u r right, i'm still a engineer who is paid peanuts

[OmOm]

When Sir Stamford Raffles founded Singapore, who were the indigenous peoples? How many races were there?

 

When our forefathers came from China, India, etc, how did the natives feel? Did they feel threatened by the influx of migrants?

 

Had the natives shut their doors on those migrants, we might not even have been born here. That there might be more than 4 major races in Singapore is not just a possibility, it is almost a certainty. As cosmopolitan-aspiring Singapore continues to embrace the influx of folks who are interested in working, staying and playing here, eventually we will have many more native races in time to come.

 

Off topic:

I think our 4 major races must expend to 5 or more soon. The fifth being filipinos.

Edited May 22, 2011 by OmOm

[OmOm]

Supply and demand. If the supply of engineers drops dramatically, you will see a corresponding increase in their salaries.

 

u r right, i'm still a engineer who is paid peanuts

 

[Axela72]

Supply and demand. If the supply of engineers drops dramatically, you will see a corresponding increase in their salaries.

 

Sadly, this will not be able to materialized unless Singapore does not allow to recruit engineer from oversea. The supply of engineer from India, China and Philippine may even exceed our demand here.

[OmOm]

That applies to any line. However, we cannot just wait indefinitely for that to happen. What are the other alternatives? As an engineer, how do you improve the value of your contributions to any prospective employer?

 

Sadly, this will not be able to materialized unless Singapore does not allow to recruit engineer from oversea. The supply of engineer from India, China and Philippine may even exceed our demand here.

 

[Gafff08]

The formula is simple: companies employ because they want to make a profit. If you are paid $8k a month, you would naturally need to generate more than $8k a month for your employer. If you are drawing $5k a month and are consistently generating $10k a month for your employer, your request for a pay raise would definitely be seriously considered (and likely accepted).

 

Carpe Diem!

 

I do not totally agree with your above paragraph. The premises of the formula is certainly simple but the willingness to abide by it is definitely a great challenge. In a big MNC with profits being the TOP objective, your positive efforts and go-getter attitude coupled with high level of comptencency may not always get you the pay raise that you most likely deserve. The above example may serve well in a sales job but you'll be equally compensated via the sales commission. Take a IT engineer for example, if you are assigned to multiple projects and you are able to complete all of them well before the deadline, you'll have the justification for a pay hike request. However, in all likelyhood, you will indeed get a hike but it will most often than not be much lower than what you anticipate/deserve. Of course, you can very well resign and look for another job but the fact remains that most HR department have some very stringent rules which is hard to overcome unless you have very strong support from higher management. Furthermore, in the first place the scope of work for a 8K per month renumeration have been calculated based on likely more than 10k worth of efforts.

[Gafff08]

I'm sorry, but I feel if you gave more than you think you are paid for, employers won't replace any of us. The reason why employers are looking elsewhere, is because they feel unhappy with us. Similarly, alot of Singaporeans work in other countries, being paid less than the natives. It's a cycle.

 

Look at the countless jobs that Singapore don't wanna do ? Should only cushy jobs be 'reserved' for Singaporeans ? I think we shouldn't expect handouts, but rather work hard at proving our best. If we are approving of menial jobs given to foreigners, we should fully expect similar things to happen on the top level.

 

Bottom line is, your job is safe if you can give more than what a foreigner can. I think such competition helps singapore and improves work ethics and attitude. Singapore can't be where it is, if we shut our doors from the past. Imagine you being the employer, would you give $3,000 to a Singaporean who insist on working 5 day work weeks with 21 day leave ? or $1,500 to a Chinese/Filippino/Indian who wishes to work 7 days and not take any leave, instead changing it for more cash.

 

Although you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I'm subscribed to a different school of thoughts.

 

Gone were the days whereby if you gave more than your worth, you'll be duly appreciated. And it's undeniable that NO one is indispensible. Maybe your field has yet to be infiltrated by FT and as long as it belongs to the private sector, it'll be in due time. (if the current FT policies continues)

 

As mentioned by another forummer, no one is expecting payouts and who is to say that we are less hardworking than foreigners. The key difference is we have friends and family here. We have a life here. This have been said many times and I'll repeat it again. This is Singapore, which is home to Singaporeans. A place where we grow our roots and family. As such, life is more than just work work and more work. I personally do not think it's wrong to ask for a worklife balance since we are here for good. The same can't be said for the FT. They just need to sacrifice a couple of daunting years of hardwork and they can probably retire comfortably back in their homeland.

 

Let me put this to you. Would you take a 50% paycut and work 7 days a week, not take leave till you retire?

Edited May 22, 2011 by Gafff08

[Windwaver]

GOOD LUCK, GUYS!!!!

Global executives are attracted to Singapore for its high quality of life,congestion-free traffic movement

 

Congestion-free traffic??????

[Windwaver]

Like you, my BIL is an employer/business owner and he strongly supports the govt's FT policy as it allows him to hire foreigners based on what he judges will benefit his company and of course his pocket the most. I can respect his/your view. I am an employee and I naturally see things differently. I am not asking for handouts as well, the company must survive before I can get paid, we all know that. The nature of capitalism (and free labour market) also means that, on average, we all need to do that consistently (ie. deliver more than what we are paid), otherwise the company will fold or we get the pink slip pretty soon.

 

The critical point is how much is enough for a business owner? In our current society where FTs roam the streets, everybody is guarding their own ass. Do you think any boss will be kind enough to really share the profits?

[Ithunk]

actually some ah neh programmers are quite good....

 

but in the United States.....ppl pay a premium for programming as a trade and a professional service......

 

for singapore its mainly systems

 

from a serious point of view

[Ithunk]

for the ah neh programmers that come here

 

looking at the exchange rate

 

1000 SGD is equivalent to 36,288.76 INR

 

 

[Ithunk]

HA HA HA HA HA....................

 

last time PRC, now Nehs.............same old s--t again........ think they never repent..............

 

Thanks to the 60% $inkaporeans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

to tell u the truth i prefer ah neh FTs over China FTs anytime

 

 

[Ithunk]

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Edited May 22, 2011 by Ithunk

[Ithunk]

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Edited May 22, 2011 by Ithunk

[Ithunk]

My first job after graduation was with an MNC. I was paid $2.5k a month as a system engineer. It was considered average remuneration at that time. My engagement was on annual contract basis and the notice period was two weeks. For two years, I was pushing myself to learn as much as possible, not just technically but also in terms of relating to people at work, with our vendors and our customers.

 

Although I did not receive any pay increment during the two years, I did not feel bitter because I felt that it was more important to acquire and build up a repertoire of both technical and soft skills. I was the sole breadwinner of my family at that time but I did not feel pressured by that. As I grew in my experience and knowledge, I developed the understanding and awareness that as long as I had the right attitude and tenacity as well as the right skillsets, I could survive anywhere even if my employer terminated my contract the very next day.

 

During my own free time in the evenings and over the weekends, I expanded on my existing technical knowledge through books borrowed from the library and read up on the latest technological information online. I developed programming components that could be used to construct systems quickly. As my personal library of components increased in size, I could create systems more easily. Initially these were simple ones but in a matter of a year, I could put together more complex systems using these components.

 

Eventually I tendered my resignation after two years with the MNC. I left on amicable terms with my superiors and the company and my boss even told me that should I want to rejoin, he would welcome me back any time. The reason for my leaving was an extension of my childhood dream - to run my own IT business. At the point when I handed in my resignation letter, I had less than $3,000 in my bank account. Much of my earnings had gone to the family and also on the personal self-improvement activities that I had undertaken during employment.

 

Despite the little money that I had in my account, I did not feel any fear or trepidation. In fact, there was a feeling of liberation and that it was a necessary step. I felt ready because I had already equipped myself with what I had considered the essential for survival - attitude and ability. In the first month after my resignation, I incorporated a Pte Ltd company and put in almost 20-hour days for the entire month to create a software product that could be used by most businesses. I slept for an average of less than four hours per day.

 

In the day, I made phone calls to prospects and arranged demo sessions wherein I would present whatever I had at that point in time. The aspects which were not completed, I told the prospects that they would be ready by month-end and asked them to give me an opportunity. I priced each software license at $1,000 including one year support. In that first month, two SMEs agreed to give my product a try. It was probably out of compassion that the owners gave me the opportunity and I was (still am) very grateful to them (they are my good friends today).

 

With the opportunity given, I did my best to deliver the promised features by the end of the month. While the product was not totally complete, most of the features that I had promised during the presentation were working and my customers gave me more time to work on the product while requesting additional features that they had thought of during the UAT. They even offered to pay for the extra features as they knew these were not originally part of my product.

 

The following months were interesting. In certain months, I did not have a single sale because most of my time had been spent on the programming. In the later months of the first year, with a growing product (and more features from those customisations), I managed to secure around twenty deals. Together with the customisation remuneration, I hit $30k for the first year. It was a milestone for me because that was just slightly below what I would have drawn annually in my last job.

 

It was a gratifying first year because it involved a lot of blood and sweat (not much blood, more sweat actually). More importantly, it reinforced my initial belief that with the right attitude and ability, I would not need to go hungry.

 

Fast forward to 2011 - today I have more than twenty different products which my company sells and I have a team of ten who help me in both the sales and development areas of business. The journey had not been easy (and still is not easy) but I have never even once regretted stepping out of employment to be my own boss.

 

There are a few principles which I stick to today:

 

a. there is no point in complaining about the environment. Many people complain about Singapore being a small market and that it's impossible to do well depending on just the local market. In reality, the do-ers pull up their socks and make things happen instead of channeling their energies to complaints and grumblings. Learn the rules of the game and play the game within the regulatory framework

 

b. if others can do it, so can I. Whenever I come across success stories both in the media or through my own network, I do not feel jealous. Instead, I am happy for those who have achieved their success in life (whatever that may be) and I grit my teeth and work harder towards my own goals

 

c. always keep an open mind. The survivors in any environment are those that keep an open mind. They are open to learning; they are open to acknowledging that they may be wrong. Adaptability is a consequence of being open-minded. If you are open-minded, you will survive anything

 

d. financial discipline is key; many people spend beyond their means e.g. someone earning $5k a month spends as if he earns $10k a month. Someone earning $10k a month spends as if he earns $15k a month. Instead of doing that, try spending below your means. If you earn $15k a month, spend as if you earn $10k a month. If you earn $10k a month, spend as if you earn $5k a month

 

e. eliminate all your bad habits. This may rile some folks but I am a firm believer of abstinence from cigarettes, alcohol and other vices. These are costly financially and saps you in almost all aspects of your existenence - physical, mental, emotional.

 

I know of associates who have been retrenched from jobs paying $8k a month and they wait out a year or two, turning down job offers of $5k a month because they feel they would be "short-changed". I always explain to these associates that if they feel that the company making the job offer is sound and offers opportunities for growth, take up the $5k per month offer and then demonstrate to their employers that they are deserving of $8k a month by producing returns in excess of that.

 

The formula is simple: companies employ because they want to make a profit. If you are paid $8k a month, you would naturally need to generate more than $8k a month for your employer. If you are drawing $5k a month and are consistently generating $10k a month for your employer, your request for a pay raise would definitely be seriously considered (and likely accepted).

 

Carpe Diem!

 

yes it is not easy in my opinion.....first part is know how to sell and price the solution...and of course building a brand and good reputation. 2nd is of course the inner workings, enhancements and features of the product...

 

[Nightkids]

to tell u the truth i prefer ah neh FTs over China FTs anytime

 

 

the problem is not about Indian or PRC, its the over flooding of FTs and they are sucking up our jobs.......

 

CHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nightkids]

Off topic:

I think our 4 major races must expend to 5 or more soon. The fifth being filipinos.

 

 

many many more bro......

 

Burmese, Thai etc.....

 

 

[Kiadaw]

many many more bro......

 

Burmese, Thai etc.....

Singapore is like mini South East Asia. Most popular destination by a landslide for folks of all countries (if not all) within 1000km radius barred Australia & maybe Brunei. Yet we are also the smallest by a country mile.