Eventually, TPL may be off the hook ...

[LoverofCar]

Based on the election candidate's handbook...there is line stating personal comment using internet is allowed. So it looks like TPL may be off the hook afterall..anybody read it differently from what I read?

 

GE candidates handbook

 

 

5. COOLING-OFF DAY

The eve of polling day is designated as Cooling-off Day. It is a day when

campaigning is banned and election advertising must not be published. This 24-hour

campaign silence period is to let voters reflect rationally on various issues raised at

an election before going to the polls.

5.1. Prohibited Activities on Cooling-off Day

The following acts are not allowed on Cooling-off Day:

 Publication and display of election advertising not already lawfully

displayed or published;

 Canvassing, door-to-door visits, visiting homes and workplaces of

voters in connection with the election;

 Wearing badges, carrying or displaying political propaganda (only the

candidate is allowed to wear the party badge); and

 Holding of election meetings.

Candidates should therefore refrain from visiting their constituents or

attending public events within their constituencies on cooling-off day.

However, attending religious ceremonies or worship services, or attending

functions in the course of work or employment would still be permissible.

There are some exceptions to the prohibition of campaign activities on

Cooling-off Day:

 Party political broadcasts on television;

 Reports in the newspapers, on radio and television relating to election

matters;

 Approved posters and banners that were already up, and lawful

Internet advertising that was already in place before the start of

Cooling-off Day;

 Books previously scheduled for publication;

 The transmission of personal political views by individuals to other

individuals, on a non-commercial basis, using the Internet, telephone

or electronic means; and

 Candidates may continue to wear party logos/badges indicating his

affiliation with a political party or a replica of the symbol allotted to

him or to the group of candidates to which he belongs under.

Edited May 18, 2011 by LoverofCar

[Parkingidiot]

 The transmission of personal political views by individuals to other

individuals, on a non-commercial basis, using the Internet, telephone

or electronic means; and

 

 

individuals refer to non-candidates.

 

So if TPL can prove Denise He did it - then she's off the hook.

But she is still responsible for Denise He action as she is the FB owner of her own account. Unless do a WKS and shaft all blame to Denise He.

[Parkingidiot]

who is the Denise He anyway? anyone got picture?

[LoverofCar]

 The transmission of personal political views by individuals to other

individuals, on a non-commercial basis, using the Internet, telephone

or electronic means; and

 

 

individuals refer to non-candidates.

 

So if TPL can prove Denise He did it - then she's off the hook.

But she is still responsible for Denise He action as she is the FB owner of her own account. Unless do a WKS and shaft all blame to Denise He.

 

this is a handbook for candidates so the individual should be referring to the candidates...why talk about public in here..

[Parkingidiot]

this is a handbook for candidates so the individual should be referring to the candidates...why talk about public in here..

 

 

anyway... whatever we discuss won't matter... as they will choose judgement to suit themselves.

[Darryn]

 The transmission of personal political views by individuals to other

individuals, on a non-commercial basis, using the Internet, telephone

or electronic means; and

 

 

individuals refer to non-candidates.

 

So if TPL can prove Denise He did it - then she's off the hook.

But she is still responsible for Denise He action as she is the FB owner of her own account. Unless do a WKS and shaft all blame to Denise He.

 

Actually I don't think so - to me, even if Denise were trying to post in her "own" capacity, I think if she is TPL's moderator then she is her agent (i.e - acctivities she does, even if in her personal capacity) so in the realm of "politics" it is as though TPL did it...i.e - I don't think Denise is an "individual" but rather an "employee" - much the same as those competitions run by people like coke etc. The T&C always say "employees, family members etc etc" are not eligible.

[Altivo]

this is a handbook for candidates so the individual should be referring to the candidates...why talk about public in here..

 

the key here is non-commercial basis... if she was simply using her own private FB profile.. then she might be able to argue her way out. The issue now is that the FB fanpage was listed as her official election platform in her declaration form to ED. You can check back the link some post backs and compare the FB URL on the form. As such, it is no longer on a non-commercial basis.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Altivo

[LoverofCar]

anyway... whatever we discuss won't matter... as they will choose judgement to suit themselves.

that's my point...they can use it to twist the rule and said it is allowed...come 2016..then they change it to disallow for all...

[Tom_kkh]

she has never been on the hook how to be off, lolx

 

its only some Singaporeans wishful thinking that she will be "punished" for cooling day thingy.

Edited May 18, 2011 by Tom_kkh

[Altivo]

that's my point...they can use it to twist the rule and said it is allowed...come 2016..then they change it to disallow for all...

 

ya loh.. to begin with, the cooling off day measure was a stupid move

[Devilazz]

that's my point...they can use it to twist the rule and said it is allowed...come 2016..then they change it to disallow for all...

 

rules are fixed by them and can be change by them as and when. i won't be surpise.

[Civic101]

She declared that she is the FB administrator and now claimed Denise He is the one - does this mean false declaration in her submission on nomination day?

[LoverofCar]

ya loh.. to begin with, the cooling off day measure was a stupid move

 

to me..no effect...whether the cooling off is one day or one month...as long the s--t is still there....my choice is still the same...

Edited May 18, 2011 by LoverofCar

[LoverofCar]

Like it or not...she is here to stay for Marine Parade people...haha....good luck for them...

[Darryn]

Of course, the whole conversation is a moot point if:

1. TPL ccan demonstrate that proper and explicit instructions were given to Denise not to post on election day to the TPL page

2. It was Denise that did the posting (which very honestly I don't really doubt - unless you buy into the conspiracy theory of a clone account)

 

No matter how "against" TPL you are, I don't think you can genuinly hold her responsible if she did take the "proper" steps.

 

On the other hand, having Denise as a moderator of her account, and not declaring properly appears to be another "infraction" that may need to be addressed.

 

On a different note, if LHL wanted to get rid of her given the negative reaction to her "election", this could serve as an opportunity.

 

On the other other hand, if she is sacked - that is going to mean what, a by-election? is that really justifiable for what in reality, is a very small infraction? If there is a by-election it would be a "free for all" right? So it might mean (for example) members of the Bishan team strengthening the MP team?

 

[Vince69]

won't have by-election one lah... later the best from among the unelected Oppo party members from NSP+SDP+SPP+WP+RP combined to form a AAA+ team

Edited May 18, 2011 by Vince69

[Darthrevan]

employee or not..TPL still should be held accoutable for Denise's action..when an employee did something wrong..company kena..when a maid gets pregnant or run away..employer kena..there should be no difference in a meritocratic society

[Darryn]

employee or not..TPL still should be held accoutable for Denise's action..when an employee did something wrong..company kena..when a maid gets pregnant or run away..employer kena..there should be no difference in a meritocratic society

 

Not always - if the company had reasonable procedures in place to prevent the "wrong doing" then they are not held liable.

 

Take this as an example. My daddy does traffic control for a roading contractor. Before they start work for the day they are breathalised. Imagaine he passes the test, then quickly drinks a whole bunch of whisky, takes the work vehicle and crashes it into a bus stop killing 13 people. Is the company at fault or him?