From feeling of home to an unwelcome presence in days

[Coralife]

Me a singaporean, till now cant even get the NDP ticket. waiting from years to years. So luckily is that foreigner guy holding PR and do not want to take up citizenship. If singapore is in trouble, they are the first to run out of this country without looking back. Their main purpose here is to either have good education for their children or to have a better income here. Once enough they will return back to their hometown. Nowadays I seen more and more foreigner staying in SG especially the China foreigner. Couple came to singapore and stay bring their children here to study, next their parent, parents in law follow by sister and brother, growing bigger and bigger in population. My friend who working in government sector told me that he had hard time with these foreigner such as plucking clam inside HDB flat, causing irritating smell among neighbours, collection of cardbaoard and place it along corridor dirtying the place. Are these foreigner skill worker and bring job opportunity to singaporean. They are not, they bring unhappiness to singaporean. As for malaysian foreigner, they are better behave and know how to get respect in other people country.

 

Edited May 17, 2011 by Coralife

[Dipstick]

  On 5/16/2011 at 6:28 AM, Mydotcom said:

Reading news/articles/letters relating to FT/PR makes my blood boils :angry:

 

The 60.1% had made their choice. I should accept it and try to live my life within the system that they had chosen.

 

No point making my blood boil every other days over something that I can't do anything about (thanks to the 60.1%).

 

Hope that either the govt change their policies, or more of the ppl in the 60.1% camp change their mind in the next 5 yrs

 

 

Tens of thousands of FTs/FWs are taken in as new citizens each year. These people are likely to vote for the ruling party as they may feel a sense of gratitude toward the people who granted them the citizenship status. 1 year = 20k new citizens. 5 years = 100k new citizens and that number would be more than enough to offset those of the 60.1% who may change their mind come 2016.

[Yardo]

Side track a bit.

 

Yesterday i was near jurong east entertainment center to get my shoe mended. That place is now flooded with bangla workers and has turned into a new place for them to hang out. Partly due to the construction happening there. Although I am not a xenophobic, I can't help but felt at that instant I was at a foreign land. I agree that they are here for a certain benefit for the ecomony, but then it cannot be at the expense of our comfort level. How can a sporean standing in the midst of the crowd in heartland looks like a minority! So out of place! It is a joke.

[Badder]

  On 5/13/2011 at 1:03 AM, Wson said:

So sorry to Mr Juniarto that Singapore no longer feels like his home.....BECAUSE IT ISN"T!!!!!

 

Hold Indonesian/Malaysian citizenship and still dare to say Singapore no longer feels like his home, CCB!!!!!! Singapore is Singaporean's home, not FT's home, be thankful we even let you in in the first place, NOT HAPPY THEN f--k OFF!!!!

 

...I bet you think your a patriot

 

tell me what do you think would happen to singapore if all the non citizens f_cked off?

 

 

 

What to you think would happpen to us in the future if we were unable to attract FTs we need because they are made to feel unwelcome here?

 

 

You dont know so Ill tell you. We would literally fall apart. Almost half our workforce are non citizen. no country could survive losing half their workforce

 

your motivation may be patriotism but the result of such ignorance would hurt the country you protest to love.

 

If we alienate PRs and FTs WE WILL BE THE ONES THAT LOSE OUT!

 

 

They can always go elsewhere. Our industry, our economy NEEDS these people

 

But you dont understand that do you. You think you can seperate social welfare from industrial welfare dont you.....fool

 

 

 

 

[Badder]

  On 9/10/2011 at 11:43 AM, Dipstick said:

Tens of thousands of FTs/FWs are taken in as new citizens each year. These people are likely to vote for the ruling party as they may feel a sense of gratitude toward the people who granted them the citizenship status. 1 year = 20k new citizens. 5 years = 100k new citizens and that number would be more than enough to offset those of the 60.1% who may change their mind come 2016.

 

 

FYI in recent years the gov has made it harder to get citizenship. They have increased the standard needed.

 

 

But dont let the facts get in the way of your theory.....

[Badder]

  On 5/16/2011 at 1:28 AM, Wson said:

Blame it on the recruitment agencies. Every local they find for the company, they get commission from the company only. Every foreigner they bring in for the company, they get commission from the company and commission from the foreigner, double commission. So they will keep selling the foreigners to the companies, telling the companies that cannot find local talents. They even offer "incentives" to the HR dept of these companies if they hire foreigners instead of locals.

 

Now u all know why more and more Foreign "Talents" gets hired, while Singaporeans who got retrenched after 40yo cannot find jobs.

 

Can someone write in to MOM? This practice is killing Singaporeans

 

what you have just written is untrue

 

 

In fact its a load of BS

 

 

 

In fact the FACT is in recent months its become IMPOSSIBLE for Fts to apply for many jobs now in singapore, Check out most if the agencies they almost all now say PR or citizen ONLY.

 

the ignorant racists are getting their wish and its becoming less attractive and harder for FTS s to come here - and thats going to HURT the country you think your helping - your not.

 

 

This is NOT common practice at all.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Badder

[Badder]

  On 5/16/2011 at 12:09 AM, Latka said:

ST Forum

May 16, 2011

Give back and Singaporeans are sure to embrace foreigners

 

I REFER to Mr Juniarto Samsudin's letter last Friday ('From feeling of home to unwelcome presence in days'). I too came as an immigrant to Singapore. I have lived here for 26 years and took up citizenship 14 years ago.

 

I agree there was plenty of rhetoric during the political rallies about the immigration policies. I attended both opposition as well as People's Action Party rallies during the run-up to the General Election.

 

At the Workers' Party rally in Hougang on April 28, I was unable to find the friends I was supposed to meet there, so I stood by myself and listened to the speeches. Those around me were friendly, and some were even a bit chatty - asking me if I could understand the Mandarin, Hokkien and Teochew spoken. I said I could tell them apart and catch words and phrases here and there but could not understand much. My Malay was better but still inadequate to comprehend a political speech. I just had to wait for the English speeches.

 

Yet, even in the midst of a huge crowd, obviously fired up by the zeal of passionate speakers, I was not treated like an outsider, nor did I feel like one.

 

This was despite my being a Caucasian woman, so not obviously a Singaporean at first glance. Therefore, it must be something internal.

 

When I arrived in Singapore, I did not run with the expatriate crowd, but instead, cultivated friendships with Singaporeans through local networking avenues and participating in civic organisations.

 

In other words, I assimilated, and I gave back. I have done this through giving my time to serve on the boards of organisations, participating in public forums, pro bono public information talks and mentoring programmes.

 

Perhaps the resentment against foreigners is that too many are not in a symbiotic relationship with those around them. Unfortunately, many enjoy the benefits of Singapore, without giving any reciprocal benefit to the greater community.

 

Janet Ruth Sosna (Ms)

 

this woman is an idiot

 

 

Indians, chinese they all stick to their own largely. the expat community is no different. why is ok for singaporean chinese to hang out together in clan houses and coffee shops but not ok for expats to hang out in expat bars and cafes? why is it ok for indians to hang out in little india? thais in golden mile?

 

 

racism is born from ignorance. mr janet ruth sosa needs to get her head out her ass.

 

 

as for the bitterness and jealousy i hear in the voices of people complaining about them living in condos - ffs - many many many times more locals live in condos than expats! open your eyes turn your brains on.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Badder

[Badder]

  On 5/14/2011 at 2:27 AM, Playtime said:

I think we need to make a distinction between those who choose to make this their home and those who are here to milk the system before running off again.

 

 

why?

 

the fact is while they are here they are doing a job they are providing a service they are helping local companies be profitable they are helping secure locals jobs in that company they are paying taxes they are being useful to us.

 

 

If they are here for a year or for ten years they are still contributing to singapore the fact they are WORKING is proof of that.

 

 

what business is it of your or anyone else how much or if at all they personally benefit from being here?

 

how does it hurt you, how does it hurt singapore if they use us as a stepping stone?

 

the facts is simple

 

 

they are WORKING ergo they MUST BE CONTRIBUTING

 

 

everyone milks their job. its what a job is for.

 

if you only allow FTS to work here who will stay and become PR then you will not attract FTS - and THAT we cant afford to do.

 

 

besides you need to make your minds up, either you want them to stay and become PR or you want them to leave - apears to me whatever they do they are dammed...

 

 

 

 

[Wishcumstrue]

  On 9/12/2011 at 3:43 AM, Badder said:

FYI in recent years the gov has made it harder to get citizenship. They have increased the standard needed.

 

 

But dont let the facts get in the way of your theory.....

 

 

Businessman Badder,

 

Cool. Is this true? Gov upping the FT/FL standard?

 

Since you state this is a fact now, can you share what kind of standard has Singapore's immigration policy improved on?

 

Are you saying the earlier pre-election batches are of lower-qualification?

 

 

[Wishcumstrue]

  On 9/12/2011 at 4:05 AM, Badder said:

the fact is while they are here they are doing a job they are providing a service they are helping local companies be profitable they are helping secure locals jobs in that company they are paying taxes they are being useful to us.

 

 

Dear Businessman Badder,

 

Your words interest me:

 

"They are helping local companies" - So they are here for charity? *cough* cough*

 

"be profitable.." - How? By using them at lower wage than locals ? How's that mean to the income of Singapoeran? Which bring me to

 

"helping secure locals jobs" - Securing for locals? Kid me not.

 

[Badder]

  On 9/12/2011 at 4:12 AM, Wishcumstrue said:

Dear Businessman Badder,

 

Your words interest me:

 

"They are helping local companies" - So they are here for charity? *cough* cough*

 

They are WORKING and they are spending their money here (rent, transport, food, taxes) ergo they are HELPING OUR ECONOMY. Of course they are benefiting too - thats why you work isnt it? to benefit? why are you allowed to benefit but not an FT?

 

  Quote

"be profitable.." - How? By using them at lower wage than locals ? How's that mean to the income of Singapoeran? Which bring me to

 

"helping secure locals jobs" - Securing for locals? Kid me not.

 

 

Firstly average Salaries are RISING desite the record numbers of FTS coming in so your theory is FALSE

 

And to your last point. if someone is working then they are contributing to their company which means they are helping to secure the future of that company which means they are helping secure the jobs of the employees of that company. where that person was born doesnt change that

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2011 by Badder

[Falcon1668]

hey all of u please stop arguing with a pappy dog, just shaft a bone into its mouth

[Pufferfish1]

was in the lift at wisma atria yesterday. This is my own personal account

my wife, daughter and me got into the lift and press level 7

then came along a indian couple with ft accent, follow by a japanese couple and 4 philipino students

 

everyone was speaking their own language

 

once we reach our level, i told my wife everyone is a foreigner including my wife whom is a canadian are all foreigner

so me and prehaps my daughter if she dont take up the canadian national are local

 

a rarity to be a singaporean, dont know if i should cry or laugh

[Acieed]

It's actually the same in most metropolitan cities. Even in "monoculture" Japan, in Tokyo, most people working and living there are from other towns and prefecture -- Okinawa, Kansai, Tohoku regions etc. speaking different dialects though they would sound similar to Singaporeans. Okinawan are not even the Yamato-race. Then they have a lot of Korean and Chinese/Taiwanese immigrants working as restaurant servers, sales people that bears a Japanese last name on their name tag.

 

Similarly in Shenzhen, Beijing and Shanghai, majority of the residents are from other provinces. The locally born residents also enjoy a fair share of cultural clashes with their inter-province immigrants though one would argue, they are all Chinese.

 

In Singapore, it's not different though unique because we are so small as a country. There isn't really "other provinces" or "other towns" except Pulau Ubin in today's context. Anybody who is not local would have been a foreigner. We also do not have a significant cultural identity which foreigners can adapt to -- we won't really formally teach Singlish to the foreigners.

 

  On 9/12/2011 at 7:26 AM, Pufferfish1 said:

was in the lift at wisma atria yesterday. This is my own personal account

my wife, daughter and me got into the lift and press level 7

then came along a indian couple with ft accent, follow by a japanese couple and 4 philipino students

 

everyone was speaking their own language

 

once we reach our level, i told my wife everyone is a foreigner including my wife whom is a canadian are all foreigner

so me and prehaps my daughter if she dont take up the canadian national are local

 

a rarity to be a singaporean, dont know if i should cry or laugh

 

[Wishcumstrue]

  On 9/12/2011 at 7:26 AM, Pufferfish1 said:

was in the lift at wisma atria yesterday. This is my own personal account

my wife, daughter and me got into the lift and press level 7

then came along a indian couple with ft accent, follow by a japanese couple and 4 philipino students

 

everyone was speaking their own language

 

once we reach our level, i told my wife everyone is a foreigner including my wife whom is a canadian are all foreigner

so me and prehaps my daughter if she dont take up the canadian national are local

 

a rarity to be a singaporean, dont know if i should cry or laugh

 

Wisma falls in the tourist belt, so higher ratio of non-local that is given.

I will smile coz that means more income for Singapore.

[Relacklabrudder]

  On 9/12/2011 at 3:42 AM, Badder said:

...I bet you think your a patriot

 

tell me what do you think would happen to singapore if all the non citizens f_cked off?

 

 

 

What to you think would happpen to us in the future if we were unable to attract FTs we need because they are made to feel unwelcome here?

 

 

You dont know so Ill tell you. We would literally fall apart. Almost half our workforce are non citizen. no country could survive losing half their workforce

 

your motivation may be patriotism but the result of such ignorance would hurt the country you protest to love.

 

If we alienate PRs and FTs WE WILL BE THE ONES THAT LOSE OUT!

 

 

They can always go elsewhere. Our industry, our economy NEEDS these people

 

But you dont understand that do you. You think you can seperate social welfare from industrial welfare dont you.....fool

 

 

 

dun quote extreme cases like 'tell me what do you think would happen to singapore if all the non citizens f_cked off?'

 

u wan quote extreme cases then i also can quote extreme cases:

 

What if these non citizens decide to bring their culture and start prtotesting on the streets without permits? what will happen to our stability and FDI??

 

waht if singapore had a war against one of their FT nations, will these FTs turn against singaporeans and go on a ethnic cleaning massacre like in Haiti??

 

whatif Singaporeans no longer feel that they are the citizens of the land anymore and decide to leave en-mass to other countries?? is this still called singapore?

Edited September 12, 2011 by Relacklabrudder

[Wishcumstrue]

  On 9/12/2011 at 4:43 AM, Badder said:

They are WORKING and they are spending their money here (rent, transport, food, taxes) ergo they are HELPING OUR ECONOMY. Of course they are benefiting too - thats why you work isnt it? to benefit? why are you allowed to benefit but not an FT?

.

 

Dear Businessman Badder,

 

Are you saying locals don't need to paid tax and same mrt fares?

 

Fact is FT can't even make it in their own country of origin which is usually very broken or corrupted.

 

They know that. And that's why they are here! For the SINGAPORE DOLLAR.

 

Helping Singapore? It's like claiming a Bangladeshi construction worker is here to make Singaporean richer.

 

Sorry, your reply does not hold water.

 

 

 

 

 

[Busybody]

  On 5/13/2011 at 1:03 AM, Wson said:

So sorry to Mr Juniarto that Singapore no longer feels like his home.....BECAUSE IT ISN"T!!!!!

 

Hold Indonesian/Malaysian citizenship and still dare to say Singapore no longer feels like his home, CCB!!!!!! Singapore is Singaporean's home, not FT's home, be thankful we even let you in in the first place, NOT HAPPY THEN f--k OFF!!!!

 

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