Should Elections Department Be Under Prime Minister's Ofc??

[Vulcann]

Since the PM & his cabinet colleagues have been emphasing that they will listen more to the ground just before & after the recent GE, I will like to seek my fellow MCFers' opinion on this.

 

For me, I think it will be mandatory that the ED be completely independent from the executive, legislative or judiciary branches.

 

Ideally the people there should be appointed from both public & private sectors maybe 1 year before the next GE.

 

This is remove some concerns from people of the nagging feeling of the conflict of interest element which may influence how electoral boundaries are drawn before each GE so far.

 

Even though I am not from Aljunied GRC, I certainly do not want it to be broken up in different wards come GE 2016.

 

Your views?

[Joseph22]

No.

[Csnewbie]

talk also no use.

 

ruling party having firm grip on the rules.

 

sg missed the chance to change it.

 

luckily got one GRC,to talk for us.

[Fcw75]

Who's the joker who voted for Yes? Are you serious?

 

Read here for more info:

 

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/features/elect...-key-activities

 

Elections Canada’s Organizational Structure

Independence, leadership, and funding

 

Independence and Non-Partisanship

The purpose of Elections Canada is to act as an independent and non-partisan administrator of federal electoral events. This stems from one of the original objectives in creating the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer: to end the manipulation of elections by the political executive (the prime minister and cabinet).

 

In this context, the Chief Electoral Officer, who heads Elections Canada, is appointed by the House of Commons as a whole (based on a simple majority vote), allowing all political parties represented in the House to participate in the selection. Once appointed, the CEO may serve until the age of 65 or retirement, and may only be removed earlier by joint request following a majority vote of the House and the Senate.

 

This appointment and removal process is meant to ensure that the prime minister and cabinet cannot influence the administration of elections, either through a partisan appointment to office or through threats of removal if the CEO does not act in accordance with the government’s wishes.

 

Elections Canada also has the independent authority to draw on government revenues in order to pay for expenditures relating to its mandate (see below). This is meant to ensure that the government of the day cannot influence the activities of Elections Canada by manipulating its salaries and budget.

 

Elections Canada employees, including returning officers, are also required to take an oath to uphold voters’ rights and the secrecy of the vote, and to perform their duties without favourtism. The Chief Electoral Officer is also disallowed from voting in federal elections while in office. (The Chief Electoral Officer is the only adult Canadian citizen not permitted to vote.)

Edited May 9, 2011 by Fcw75

[Icedbs]

Since the PM & his cabinet colleagues have been emphasing that they will listen more to the ground just before & after the recent GE, I will like to seek my fellow MCFers' opinion on this.

 

For me, I think it will be mandatory that the ED be completely independent from the executive, legislative or judiciary branches.

 

Ideally the people there should be appointed from both public & private sectors maybe 1 year before the next GE.

 

This is remove some concerns from people of the nagging feeling of the conflict of interest element which may influence how electoral boundaries are drawn before each GE so far.

 

Even though I am not from Aljunied GRC, I certainly do not want it to be broken up in different wards come GE 2016.

 

Your views?

 

 

I am fine with anything, as long Mr. Yam Ah Mee come back as annoucer for the results.

[Fcw75]

Anyway, I will take what PM Lee said with a pinch of salt. They will still go ahead with whatever they 'think' it's best for us and good for them.

[Felipe]

i posted on this before. Election is a competition. Like in any competition, there has to be a neutral body doing the organising.

 

Imagine in Champions League, Man U is given the presidency. Ok? Bad enough. Then Man U will set all the rules. What sort of rules will Man U set? Obviously, it will be like-

 

1. All Man U games will be played only at Old Trafford.

2. All referees for Man U games will be chosen by Man U

3. Only 20% of Man U games tickets will be given to opponent fans.

 

Big teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid have threatened to pull out, sponsors and fans alike, calling it a farce. Man U insists every team is following the same set of rules so it's fair.

Seriously, who will compete in such a competition where the competitor sets the rules? None will. Only our good old heroes press on for 20 years.

[Vulcann]

I am fine with anything, as long Mr. Yam Ah Mee come back as annoucer for the results.

 

 

You a fan of him?

 

Because of the remix video?

 

 

BTW he was a ex-BG & ex-CEO of LTA ok?

 

Dun pray pray!!!

[Fcw75]

I am fine with anything, as long Mr. Yam Ah Mee come back as annoucer for the results.

 

Yamee! I think he like to eat Mamee and listen to Do Re Mee.

[Fcw75]

Come to think of it, what is actually really independent and not linked to the government?

[Csnewbie]

Come to think of it, what is actually really independent and not linked to the government?

 

ya...they have too firm grip.

 

why not go grip their own prick. :angry:

[Darryn]

Come to think of it, what is actually really independent and not linked to the government?

 

By rights the Civil Service.

 

Some places have very specific rules and laws in place to place a barrier between legislative and executive branches of govt - i.e between making laws and implementing laws.

 

And also remember, its not only impartiality that matters, but also the appearance of impartiality

[Vulcann]

Come to think of it, what is actually really independent and not linked to the government?

 

Hmmm...our votes?

[Darthrevan]

talk also no use.

 

ruling party having firm grip on the rules.

 

sg missed the chance to change it.

 

luckily got one GRC,to talk for us.

 

6 mp got what use? cannot even block legislation..shld have at least 43 inside to give the MIWs a hard time

[Vulcann]

By rights the Civil Service.

 

Some places have very specific rules and laws in place to place a barrier between legislative and executive branches of govt - i.e between making laws and implementing laws.

 

And also remember, its not only impartiality that matters, but also the appearance of impartiality

 

My kiwi friend,

 

You are right to suggest the Civil Service.

 

That is why I mentioned public sector to be one of the parties.

 

It is pretty difficult, however, to shake off the feeling that since the civil servants report to the ministers & MOTs, they may not be impartial after all here in Singapore.

 

One way is to secretly appoint these candidates without the executive branch's or their employer's knowledge. The appointment could be done by the judiciary branch since they tend to be more balanced & impartial.

[Kiadaw]

i posted on this before. Election is a competition. Like in any competition, there has to be a neutral body doing the organising.

 

Imagine in Champions League, Man U is given the presidency. Ok? Bad enough. Then Man U will set all the rules. What sort of rules will Man U set? Obviously, it will be like-

 

1. All Man U games will be played only at Old Trafford.

2. All referees for Man U games will be chosen by Man U

3. Only 20% of Man U games tickets will be given to opponent fans.

 

Big teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid have threatened to pull out, sponsors and fans alike, calling it a farce. Man U insists every team is following the same set of rules so it's fair.

Seriously, who will compete in such a competition where the competitor sets the rules? None will. Only our good old heroes press on for 20 years.

Good way of putting it.

 

Why no one contested this anyway? How can this be true democracy?

[Joseph22]

i posted on this before. Election is a competition. Like in any competition, there has to be a neutral body doing the organising.

 

Imagine in Champions League, Man U is given the presidency. Ok? Bad enough. Then Man U will set all the rules. What sort of rules will Man U set? Obviously, it will be like-

 

1. All Man U games will be played only at Old Trafford.

2. All referees for Man U games will be chosen by Man U

3. Only 20% of Man U games tickets will be given to opponent fans.

 

Big teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid have threatened to pull out, sponsors and fans alike, calling it a farce. Man U insists every team is following the same set of rules so it's fair.

Seriously, who will compete in such a competition where the competitor sets the rules? None will. Only our good old heroes press on for 20 years.

 

this one is already true right?? in fact i think its lesser

Edited May 9, 2011 by Joseph22

[Relagsingh]

I am fine with anything, as long Mr. Yam Ah Mee come back as annoucer for the results.

 

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