Who has the right of way?

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 1:58 AM, Mona-vie said:

Btw another classic example of where cars on minor road have to give way. Ubi. The cross junction at Paya Lebar road turning into Ubi road. At the cross junction, there are many cars doing a U turn. There are also cars coming from Ubi Road. The cars from Ubi road must give way to the U turn cars.

Wrong assumption. Can read Highway Code?

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:00 AM, Grix17 said:

I crept out and followed the previous car in the leftmost lane.

There was no oncoming traffic heading in the direction otherwise.

I thought that there is no rush for the Car B to U-turn, and that he should also look out for other cars.

Furthermore, the U-turn spot is also turning right into carpark.

 

When I was horned at , my first question was:

Is there absolute right of way in this scenario?

 

Btw, if the roles were reversed and I was the Car A, I would give way to the Car B because my path begins on the opposite side of the road.

Car A driver may not be holding valid Driving Licence, so not aware of the Highway Code.

[Iisterry]

Not everything can be quantified into numbers, many factors are involved aside from what is simply shown in the picture. Speed of vehicles, who initiated the turn, where was the counter-party when the initial vehicle began turning, number of lanes on the road, etc, etc...

 

Traffic rules and regulations are designed to facilitate a smooth and safe transition. General guideline would be:

1) vehicles going straight

2) vehicles turning left

3) vehicles turning right/u-turning

 

This is because we operate on right-hand-drive basis, the priority allows the vehicle to exit the "danger zone" as quickly as possible.

 

Other over-riding situations:

1) stop signs/lines

2) mandatory give way signs

3) major/minor road, etc...

 

Now this are all by following the book, real world application, the sequence of events is moving too fluidly to judge. You will never have a picture perfect scenario with 2 vehicles moving at the same speed along with the absence of other tangibles/intangibles.

 

Claims wise, most likely liability will be shared depending on the point and position of impact.

 

Ultimately, things have happened and the results of the poll indicates that sentiment is split regardless of right/wrong.

 

Even if a Chief Justice gives u a clear verdict of right, it will not help. The next time such a scenario happens, you might very well give the other car The Finger and retaliate with another blast of horn.

 

Just drive safe. Predict other people's intention.

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:04 AM, Unfair said:

Car A has right of way as it is on the main road.

 

I believe you have a stop line just before entry to the main road from your carpark.

If you cannot judge Car A's speed/intention, please try harder next time.

Can read Highway Code? Car A was reported to be doing illegal U-turn, so unauthorised to do that U-turn there. Only Car B has got right of way at that point in time. Are you from motor insurers' trying to mislead us into more accidents?

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:05 AM, Turboflat4 said:

Many such junctions have a sign (visible by car B) saying "Give way to U-turning vehicles" or "Beware of U-turning vehicles". This sign alone tells you who has the right of way.

 

Always car A. Cars on the major road (even if U-turning into the opposite lane) have the right of way.

 

But if langgar, don't know how insurance will adjudge, but for sure majority of blame will not be on car A. Likely that car B will bear most of the burden.

Those warning signs are to alert you against accidents by vehicles making illegal U-turns. Are you from motor insurers' here to mislead us into more accidents?

[Dafansu]

main road must clear first, so car A. Car B has a stop line in front of him

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:10 AM, Turboflat4 said:

Yes, by traffic code.

 

Btw, if the roles were reversed and I was the Car A, I would give way to the Car B because my path begins on the opposite side of the road.

 

That's beside the point.

 

If there was really a huge gap (as in car A wasn't even lined up to U-turn), then car A wouldn't have horned right? But if car A was lined up to U-turn and was delayed or blocked by you turning left, he has the right to be a little cheesed off.

Car A driver got no valid Driving Licence so not knowledgeable of the Highway Code?

[Dafansu]

  On 4/21/2011 at 3:11 AM, Good-Carbuyer said:

Can read Highway Code? Car A was reported to be doing illegal U-turn, so unauthorised to do that U-turn there. Only Car B has got right of way at that point in time. Are you from motor insurers' trying to mislead us into more accidents?

 

I thought i saw legal U-turn one the first page? Can you read again? or i old already

[Stanong11]

What did Good-Carbuyer just drinkk? Some potent cocktail?

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:15 AM, SimonTan said:

The LTA is WRONG, DEAD WRONG to allow a Legal U-turn at that point of the road!

 

The turn is most likely for cars to just turn into the carpark! Why is there a legal U-turn there, better vote wisely!

 

By right Car-B can move off 'faster' as its just a 90deg left turn,

Car-A by right is making a 'Slower' 360deg directional change.

 

So if the traffic is clear on the road for the Car-A and B to move, then Car-B would have moved before Car-A got the chance to bang into B.

Perviously the Traffic Police used to reply to me such design to be satisfactory, so no issue to TP.

[Dafansu]

  On 4/21/2011 at 3:19 AM, Stanong11 said:

What did Good-Carbuyer just drinkk? Some potent cocktail?

 

maybe he wants to mislead us to more accidents instead

[Grix17]

  On 4/21/2011 at 3:17 AM, Dafansu said:

I thought i saw legal U-turn one the first page? Can you read again? or i old already

 

Haha, yeah .. I think he read wrongly.

It's legal U-turn.

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:19 AM, Grix17 said:

Technically, I was following the previous car closely.

I was already out of the car park, about 3/4 progress into the lane when the Car A was U-turning.

The horning seemed to be more of the self-righteous type more than annoyance.

That's why I asked the "right-of-way" question.

If has absolute right of way, then it was reasonable for him to be self-righteous.

Do not worry. You can always read the Highway Code again if you want to be sure.

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:32 AM, JaydenSTI said:

your situation is somewhat similar to a traffic light cross junction that allow u-turn. this type of junction is everywhere in singapore road. if you (car B) are turning left through the filter lane, you do gave way to u-turning vehicle (car A), dun you?

You got the point. You are right.

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:53 AM, FromA2B said:

Stop line means u stop and move only when the traffic is clear. Give way. Technically it also means u stop even if there is no traffic :)......

 

Maybe Car A is expecting u to stop and u did not, so horn lor.....

 

Always tell my wife, do not worry about who has the right of way..just drive safely, move only when u are sure it is clear. Ignore the horn and stares if there are one.

However, in that scenario, the Car A drove recklessly?

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 2:56 AM, Icedream said:

Opps. Re read the first post, there is a stop line.

 

Thus, the car in front of the stop line will have to wait until it is safe to go.

Opps X 2. Car A only make illegal U-turn after Car B has turned left. Car A did not wait until it is safe to U-turn?

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 3:02 AM, Grix17 said:

Actually, it's quite different in the design. There is at least 5 metres between the filter lane and the road divider.

In my case, I blame poor design of the road.

It may seem ideal to combine the U-turn point and the carpark entrance from the engineer's point of view, but not the driver.

Perhaps we need to be alert that those who design roads are almost all non-drivers. Hence the number of accidents due to irresponsible/ignorance in design.

[Good-Carbuyer]

  On 4/21/2011 at 3:08 AM, Iisterry said:

Not everything can be quantified into numbers, many factors are involved aside from what is simply shown in the picture. Speed of vehicles, who initiated the turn, where was the counter-party when the initial vehicle began turning, number of lanes on the road, etc, etc...

 

Traffic rules and regulations are designed to facilitate a smooth and safe transition. General guideline would be:

1) vehicles going straight

2) vehicles turning left

3) vehicles turning right/u-turning

 

This is because we operate on right-hand-drive basis, the priority allows the vehicle to exit the "danger zone" as quickly as possible.

 

Other over-riding situations:

1) stop signs/lines

2) mandatory give way signs

3) major/minor road, etc...

 

Now this are all by following the book, real world application, the sequence of events is moving too fluidly to judge. You will never have a picture perfect scenario with 2 vehicles moving at the same speed along with the absence of other tangibles/intangibles.

 

Claims wise, most likely liability will be shared depending on the point and position of impact.

 

Ultimately, things have happened and the results of the poll indicates that sentiment is split regardless of right/wrong.

 

Even if a Chief Justice gives u a clear verdict of right, it will not help. The next time such a scenario happens, you might very well give the other car The Finger and retaliate with another blast of horn.

 

Just drive safe. Predict other people's intention.

Changed topic?