1.6 turbo charged versus a normal 2 litre engine

[Lycanthrope]

 

 

some quick question

 

there are 3 models in my mind - C4 Grand Picasso , Peugeot 5008 & VW Touran .....

 

i'm comparing them with my tucson in terms of carrying say 4 adults and 2 children , my ride seems to struggle with the weight although its an new improved 2 litre engine

 

 

what about those that are 1.6 & 1.4 turbo charged ? can they easily handle it effortlessly even with a lower capacity engine ? ?

 

please comment ..thanks

[VellfireS]

some quick question

 

there are 3 models in my mind - C4 Grand Picasso , Peugeot 5008 & VW Touran .....

 

i'm comparing them with my tucson in terms of carrying say 4 adults and 2 children , my ride seems to struggle with the weight although its an new improved 2 litre engine

 

 

what about those that are 1.6 & 1.4 turbo charged ? can they easily handle it effortlessly even with a lower capacity engine ? ?

 

please comment ..thanks

 

Hmmm.. Touran..

[Shull]

some quick question

 

there are 3 models in my mind - C4 Grand Picasso , Peugeot 5008 & VW Touran .....

 

i'm comparing them with my tucson in terms of carrying say 4 adults and 2 children , my ride seems to struggle with the weight although its an new improved 2 litre engine

 

 

what about those that are 1.6 & 1.4 turbo charged ? can they easily handle it effortlessly even with a lower capacity engine ? ?

 

please comment ..thanks

 

Most modern FI engine are tuned to have damn good low end torque.. mostly for city start-stop driving conditions.. Accelerating with full load shouldn't be much of a problem..

 

For long distance like NSHW, my personal preference is still go for higher cc cars.. less taxing on the engine too..

[Coupecabriolet]

the 1.4TSI engines from VW (twin-charged), meaning supercharger + turbocharger, has engine capacity of 1.4L with 160bhp 240nm which is equivalent to an NA engine of capacity 2.3L. (read somewhere)

 

in some cases, its even a better performer than some 2.5L v6 engines from certain carmakers.. say Lexus IS250 or Nissan Teanna 2.5L v6. nevertheless, these 2 cars are heavier than the cars carrying the twin-charged engine setup. (usually in smaller cars like Golf, scirocco)

 

the Touran is brisk even though it does not have the full performance from the 1.4TSI, 20bhp and 20nm lesser, somemore heavier.

 

but then, any type of mainstream car performance will be affected if comparing 1 driver vs fully loaded lah. unless you're talking about GTR or something

[Karnaugh]

the 1.4TSI engines from VW (twin-charged), meaning supercharger + turbocharger, has engine capacity of 1.4L with 160bhp 240nm which is equivalent to an NA engine of capacity 2.3L. (read somewhere)

 

in some cases, its even a better performer than some 2.5L v6 engines from certain carmakers.. say Lexus IS250 or Nissan Teanna 2.5L v6. nevertheless, these 2 cars are heavier than the cars carrying the twin-charged engine setup. (usually in smaller cars like Golf, scirocco)

 

the Touran is brisk even though it does not have the full performance from the 1.4TSI, 20bhp and 20nm lesser, somemore heavier.

 

but then, any type of mainstream car performance will be affected if comparing 1 driver vs fully loaded lah. unless you're talking about GTR or something

 

The 1.4 TSI engine is no where a better performer than the Lexus 2.5l engines. The tiny turbo engines are only good for 0-100 sprints but once you get on roads like NSHW you will see the difference the big boys and the small turbo engines.

[Thaiyotakamli]

Maybe either touran or C4, but personally i like c4 because tried before, its a total new experience and the cabin felt damn shiok, wide panoramic view at night and if u dont close the xtra large moonroof, u become chao da!!! C4 handling good and less bodyroll, tiny engine but up to expectation. Nice handbrake, got fridge and completed with Many features such as GPS, rev cam and many more, worth buy and resale value not too sure but VW touran think has better resale value:)

[Coupecabriolet]

The 1.4 TSI engine is no where a better performer than the Lexus 2.5l engines. The tiny turbo engines are only good for 0-100 sprints but once you get on roads like NSHW you will see the difference the big boys and the small turbo engines.

 

Sorry I'm referring to 0-100kmh as a benchmark because such info is easier to retrieve.

 

The one in is250 is a nice engine no doubt, but below 100kmh or even 150kmh, it cannot keep up with me. After that, I would have gained considerable distance for it to try and catch up. If both start from rolling start of 150kmh, of course the bigger NA wins

 

But here we are not talking about such speeds, so I kept my benchmark low.

 

People who wanna compare between 1.4 turbo and supercharged, 1.6 turbo and 2L NA are also probably concerned about costs such as FC and road tax, both of which should be better with the FI setups.

[Good-Carbuyer]

some quick question

 

there are 3 models in my mind - C4 Grand Picasso , Peugeot 5008 & VW Touran .....

 

i'm comparing them with my tucson in terms of carrying say 4 adults and 2 children , my ride seems to struggle with the weight although its an new improved 2 litre engine

 

 

what about those that are 1.6 & 1.4 turbo charged ? can they easily handle it effortlessly even with a lower capacity engine ? ?

 

please comment ..thanks

Can compare their technical specifications?

[Sucker]

Wow! which car are U driving?

 

Sorry I'm referring to 0-100kmh as a benchmark because such info is easier to retrieve.

 

The one in is250 is a nice engine no doubt, but below 100kmh or even 150kmh, it cannot keep up with me. After that, I would have gained considerable distance for it to try and catch up. If both start from rolling start of 150kmh, of course the bigger NA wins

 

But here we are not talking about such speeds, so I kept my benchmark low.

 

People who wanna compare between 1.4 turbo and supercharged, 1.6 turbo and 2L NA are also probably concerned about costs such as FC and road tax, both of which should be better with the FI setups.

 

[Spidey10]

The 1.4 TSI engine is no where a better performer than the Lexus 2.5l engines. The tiny turbo engines are only good for 0-100 sprints but once you get on roads like NSHW you will see the difference the big boys and the small turbo engines.

 

Akin to small engine doing a big man's work!

I always have this in mind - what about 3 yrs down the road - will the engine sound as nice - and maintenance?

Keep in mind - they are overwork and the wear and tear is bound to happen faster than a bigger cc engine...

this 1.6l turbo is still new(i think) wait for 2-3 yrs and see if the owners complain ...higher noise level, part changes and what not - coz in the end they need to work extra "hard"...just like a human body...work hard labour under the sun and see what will happen..

 

Just my 2 cents - I would prefer a normal 2.0 anytime..

[Observer]

Wow! which car are U driving?

 

he driving something which his nick says nothing at all

 

anyway i doubt his saying that by the time displacement matters he would have been gone....totally wrong!

[Mona-vie]

the 1.4TSI engines from VW (twin-charged), meaning supercharger + turbocharger, has engine capacity of 1.4L with 160bhp 240nm which is equivalent to an NA engine of capacity 2.3L. (read somewhere)

 

in some cases, its even a better performer than some 2.5L v6 engines from certain carmakers.. say Lexus IS250 or Nissan Teanna 2.5L v6. nevertheless, these 2 cars are heavier than the cars carrying the twin-charged engine setup. (usually in smaller cars like Golf, scirocco)

 

the Touran is brisk even though it does not have the full performance from the 1.4TSI, 20bhp and 20nm lesser, somemore heavier.

 

but then, any type of mainstream car performance will be affected if comparing 1 driver vs fully loaded lah. unless you're talking about GTR or something

 

Are you sure its better than the IS250 engine?? It has 205HP and 252Nm torque. Certain versions has slightly higher figures at 212HP 260Nm. Thus I don't think the 1.4TSI can match it in anyway. Of course car weight and gear ratios play a part as well.

 

 

[Proton_neutron]

Akin to small engine doing a big man's work!

I always have this in mind - what about 3 yrs down the road - will the engine sound as nice - and maintenance?

Keep in mind - they are overwork and the wear and tear is bound to happen faster than a bigger cc engine...

this 1.6l turbo is still new(i think) wait for 2-3 yrs and see if the owners complain ...higher noise level, part changes and what not - coz in the end they need to work extra "hard"...just like a human body...work hard labour under the sun and see what will happen..

 

Just my 2 cents - I would prefer a normal 2.0 anytime..

 

 

 

Hmm. You put it as if the turbo's for sub 1.6L cars are likened to steroids for our human body?

 

You get all the performance boost of a fitter person, but years down the road, you'll suffer the side-effects of consuming drugs???

 

 

[Mona-vie]

However, there is nothing stopping a small engine to be far more powerful than a bigger CC engine. You just need more boost. Eg. some WRX and EVOs have even more power than a stock Lambo. (over 700HP and 750Nm). Its also much lighter.

[Proton_neutron]

Are you sure its better than the IS250 engine?? It has 205HP and 252Nm torque. Certain versions has slightly higher figures at 212HP 260Nm. Thus I don't think the 1.4TSI can match it in anyway. Of course car weight and gear ratios play a part as well.

 

 

The 1.4TSI engine may match a 2.5V6 NA anytime, with regards to acceleration from 0-100kph/ 150kph.

 

But for endurance driving [long distance, like on the NSHW to KL from SIN], a NA big CC engine is much better compared to a small cc turboed.

 

 

[Proton_neutron]

However, there is nothing stopping a small engine to be far more powerful than a bigger CC engine. You just need more boost. Eg. some WRX and EVOs have even more power than a stock Lambo. (over 700HP and 750Nm). Its also much lighter.

 

 

But the statement, "There's no replacement for displacement" still holds in today's context.

 

Try having the WRX/ EVO that's modified to have more power than a Lambo go max out for long hours. The car/ engine would probably give up, for that's not what engineers of the WRX/ EVO meant the car to do.

 

 

[JaydenSTI]

Akin to small engine doing a big man's work!

I always have this in mind - what about 3 yrs down the road - will the engine sound as nice - and maintenance?

Keep in mind - they are overwork and the wear and tear is bound to happen faster than a bigger cc engine...

this 1.6l turbo is still new(i think) wait for 2-3 yrs and see if the owners complain ...higher noise level, part changes and what not - coz in the end they need to work extra "hard"...just like a human body...work hard labour under the sun and see what will happen..

 

Just my 2 cents - I would prefer a normal 2.0 anytime..

 

 

fully agreed.

 

Small engine with turbo no doubt is a plus, as they can challenge their high capacity rival anytime. But always remember, there is no replacement of displacement. high performance ride nowadays also going into turbo but with high engine capacity, such as the next M5.

 

if you wan comfy, high capacity is the only way to go, be it NA, TC or SC. but if u wan low maintenance, stay away from FI.

[Watwheels]

some quick question

 

there are 3 models in my mind - C4 Grand Picasso , Peugeot 5008 & VW Touran .....

 

i'm comparing them with my tucson in terms of carrying say 4 adults and 2 children , my ride seems to struggle with the weight although its an new improved 2 litre engine

 

 

what about those that are 1.6 & 1.4 turbo charged ? can they easily handle it effortlessly even with a lower capacity engine ? ?

 

please comment ..thanks

You do not just look at the hp or cc of the engine alone. You also have to consider the kerb weight of the car or what ppl call power to weight ratio. The way I look at the TC engine is about the amount of max Torque delivery at low rpm meaning the max amount of pulling power w/o revving the nuts off like in a NA engine to get the car moving with max load.

 

The typical TC 1.6L or 1.4L has about the same torque as a NA 2.5L or 2.3L depending on the state of tune or tune settings. As I said another major factor affecting the performance is also the kerb weight of the car. These are the 2 things to look out for, the max torque(Nm) delivery at low rpm and the car's kerb weight. Those will determine how effortlessly the car will handle with the load of your family.