Meguiars 2011

[Davc]

Highly anticipated

 

Tough coating like Sonax?

 

Microfiber pad. Like those by Surbuf? I just got some Surbuf but haven't try them yet, anyone has already?

This is designed to compound and polish with DA, with the same pad.

 

Not much details yet. They are so secretive.

 

*pictures from Meg Forum

Edited February 7, 2011 by Davc

[Fcuktion]

The M101 looks like a step down from M105?

 

For coatings i rather stick to brands like Gtechniq, Cquartz or Nanolex.

 

I have tried the 5.5 Surbuf with PC7424XP + M105.

 

It surely does remove alot of defects, i removed close to 95% defects on a slightly softer Nissan paint but i couldn't finish it marring-free.

 

Had to step down to a white pad + m205.

 

Need to try it out after some wet sand if its that good.

 

Will post up some pics later.

[Dragonl]

  On 2/7/2011 at 8:56 PM, Fcuktion said:

The M101 looks like a step down from M105?

 

For coatings i rather stick to brands like Gtechniq, Cquartz or Nanolex.

 

I have tried the 5.5 Surbuf with PC7424XP + M105.

 

It surely does remove alot of defects, i removed close to 95% defects on a slightly softer Nissan paint but i couldn't finish it marring-free.

 

Had to step down to a white pad + m205.

 

Need to try it out after some wet sand if its that good.

 

Will post up some pics later.

 

 

Mai know where u can buy the 3 products u mentioned? Pm me please

[Davc]

  On 2/7/2011 at 8:56 PM, Fcuktion said:

The M101 looks like a step down from M105?

 

For coatings i rather stick to brands like Gtechniq, Cquartz or Nanolex.

 

I have tried the 5.5 Surbuf with PC7424XP + M105.

 

It surely does remove alot of defects, i removed close to 95% defects on a slightly softer Nissan paint but i couldn't finish it marring-free.

 

Had to step down to a white pad + m205.

 

Need to try it out after some wet sand if its that good.

 

Will post up some pics later.

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

How about if we lower the rpm for finishing, perhaps less marring? Meaning start with speed 6, ending with speed 2-3?

 

 

[Nzy]

  On 2/8/2011 at 5:26 AM, Davc said:

Thanks for sharing.

 

How about if we lower the rpm for finishing, perhaps less marring? Meaning start with speed 6, ending with speed 2-3?

 

I have tried the surbuf also. Using the DA I did 4 passes at speed 4 then increased pressure and another 4 passes at speed 6. After that ended with another 4 passes at speed 2-3 with very little pressure. Managed to remove all the defects on a golf and did not leave any marring. But I think it would have been faster if I just changed pad instead of using this method.

[Davc]

  On 2/8/2011 at 11:27 AM, Nzy said:

I have tried the surbuf also. Using the DA I did 4 passes at speed 4 then increased pressure and another 4 passes at speed 6. After that ended with another 4 passes at speed 2-3 with very little pressure. Managed to remove all the defects on a golf and did not leave any marring. But I think it would have been faster if I just changed pad instead of using this method.

 

 

Today is the first time I am trying Surbuf with a XC3401, since it says that it is designed for DA.

 

First with M105 at Speed 6. When compared to a cutting pad and rotary, the Surbuf is still slower in removing defects. But it is easier as there isn't much heat generated. It is not like a rotary that you got to be more careful. Also it uses less material.

 

Then put a tape in the middle separating the panel. Use a new pad with Swissvax cleaner fluid pro at speed 2 on one side. I can see that with the side with the 2nd step has better clarity. What I noticed is that it breaks down the polish slower than a rotary. Of course some people do this 2nd step with M205.

 

Some forums say that it is not recommended for wax or buffing off. But have they tried Speed 1 on the machine?

 

[Nzy]

  On 2/8/2011 at 1:04 PM, Davc said:

Today is the first time I am trying Surbuf with a XC3401, since it says that it is designed for DA.

 

First with M105 at Speed 6. When compared to a cutting pad and rotary, the Surbuf is still slower in removing defects. But it is easier as there isn't much heat generated. It is not like a rotary that you got to be more careful. Also it uses less material.

 

Then put a tape in the middle separating the panel. Use a new pad with Swissvax cleaner fluid pro at speed 2 on one side. I can see that with the side with the 2nd step has better clarity. What I noticed is that it breaks down the polish slower than a rotary. Of course some people do this 2nd step with M205.

 

Some forums say that it is not recommended for wax or buffing off. But have they tried Speed 1 on the machine?

 

Have u tried decreasing the speed and using less pressure after working the polish using the surbuf pads? Seems that this will cause the paint to be clearer than if u just remove the defects using speed 6 all the way. This works even with other pads and polishes. Compared the panel where I used the surbuf pad to another panel using my normal method of using the polishing pad first then finishing pad, I cant really see much of a difference or maybe its the color of the car I was working on that hide some of the defects.

[Davc]

Still not enough cut to remove the scratches done by the maid on my wife's 320.

 

Too slow , put it back in to the car boot, pick up my PE14-2......Ah.....so good....hahaha.

 

My routine is either compound/polish/glaze/seal, 1 day later prime/wax/wax/wax, or skip the compound depending on situation.

Prime means SV cleaner fluid, then 3 layers of wax in the next 36 hours or so.

Still wonder how this Surbuf can fit in Maybe try application of sealant or use it like lambs wool on a rotary

[Nzy]

DA always alot slower than rotary at removing defects no matter what pads ma. This surbuf pad can use for polishing/glaze. Used it to apply srp before for someone who did not want to spend too much time correcting the swirls. Just wanted it to look nice for cny. Works very well. Seems like better than applying srp by hand.

[Fcuktion]

Davc: You pre order the PE14-2 also?? Worth the money? Looking for the smaller rotary, the makita's weight is always a strain to the arms.

 

I believe i would use the Surbuf for compounding the next time.

 

SRP is just like a paint cleaner right? Have got no experience with their cept their intensive bug and tar remover which i wasn't very impressed with in the area of tar remover, but for bugs is still pretty good.

 

[Davc]

  On 2/8/2011 at 8:22 PM, Fcuktion said:

Davc: You pre order the PE14-2 also?? Worth the money? Looking for the smaller rotary, the makita's weight is always a strain to the arms.

 

I didn't pre order. 2-3 weeks ago I called up Exbrite and they have 1 unit in stock, so I took it. To me it is worth it. This PE14-2 is lighter, quieter, and it has 90% of the torque of the L 602 VR.

 

 

Edited February 9, 2011 by Davc

[Nzy]

  On 2/8/2011 at 8:22 PM, Fcuktion said:

Davc: You pre order the PE14-2 also?? Worth the money? Looking for the smaller rotary, the makita's weight is always a strain to the arms.

 

I believe i would use the Surbuf for compounding the next time.

 

SRP is just like a paint cleaner right? Have got no experience with their cept their intensive bug and tar remover which i wasn't very impressed with in the area of tar remover, but for bugs is still pretty good.

 

Yup. SRP is more like AIO. Can clean the paint, has fillers, light abrasives and protects the paint alittle. But the durability is not good unless u put a sealant on top.

[Davc]

After one round of Surbuf, nothing much achieved:

 

One more round with rotary and cutting foam pad, but different area:

 

In the end, used wool pad with rotary. But ultimately will not advocate to remove all scratches completely, that will shorten the lifespan of the paint.

 

Photos taken with dental camera:

 

Actually this intraoral camera is unnecessary because with good lighting the scratches are visible, I just want to explore.

 

 

[Theddeus]

Any bor or sis got any feedback on meguiars polishing product can thinking to buy this brand of product ?

[Davc]

Their detailing products (Professional Range) are very good.

 

The DIY range for normal consumers has a very wide range of products, some are very good, some are normal.

[Fcuktion]

There's a detailed write up about the megs da mf polishing system on detailed image.

[S7rik3R]

  On 2/9/2011 at 2:58 PM, Davc said:

After one round of Surbuf, nothing much achieved:

 

 

 

One more round with rotary and cutting foam pad, but different area:

 

 

In the end, used wool pad with rotary. But ultimately will not advocate to remove all scratches completely, that will shorten the lifespan of the paint.

 

Photos taken with dental camera:

 

 

Actually this intraoral camera is unnecessary because with good lighting the scratches are visible, I just want to explore.

 

 

Wow ... So Pro Man. I didn't even think that Dental Scanning Camera can capture that fine.

[Eddy_theddeus]

Anyone can advise when do we need to use wood pad ?