Euro Turbo, Jap Hybrid, the new direction?

[Friendstar]

It seems to me that major european brands are going into turbo-charged (or FI) engines, with even BMW introducing turbo into its entry level 2 litre 4 cylinders.

 

while the Jap powerhouses (Honda/Toyota) are wholeheartedly in the hybrid route...

 

 

will this be the direction forward? that brands belonging to each continent carving a niche in the auto industry.

 

 

will we not see a turbo toyota/honda ever?

 

ps: i do understand that the directions manufacturer choose are always align to government legistration.

[Delrosa81]

It seems to me that major european brands are going into turbo-charged (or FI) engines, with even BMW introducing turbo into its entry level 2 litre 4 cylinders.

 

while the Jap powerhouses (Honda/Toyota) are wholeheartedly in the hybrid route...

 

 

will this be the direction forward? that brands belonging to each continent carving a niche in the auto industry.

 

 

will we not see a turbo toyota/honda ever?

 

ps: i do understand that the directions manufacturer choose are always align to government legistration.

 

Yes, it seems that the euro cars are turning to turbo charging to lower emissions, enhance power and is more green in terms of fuel consumption and emissions.

Japs are turning to hybrid.

 

I guess it all boils down to geographical influences of the countries when they make decisions on the kinda power train when designing their vehicles. In Europe, the distance is relatively long, and light pressure turbos seems to be more suited for their application. Whereas on the other hand, in Japan, they are more focused on city driving, therefore there will be more start stops, slow downs which can charge the hybrid motors battery more frequently. More suitable for their application.

 

 

[Wt_know]

angmoh is hunger for high performance.

to meet lower emmission regulation and yet to satisfy the hunger for high performance, TC/SC is the solution !

instead of 4L or 5L NA, TC/SC a 2.5L & 3L more maximum power

Edited February 14, 2011 by Wt_know

[JaydenSTI]

to me the jap always the leader in technology, while the european enhance the technology for better use.

 

however, it seems they are having different approach in the turbo design, while the jap (before hybrid tech) go all out for insane power while the european uses the tech for better driveability (lower fuel consumption as well).

 

The european turbo tech is inline with the jap hybrid, just different approach. but turbo is still the way to go as battery tech is still too green and costly now.......

[Wt_know]

fully agreed that turbo is the way to go.

my best bet is 1.8L or 2L turbo for maximum power to move a 5 seater sedan effortlessly with optimum power-to-weight ratio

 

to me the jap always the leader in technology, while the european enhance the technology for better use.

 

however, it seems they are having different approach in the turbo design, while the jap (before hybrid tech) go all out for insane power while the european uses the tech for better driveability (lower fuel consumption as well).

 

The european turbo tech is inline with the jap hybrid, just different approach. but turbo is still the way to go as battery tech is still too green and costly now.......

Edited February 14, 2011 by Wt_know

[Bigbadguy]

Yeh.. Seems like Force induction is the way to go.. a 1.4-1.6l producing enough power to match a 2.0l will be better for emmission n for our pocket.. With light boost of 0.4bar to 0.5bar will be sufficient for a mid size family seden or a mpv..

[Srt911]

One good example is the Mercedes Benz with their new CGI engine. Its a 1.8L turbo charge unit currently in use from the C180 to E250.

Seems like turbo-charging is the new way to go for conti cars!

[Passion]

Turbo charging should be the way to go compare to hybrid.Read somewhere that to go hybrid,we don't know pollute how much before attaining the saving. Reading one bro posting,which i agree. Ang moh like power whereas asian like to go city driving. Maybe a metaphor can explain. I think it's somehow similar to both jap and ang moh love porn,but ang mo will go and design viagra to extend their powess even after their ejaculation. Whereas jap love porn too,but they like to rub rub and then bang.One is fast to attain,the other is slowly but surely can attain.

[Grix17]

Now, Europeans having hybrid + turbo/supercharged.

Look at the latest V60 in turbodiesel+hybrid form. 1.9L/100 km, CO2 less than 50 g/km.

For all the technical knowledge of the Japanese, they are not creative risk-takers.

They just keep improving and refining a tried and tested method - the Lexus CT200h is a classic example.

 

I for one am bucking the trend and going from hybrid to low-pressure turbo.

Edited February 14, 2011 by Grix17

[Safetyfirst]

so what is hybrid going to cost us upfront $ $ $ ?

 

and

 

so what is turbo going to cost us upfront ?

[Shull]

to me the jap always the leader in technology, while the european enhance the technology for better use.

 

however, it seems they are having different approach in the turbo design, while the jap (before hybrid tech) go all out for insane power while the european uses the tech for better driveability (lower fuel consumption as well).

 

The european turbo tech is inline with the jap hybrid, just different approach. but turbo is still the way to go as battery tech is still too green and costly now.......

 

But if no one takes the first step, the hybrid technology will never grow right?

 

 

so what is hybrid going to cost us upfront $ $ $ ?

 

and

 

so what is turbo going to cost us upfront ?

 

At this point of time, Hybrid is still gonna cost more -- both in terms of financially and environmentally. But as the technology matures, the costs will definitely gonna go down.

Edited February 14, 2011 by Shull

[Safetyfirst]

perhaps we are selfish ? ? ?

[Safetyfirst]

we still need to be practical

[Safetyfirst]

maybe the "luxury / executive" cars can lead the way as they have more margin to9 play around with . . . .

[inlinesix]

But if no one takes the first step, the hybrid technology will never grow right?

Hybrid is a transition technology b4 car maker find a proper replacement for fossil fuel.

 

IMHO, Hybrid might be more environmental unfriendly due to rare earth element required. Currently, these rare earth is controlled by PRC.

 

On the other hand, turbo diesel might be more environmental friendly due to Euro V implementation. With the implementation of Euro V, i am not sure whether soot level will reduce.

[Wt_know]

selfish, no. practical, yes because clean energy is expensive.

 

we still need to be practical

Edited February 14, 2011 by Wt_know