Why diesel-powered cars are better

[Shull]

SINGAPORE: Experts are calling them the most practical solution for "green" motoring today.

 

Modern diesel-powered vehicles, they say, represent the "bridging technology" that's needed before electric vehicles become commonplace.

 

It's estimated that if half of all vehicles on Singapore roads had modern diesel engines, 183,000 tonnes less of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, would be emitted each year.

 

Global Marketing & Sales e-mobility Asia Pacific assistant vice president Alexander Kraus said: "Standard petrol cars, I would say, would need about eight litres of petrol for 100 kilometres.

 

"And a diesel car can run the same distance with about five litres, or, with the same amount of fuel, like eight litres, you can run up to 140 kilometres".

 

So with better fuel efficiency and less carbon footprints, why aren't more switching to diesel?

 

Singapore Environment Council executive director Howard Shaw said: "The general perception is diesel vehicles are still pollutive, and they don't perform as well as petrol-driven vehicles.

 

"But for modern, clean diesel, that's no longer the case. In fact, consumption for modern clean diesel can improve by as much as 40 per cent compared to petrol".

 

-CNA/wk

 

Are these so called experts dumb or what?

Cos diesel is not taxed, unlike petrol... DUH!!!

[Mllcg]

Aren't diesel cars that dont meet the EURO VI Standard taxed? And if thats the case? Why is petrol taxed if its cleaner than Diesel?

[Grix17]

Yes, I wonder too.

 

What is the purpose of Petrol duty? To earn money or to regulate pricing / demand?

Similarly, the Diesel tax seems to be present to deter people from switching to Diesel cars OR to make up for the loss of Petrol duty.

There are so many diesel-powered goods vehicles, lorries and buses already.

 

If Europe is prevalent with diesel cars, I don't see why we cannot adopt a similar approach.

 

Are health concerns still the reason? Even then, if the cars meet emission standards, they are certainly cleaner than most of our public buses.

 

LTA is really slow-moving when it comes to policy-making.

Do they have to wait for the issue to be debated in Parliament?

 

[Beehive3783]

Petrol tax is definitely for the govt's coffers..

[Beehive3783]

Same goes for diesel car tax

[Joseph22]

Diesel apparently is not very clean hence gahmen dont want to encourage.

IIRC Read one report before that even though diesel car is producing lesser CO2 now but anoter substance, think its surplur or something is still emitted amd supposingly cancer inducing.

[Good-Carbuyer]

I do not see many diesel cars in motor showrooms?

?Any idea which showrrom got smaller engine diesel car on display?

[Watwheels]

The so called "better" & "cleaner" are all bullcrap. These are words originated from car manufacturers which I call it as marketing strategy.

 

Why they never mentioned the Black Carbon or black particulates diesel engine produce during combustion?? Is this anyway "greener" dan CO2 gas? Sure, you can quote to me the device which looks like a catalytic converter which collects the black carbon as the exhaust gas pass thru it and slow burns the black carbon using the heat from the exhaust gas. But who are we kidding anyway? How long does it take to slow burn the back carbon in sgp city driving & short distance driving pattern? Btw the less polluting figures could only be met if premium diesel is used which could be as ex as premium petrol if introduced to our shores. The engines still produce CO2....yes, lesser dan petrol engine of the same capacity.... plus black carbon. As long as it's a fossil fuel, I do not see it as "green".

 

Although diesel does give the better bang for the buck in terms of mileage but it's still far from great like what these ppl say. Plus our govt will never make any type of cars look attractive to buy and own to prevent car population from overcrowding regardless of how efficient, how green or how fantastic the cars are.

 

Ppl should wake up and smell the coffee if they still have no idea what's going on after so many years.

Edited January 14, 2011 by Watwheels

[Vhtfhwlego]

I do not see many diesel cars in motor showrooms?

?Any idea which showrrom got smaller engine diesel car on display?

VW Polo...

[Yaloryalor]

I would think diesel is better cos... it is cheaper than petrol! haha..

[Ichibawa]

VW Polo...

 

VW Polo Bluemotion

[Vhtfhwlego]

Although diesel does give the better bang for the buck in terms of mileage but it's still far from great like what these ppl say. Plus our govt will never make any type of cars look attractive to buy and own to prevent car population from overcrowding regardless of how efficient, how green or how fantastic the cars are.Ppl should wake up and smell the coffee if they still have no idea what's going on after so many years.

Then why do we care about going green in the first place when LTA is not bother by

[Grix17]

Diesel apparently is not very clean hence gahmen dont want to encourage.

IIRC Read one report before that even though diesel car is producing lesser CO2 now but anoter substance, think its surplur or something is still emitted amd supposingly cancer inducing.

 

I think the govt should clarify its stand on this.

There are so many goods vehicles producing BLACK smoke, let alone finer particulate matter and unknown carcinogenic compounds.

I find this a convenient excuse to keep the diesel tax as it is, even though it has been reduced.

 

I believe that if car companies are gradually introducing diesel cars that meet Euro VI standards (eg. Audi, VW, Merc), such cars should have their diesel tax reduced further. On the other hand, those older vehicles that don't even meet Euro IV standards should be taxed higher, including goods vehicles. This makes more sense.

 

LTA rules always seem to be a "one-size-fits-all" policy. Still sounds so LKY.

 

PS:

I still have a grouse about paying more road tax for my hybrid ($700/yr more than petrol version).

Their calculation method using Power Rating is not accurate as mine has front & rear motors (calculation adds the combined power).

[Joseph22]

If their van is using euro iv their tax are already lowered.

[Vhtfhwlego]

VW Polo Bluemotion

Just compare Polo 1.2 Sports & Bluemotion.

RT: 504 / 2008.

Cost for petrol and diesel

98: 2.040 / Diesel: 1.453

F/C: 18.8km / 30.3km (specs).

 

Annual Mileage 20,000 for both drivers.

Cost for petrol/diesel : $2170.21+RT= $2674.21 / $959.07+RT = $2967.07

 

Annual Mileage 30,000 for both drivers.

Cost for petrol/diesel : $3255.32+RT= $3759.32 / $1438.61+RT = $3446.61

 

So in order to have some "savings", the average driver would requires to travel over 30K per annual.

However as there is no power for the diesel model and any driver which spent so much time on the road will be "chasing time" hence using more diesel by hasher driving styles.

Smart buyers will choose the normal Polo for a mere savings of $300 per annual if travelling such distances is require.

[Mllcg]

I think the govt should clarify its stand on this.

There are so many goods vehicles producing BLACK smoke, let alone finer particulate matter and unknown carcinogenic compounds.

I find this a convenient excuse to keep the diesel tax as it is, even though it has been reduced.

 

I believe that if car companies are gradually introducing diesel cars that meet Euro VI standards (eg. Audi, VW, Merc), such cars should have their diesel tax reduced further. On the other hand, those older vehicles that don't even meet Euro IV standards should be taxed higher, including goods vehicles. This makes more sense.

 

LTA rules always seem to be a "one-size-fits-all" policy. Still sounds so LKY.

 

PS:

I still have a grouse about paying more road tax for my hybrid ($700/yr more than petrol version).

Their calculation method using Power Rating is not accurate as mine has front & rear motors (calculation adds the combined power).

 

hybrid costs more? wow... wtf

[TandemAssassin]

There is no use promoting green vehicles in SG because the majority of Singaporean drivers are not interested unless it affects their wallet.

 

That is why the best selling diesel is actually the Jag, because it is actually more economical than the petrol version and about the same performance. How many of those buyers bought it because they thought diesel was less pollutive? What about those who buy the Hybrid Lexus?

 

Truth is even the greener versions of these cars will still be outdone in emissions or consumption by a small hatchback. The people bought it because they want a premium car but got the greener version because it made sense financially. If the petrol version was much cheaper, the green version would not even sell.

 

I will admit though, I am just as bad as them. Because my main concern when buying a car is how good it drives, safety & cost. Emissions? Bottom of my list.

 

 

 

 

[Mllcg]

I think the govt should clarify its stand on this.

There are so many goods vehicles producing BLACK smoke, let alone finer particulate matter and unknown carcinogenic compounds.

I find this a convenient excuse to keep the diesel tax as it is, even though it has been reduced.

 

I believe that if car companies are gradually introducing diesel cars that meet Euro VI standards (eg. Audi, VW, Merc), such cars should have their diesel tax reduced further. On the other hand, those older vehicles that don't even meet Euro IV standards should be taxed higher, including goods vehicles. This makes more sense.

 

LTA rules always seem to be a "one-size-fits-all" policy. Still sounds so LKY.

 

PS:

I still have a grouse about paying more road tax for my hybrid ($700/yr more than petrol version).

Their calculation method using Power Rating is not accurate as mine has front & rear motors (calculation adds the combined power).

 

actually, the new diesel tax is 2x the normal yearly roadtax. so get a small cc diesel car, u can actually save in the long run