I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT SINGAPORE !

[Vextan]

Precisely we need check n balance to make sure the MIW dont make mistakes and lose a big chunk of the reserves.... do you still remember the blunters they made in some mega investments? Please dont tell us these are honest mistakes and no one is perfect.

and who build up the reserves over the years ? tell me, which investor or invetsment conplany in the world can never make any losing investments but make every investment decision correct ? have you played shares or any form of investment yourself ?

[KARTer]

and who build up the reserves over the years ? tell me, which investor or invetsment conplany in the world can never make any losing investments but make every investment decision correct ? have you played shares or any form of investment yourself ?

bro, the specific mistakes they made were avoidable if they were half as capable as they claimed to be... no need to confuse "share-playing" with prudent investment.... whether they built up the reserves or not, they still have to be accountable for the avoidable losses they have caused and not sweeping things under the carpet. If they used their own money to build up the reserves and then lose it, maybe there's not much accountability to talk about. But they used the nation ie the people's money all along.

[Vextan]

Realistically, you dont have to worry that the MIW will be voted out overnight.... we just need enough opposition voices in the parliment to provide check&balance... isn't this what parliment is about?..... this is good in the long run for sgp.

 

There's no quarantee the future bunch of MIW will be as capable (not to mention be better) than the current bunch (btw can you guarantee it?), if the MIW is given overwhelming majority in the parliment, things can go really wrong if there's no one to check and confront them. Wake them up and ask them admit and face up to their mistakes before it's too late. If they start to create a mess, they need to be told to fix it while the damages are still manageable.

 

We need whistle blowers in the parliment to protect singapore's future as well as the ordinary men. You don't see the need for check & balance? Why?

if everyone thinks the same as you and vote for any opposition, wouldnt it be voted out ? shouldnt we vote for an opposition base on credential, and not base on 'we just need opposition' ? until and when a deserving candidate stands out, i will go for the trusted and proven.

 

indeed there is no guarantee the future miw will be capable, but the track record of the current bunch is evident, shoudnt we give them the credit and hence the benefit of doubt when ome to succession ? i agree check and balance in place is good, but wake them up and make them admit their mistake, what big mistakes ? what big mess do you foreseen you tell me, instead of just giving such vague scenario. until now what big mess has been created ?

Edited January 4, 2011 by Vextan

[Vextan]

 

I think most of us is contented with what we have now .

However , the ground people are discontented with their policies which will greatly affect our future and future genarations. Dont you feel that this country is now more divided. We have the " poor " who is struggling to meet ends needs , the " mid class " who doesnt know why SG is worth defending , the " FTs class" who say they love everything about Singapore but doesnt seem to love Singaporean !

, the " gaymen " who are making things wrose by spending millions of taxes trying to intergate the various groups the wrong way. The BIGGER picture look ugly

 

I love everything about Singapore and I love Singaporean too ! How are they going to love Singapore if they doesnt love Singaporean ? Must love all kind of Singaporean , the poor , the rich , the middle class , the old , the sick , the ah neh , the ah tiong ..... love them all , can you ? can they ?

every developing and developed country is sure to face the wideing income gap situation one, s'pore is not spared. this is a by product of the system. it is like a pyramid whereby the few rich people owns a bigger percentage of the total wealth than the total owned by the vast majority. but the rich will create jobs and in turn help to push the income of the commonors up. if we expect a society whereby everyone earns the same pay and the weath level is about the same, we are going back to communism. if so, then china wouldnt have open up the economy liao. because in an open economy, everyone has an equal chance to be successful, and not base on equal sharing basis. look ay how china is progressing. and dont tell me they dont have widening income gap issue ?

Edited January 4, 2011 by Vextan

[KARTer]

if everyone thinks the same as you and vote for any opposition, wouldnt it be voted out ? shouldnt we vote for an opposition base on credential, and not base on 'we just need opposition' ? until and when a deserving candidate stands out, i will go for the trusted and proven.

 

indeed there is no guarantee the future miw will be capable, but the track record of the current bunch is evident, shoudnt we give them the credit and hence the benefit of doubt when ome to succession ? i agree check and balance in place is good, but wake them up and make them admit their mistake, what big mistakes ? what big mess do you foreseen you tell me, instead of just giving such vague scenario. until now what big mess has been created ?

Give the underdog opposition a chance to grow in parliment. Even if they may not reach the level of providing alternative government, at least they provide what you also agree is good:- Check&Balance.

 

If we dont allow a kid to learn to walk, dont expect him to run.

 

One party parliment? -----------> absolute power corrupts

 

Everyone thinks the same and vote for oppositions and therefore MIW gets kicked out?.... you want to bet?.... this is the lame threat MIW and their supportors have been giving to protect themselves.

[Vextan]

but isnt now the electoral system whereby the highest percentage of the losing candidate will be elected as nmp ? thats why we do have some oppositions int he parliament. although they may not be a big forceto be reckon with, they are in the position to do the job of check and balance, and if to date they have not riaased any alarms, it is because either they are not doing their job, or simply there is nothing to raise of.

 

you are suggetsing that we place a untested and unknown candidate in the driving seat akin to a big organisation as chief of finance, or ceo, so as to give him the chance to learn and prove ? you kidding right ? no one will do this kind of suicidal act, the stake is too high. and clearly you cannot even tell me what big mess and big mistake they have created to justify your proposition.

 

you say one power party leads to corruption but it is a fact that our gahment is the most corruption free in the world. we should be proud we defy this illogical logic. just look at chen shui bian, lookat the number of china secretaries being hung, japan political bribery, korean former president , former presidents of philippines, indonesia, and the prevailing situation in malaysia ... what have we been ashmed off ? to me , the million dollar salary is justified and nothing as compared to how other countries president has wiped many billions of dollars from their country, and left their country in poverty for decades.

Edited January 4, 2011 by Vextan

[Jasonjst]

every developing and developed country is sure to face the wideing income gap situation one, s'pore is not spared. this is a by product of the system. it is like a pyramid whereby the few rich people owns a bigger percentage of the total wealth than the total owned by the vast majority. but the rich will create jobs and in turn help to push the income of the commonors up. if we expect a society whereby everyone earns the same pay and the weath level is about the same, we are going back to communism. if so, then china wouldnt have open up the economy liao. because in an open economy, everyone has an equal chance to be successful, and not base on equal sharing basis. look ay how china is progressing. and dont tell me they dont have widening income gap issue ?

 

Did my post mention anything about widening income gap issue ?

 

[KARTer]

but isnt now the electoral system whereby the highest percentage of the losing candidate will be elected as nmp ? thats why we do have some oppositions int he parliament. although they may not be a big forceto be reckon with, they are in the position to do the job of check and balance, and if to date they have not riaased any alarms, it is because either they are not doing their job, or simply there is nothing to raise of.

 

you are suggetsing that we place a untested and unknown candidate in the driving seat akin to a big organisation as chief of finance, or ceo, so as to give him the chance to learn and prove ? you kidding right ? no one will do this kind of suicidal act, the stake is too high. and clearly you cannot even tell me what big mess and big mistake they have created to justify your proposition.

 

you say one power party leads to corruption but it is a fact that our gahment is the most corruption free in the world. we should be proud we defy this illogical logic. just look at chen shui bian, lookat the number of china secretaries being hung, japan political bribery, korean former president , former presidents of philippines, indonesia, and the prevailing situation in malaysia ... what have we been ashmed off ? to me , the million dollar salary is justified and nothing as compared to how other countries president has wiped many billions of dollars from their country, and left their country in poverty for decades.

bro, relaxed.....

No need to put words into my mouth as giving the oppostion a chance does not mean voting blindly and let any tomdick&harry become MPs, we can choose and vote the oppositions we feel have the potential (though untested) into the parliment to increase the number of MPs to provide effective check&balance.

 

We recognise the fact that most capable and committed potential MPs find it easier and more convenient to join the big boy aka MIW instead of fighting an uphill battle as an opposition and underdog. We can give these guys a chance / support to stand as opposition so that they dont have to toe the party-line of MIW when things are not done correctly.

[relacker]

if everyone thinks the same as you and vote for any opposition, wouldnt it be voted out ? shouldnt we vote for an opposition base on credential, and not base on 'we just need opposition' ? until and when a deserving candidate stands out, i will go for the trusted and proven.

 

indeed there is no guarantee the future miw will be capable, but the track record of the current bunch is evident, shoudnt we give them the credit and hence the benefit of doubt when ome to succession ? i agree check and balance in place is good, but wake them up and make them admit their mistake, what big mistakes ? what big mess do you foreseen you tell me, instead of just giving such vague scenario. until now what big mess has been created ?

 

 

 

vote them in more as deterrent to miw's anti citizens policies, not really as what they can do since resources are all controlled by miw. seriosuly the public/civil service in every country serve the ppl and is neutral to all political parties but here is is subservient to thunder party. so it is not a fair comparison since miw has all the tax payers resources, media and all the civil service support while the opp has none.

 

wan to know if opp can do better then have to make both have the same resources

[relacker]

if everyone thinks the same as you and vote for any opposition, wouldnt it be voted out ? shouldnt we vote for an opposition base on credential, and not base on 'we just need opposition' ? until and when a deserving candidate stands out, i will go for the trusted and proven.

 

indeed there is no guarantee the future miw will be capable, but the track record of the current bunch is evident, shoudnt we give them the credit and hence the benefit of doubt when ome to succession ? i agree check and balance in place is good, but wake them up and make them admit their mistake, what big mistakes ? what big mess do you foreseen you tell me, instead of just giving such vague scenario. until now what big mess has been created ?

 

 

 

vote them in more as deterrent to miw's anti citizens policies, not really as what they can do since resources are all controlled by miw. seriosuly the public/civil service in every country serve the ppl and is neutral to all political parties but here is is subservient to thunder party. so it is not a fair comparison since miw has all the tax payers resources, media and all the civil service support while the opp has none.

 

wan to know if opp can do better then have to make both have the same resources

[relacker]

if everyone thinks the same as you and vote for any opposition, wouldnt it be voted out ? shouldnt we vote for an opposition base on credential, and not base on 'we just need opposition' ? until and when a deserving candidate stands out, i will go for the trusted and proven.

 

indeed there is no guarantee the future miw will be capable, but the track record of the current bunch is evident, shoudnt we give them the credit and hence the benefit of doubt when ome to succession ? i agree check and balance in place is good, but wake them up and make them admit their mistake, what big mistakes ? what big mess do you foreseen you tell me, instead of just giving such vague scenario. until now what big mess has been created ?

 

 

 

vote them in more as deterrent to miw's anti citizens policies, not really as what they can do since resources are all controlled by miw. seriosuly the public/civil service in every country serve the ppl and is neutral to all political parties but here is is subservient to thunder party. so it is not a fair comparison since miw has all the tax payers resources, media and all the civil service support while the opp has none.

 

wan to know if opp can do better then have to make both have the same resources

[KARTer]

bro, relaxed.....

No need to put words into my mouth as giving the oppostion a chance does not mean voting blindly and let any tomdick&harry become MPs, we can choose and vote the oppositions we feel have the potential (though untested) into the parliment to increase the number of MPs to provide effective check&balance.

 

We recognise the fact that most capable and committed potential MPs find it easier and more convenient to join the big boy aka MIW instead of fighting an uphill battle as an opposition and underdog. We can give these guys a chance / support to stand as opposition so that they dont have be part of the MIW clan and have to toe the party-line of MIW when things are not done correctly.

 

[questionedfish]

if everyone thinks the same as you and vote for any opposition, wouldnt it be voted out ? shouldnt we vote for an opposition base on credential, and not base on 'we just need opposition' ? until and when a deserving candidate stands out, i will go for the trusted and proven.

 

indeed there is no guarantee the future miw will be capable, but the track record of the current bunch is evident, shoudnt we give them the credit and hence the benefit of doubt when ome to succession ? i agree check and balance in place is good, but wake them up and make them admit their mistake, what big mistakes ? what big mess do you foreseen you tell me, instead of just giving such vague scenario. until now what big mess has been created ?

 

i think that's the case, as least for some ppl. we need some opposition to make some cluttering and noise. monopoly anywhere is not good.

[Scoots]

if everyone thinks the same as you and vote for any opposition, wouldnt it be voted out ? shouldnt we vote for an opposition base on credential, and not base on 'we just need opposition' ? until and when a deserving candidate stands out, i will go for the trusted and proven.

 

indeed there is no guarantee the future miw will be capable, but the track record of the current bunch is evident, shoudnt we give them the credit and hence the benefit of doubt when ome to succession ? i agree check and balance in place is good, but wake them up and make them admit their mistake, what big mistakes ? what big mess do you foreseen you tell me, instead of just giving such vague scenario. until now what big mess has been created ?

 

Truasted and proven?

 

A Transport Minister who had proven himself wrong when he stated that CTE did not need to be widened but parroted his predecessor's one-solution-to-all traffic jams (ie ERP).. only to take back his assessment later and widen the CTE

A Minister for Home Affairs who had proven that his team is capable of allowing a terrorist from escaping from a high security facility while on a toilet break

A Minister for National Development who had proven that he was not able to anticipate the housing crunch even when he sits in the same government that opened the door to the sea of PRs and 'FTs' into Singapore

A Community Development, Youth and Sports Minister who had proven that he can blow a budget by 3 times

 

Indeed, the track record of the current batch is evident ... vote wisely

[Kiadaw]

Truasted and proven?

 

A Transport Minister who had proven himself wrong when he stated that CTE did not need to be widened but parroted his predecessor's one-solution-to-all traffic jams (ie ERP).. only to take back his assessment later and widen the CTE

A Minister for Home Affairs who had proven that his team is capable of allowing a terrorist from escaping from a high security facility while on a toilet break

A Minister for National Development who had proven that he was not able to anticipate the housing crunch even when he sits in the same government that opened the door to the sea of PRs and 'FTs' into Singapore

A Community Development, Youth and Sports Minister who had proven that he can blow a budget by 3 times

 

Indeed, the track record of the current batch is evident ... vote wisely

 

Everyone make mistake. I make a lot of mistake in work too. Just this morning, I have oversea calls checking with me on some of the documents I summited. Damn, there was some mistakes here & there. Wrong quality, forgot to add something, ... These are no big mistakes (thankfully), & I return to them with the correct information, & admit my carelessness.

 

Most of these documents are not even done by me. But its my responsibility as I didn't check through enough, given the huge amount, & lack of manpower, plus tight schedule, its a big task.

 

But that is not the fault of my client. That is for me, for my company to sort out, & also I must think of ways to minimize the mistakes again.

 

My point is, we can understand mistakes being made, but what a lot of people cannot tolerate is the apparent lack of accountability, & sense of responsibility shown. So many issue blushed of easily, blame weather, blame subordinates, everything but themselves.

 

Words like "Honest Mistake", "50 years once Flooding". "We should move on". " Look at the how well we did the YOG, & don't nitpick the small mistake". etc. I am sure a lot of people can think of more.

 

There is an old Chinese saying, Rewards & punishment must be dealt with separately. 2 right doesn't undo one wrong, you cannot use your success to cover over your mistake. You did good, you get your fair rewards, when you are fault, you admit them, & correct them.

 

Is that a lot to ask for?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tigershark1976]

i keep seeing such topic recently in MCF... i keep thinking, did we bark at the wrong tree?

 

We keep comparing Singaporean vs FT. We believe that Singaporean should enjoy more, but does it solved the problem? i dont think so. Cos majority of the population in SG is still singaporean. So how to give privilleges to the majority? history showed us that only privillege to the minority is sustainable. otherwise, our country will collapes sooner or later...

 

So, If Want to fight, should fight for the "pure blood" instead?

 

so, how to diferentiate the "pure blood" from others? he/she must be born in SG, and the parents, grand parents, great grand parents must be singaporean born in SG... with such restriction... i believe less than 50% of the population is qualified to enjoy special previlleges....

 

Edited January 5, 2011 by Tigershark1976

[KARTer]

Everyone make mistake. I make a lot of mistake in work too. Just this morning, I have oversea calls checking with me on some of the documents I summited. Damn, there was some mistakes here & there. Wrong quality, forgot to add something, ... These are no big mistakes (thankfully), & I return to them with the correct information, & admit my carelessness.

 

Most of these documents are not even done by me. But its my responsibility as I didn't check through enough, given the huge amount, & lack of manpower, plus tight schedule, its a big task.

 

But that is not the fault of my client. That is for me, for my company to sort out, & also I must think of ways to minimize the mistakes again.

 

My point is, we can understand mistakes being made, but what a lot of people cannot tolerate is the apparent lack of accountability, & sense of responsibility shown. So many issue blushed of easily, blame weather, blame subordinates, everything but themselves.

 

Words like "Honest Mistake", "50 years once Flooding". "We should move on". " Look at the how well we did the YOG, & don't nitpick the small mistake". etc. I am sure a lot of people can think of more.

 

There is an old Chinese saying, Rewards & punishment must be dealt with separately. 2 right doesn't undo one wrong, you cannot use your success to cover over your mistake. You did good, you get your fair rewards, when you are fault, you admit them, & correct them.

 

Is that a lot to ask for?

 

When we were kids, we were taught to be honest and admit our mistakes, make good, and then move on.... now: the higher the position and salary, the more likely these 'leaders' will pass the blame to everyone else and move on, without admitting or making good the mistakes....

Edited January 5, 2011 by KARTer

[KARTer]

i keep seeing such topic recently in MCF... i keep thinking, did we bark at the wrong tree?

 

We keep comparing Singaporean vs FT. We believe that Singaporean should enjoy more, but does it solved the problem? i dont think so. Cos majority of the population in SG is still singaporean. So how to give privilleges to the majority? history showed us that only privillege to the minority is sustainable. otherwise, our country will collapes sooner or later...

 

So, If Want to fight, should fight for the "pure blood" instead?

 

so, how to diferentiate the "pure blood" from others? he/she must be born in SG, and the parents, grand parents, great grand parents must be singaporean born in SG... with such restriction... i believe less than 50% of the population is qualified to enjoy special previlleges....

The purest 'blood' = original residents......... but the last one was shot dead in the 1920s if I m not wrong.... the famous temasek tiger .... or the Lion??

 

Seriously, an easier way to identify the 'pure blood' maybe is to check if he's done his NS?? ....... for females, i dont have the answer, to be honest