New VW Touran!

[Crazecow]

The reliability of the 7 speed DSG is not there yet. Many at VAGSG have reported this problem.

 

Agreed man. 7 speed DSG is something to avoid till they can sort out its reliability.

[Jeronlee]

Then, the cruise control and fog lights and leather multi function steering were important to me. Asked abt it, hey you can add them as optional!!!

hi AK,

 

i assume you did not take the ex-stock but chose to wait for the feb onwards shipment in order to have the above options?

 

i'm quite bothered by the lack of multi function steering too. would be more than happy to pay for it if it can be added to the existing stock. can't afford to wait cos need to hand over my current car by jan and my whole family will curse me if we don't have a car for CNY.

[Sleepy-T]

VW is touted as the least reliable car in one of the reports iirc......

so does BMW

[SimonTan]

Same loan installment and period??

Please clarify further.

Since you said your old car will be two years old when you receive your new car, so am i right to say that your loan period will also be extended by two more years?

 

Meaning your old car your take 7 yrs loan. And the new car also take seven years loan.

So technically the switch in the car, only cause you additional two years of loan repayment?

 

 

 

[Ak7887]

nope, with added optionals, delivery in march. there's no ex stocks for the new model. earliest delivery in jan. mine in march cos of the opt add ons.

[Jeronlee]

nope, with added optionals, delivery in march. there's no ex stocks for the new model. earliest delivery in jan. mine in march cos of the opt add ons.

ic. if only i could wait. i'd definitely take up the option and probably the sunroof too.

 

for ex-stock, there's only black, grey and silver to choose. my current ride is grey and both my wife and i find silver boring so we picked black.

 

how about you? picked any exciting colour since yours will custom-made from factory.

[Ak7887]

yes bro, u r right.

[Rtth84]

so does BMW

 

and Merc and Renault and all those Conti Brands. Especially those with Automatic Transmissions. Reliability is an overrated word.

[Ak7887]

ic. if only i could wait. i'd definitely take up the option and probably the sunroof too.

 

for ex-stock, there's only black, grey and silver to choose. my current ride is grey and both my wife and i find silver boring so we picked black.

 

how about you? picked any exciting colour since yours will custom-made from factory.

 

hi jerolee, surprisingly only two additional colours available, brown and silverlight which is like white. going for silverlight.

[Singhao]

Some folks care a lot about OMV. One reason is that it impacts on paper value. Another reason is that it tells you how much the dealer mark up over basic costs. For e.g., VW's mark up can be quite substantial. If you deregister the car shortly after purchase, usually you will lose the entire component of dealer mark up. For such people, a low dealer margin = value for money. You get more paper value for the same market price.

 

I really don't understand why car buyers are so against above market profit margins/lower OMVs. I've mentioned before, OMV has not much relevance other than to find out the depreciation of the car if you are scrapping it.

 

If you drive for 10 yrs and scrap it, the real difference at the end of the day is only 50% of OMV. If you are going to sell it on the used car market, the resale prices have little to do with the OMV. Just check out the depreciation on some 'high OMV' marques. It can actually be worse than other 'low OMV' marques.

 

OMV is NOT the cost of manufacturing the vehicle. It is the price that your dealer paid for the vehicle. There are other parties who made profits along the way to finally bring the vehicle to you. I don't think you would think of how much your dealer profited from selling you the car as you drive each day right?

 

[Yeshe]

I really don't understand why car buyers are so against above market profit margins/lower OMVs. I've mentioned before, OMV has not much relevance other than to find out the depreciation of the car if you are scrapping it.

 

If you drive for 10 yrs and scrap it, the real difference at the end of the day is only 50% of OMV. If you are going to sell it on the used car market, the resale prices have little to do with the OMV. Just check out the depreciation on some 'high OMV' marques. It can actually be worse than other 'low OMV' marques.

 

OMV is NOT the cost of manufacturing the vehicle. It is the price that your dealer paid for the vehicle. There are other parties who made profits along the way to finally bring the vehicle to you. I don't think you would think of how much your dealer profited from selling you the car as you drive each day right?

 

[rolleyes]

[Jeronlee]

I really don't understand why car buyers are so against above market profit margins/lower OMVs. I've mentioned before, OMV has not much relevance other than to find out the depreciation of the car if you are scrapping it.

 

If you drive for 10 yrs and scrap it, the real difference at the end of the day is only 50% of OMV. If you are going to sell it on the used car market, the resale prices have little to do with the OMV. Just check out the depreciation on some 'high OMV' marques. It can actually be worse than other 'low OMV' marques.

 

OMV is NOT the cost of manufacturing the vehicle. It is the price that your dealer paid for the vehicle. There are other parties who made profits along the way to finally bring the vehicle to you. I don't think you would think of how much your dealer profited from selling you the car as you drive each day right?

 

agree but i know a lot of people actually place AD's margin pretty high in their consideration list. guess this is the downside being over transparent in the vehicle base cost. maybe one day the development cost of a property should also be made transparent so that we can choose between a CDL or Far East project based on the mark-up.

 

our view of the AD's margin can be rather superficial as we have yet to factor the cost of providing the 3/5 years warranty by the AD. i suppose VW would need to incur higher cost to ship parts from germany compared to toyota from thailand.

 

a high OMV typically translates to higher purchase price and for the less cash rich people like me who needs a car loan, it just means i have to pay more interest for years when i'm never going to benefit from the eventual PARF rebate.

 

i might be happier if the OMV of the touran is at least 22k to be on par with some other MPV of its class but the car would probably be priced nearer to 110k. this is why i'm not complaining about low OMV.

Edited November 21, 2010 by Jeronlee

[Ak7887]

so u sold the old one at a good price? how much dealer take in? furthermore if u have loan, the 7/8 rule interest will eat u bad

lastly, i suppose the 08 model OMV is much higher than the new?

 

bro, regarding your question, the offer the dealer gave me for the Touran 08 after less off my current loan is more than enough to pay for my downpayment, thus making my new loan the same as what I loaned 2 years ago, but of better interest rate. At this current crazy COE situation, this is the best opportunity to get a new car. Of course, I opt for shorter repayment period for my old car and that helps. Will also opt for the same repayment period for the new one too. I think after 2 years, I can still get a decent resale car price for Touran 2010.

 

So it makes many sense to change to the new one although the engine is 30 horses lower. This can be tuned a little higher with some help I think :)

 

I doubt the OMV makes any different. When I asked the dealer why is the resale car fetching a good price, he said its due to COE and demand-supply. Even if my OMV for Touran 08 is low, at the rate the COE goes, it will still fetch a very good price. Vice versa, a high OMV car, with poor resale car demand, it will fetch much lower I think. Anyway, for the same car Touran 08 imported 2 years ago and now there will be difference in import price that affect OMV, as Euro is much stronger 2 years ago vs now, which is very low. So the same spec car, your OMV will be lower anyway.... but it should not mean that it is worse off right? I think the COE trend is creating all this chaos.

[Ak7887]

agree but i know a lot of people actually place AD's margin pretty high in their consideration list. guess this is the downside being over transparent in the vehicle base cost. maybe one day the development cost of a property should also be made transparent so that we can choose between a CDL or Far East project based on the mark-up.

 

our view of the AD's margin can be rather superficial as we have yet to factor the cost of providing the 3/5 years warranty by the AD. i suppose VW would need to incur higher cost to ship parts from germany compared to toyota from thailand.

 

a high OMV typically translates to higher purchase price and for the less cash rich people like me who needs a car loan, it just means i have to pay more interest for years when i'm never going to benefit from the eventual PARF rebate.

 

i might be happier if the OMV of the touran is at least 22k to be on par with some other MPV of its class but the car would probably be priced nearer to 110k. this is why i'm not complaining about low OMV.

 

bro, not sure about OMV of Touran 2010, but it shd be in the region of $20k+. The price is listed at $108,900 after all the promo. So it is still a $110K car. But like me, if you are the first 40 bookings, hey we are not complaining Rare opportunity!!

[Jeronlee]

bro, not sure about OMV of Touran 2010, but it shd be in the region of $20k+. The price is listed at $108,900 after all the promo. So it is still a $110K car. But like me, if you are the first 40 bookings, hey we are not complaining Rare opportunity!!

i'm definitely not complaining as i'm also among the first 40 but still can't compare with you - from a touran to another touran is quite hardcore i must say. but it's people like you who gave me the confidence that i can't be too wrong

[Ak7887]

i'm definitely not complaining as i'm also among the first 40 but still can't compare with you - from a touran to another touran is quite hardcore i must say. but it's people like you who gave me the confidence that i can't be too wrong

 

hi-five bro!!

[themagi]

haha And because of hardcore Touran ambassadors like you, I want to check out the car too!

[Ak7887]

haha And because of hardcore Touran ambassadors like you, I want to check out the car too!

 

bro, I'm not Touran ambassador lah.... hahah, but its a nice title though.

 

driven toyota (corolla), honda (civic 2.0), citroen (xsara 2), ford (festiva), mitsubishi (lancer) before since started work. I like all the cars I drove, but I must say that needs and priority changed along the way. Touran has so far met all my current requirements + fun to drive with its power & torque. If you can look beyond its boxy looks and non-flair interior, the car simply meets all my requirements. Roomy, car is not too big (in length still shorter than civic), compartments, great to drive. Contrary to many perception for a 1.4, I left many cars behind me at the traffic lights. Its fast enough, but most importantly, its functional and small enough for any carpark lots. And the low tax is a great bonus, no pain

Edited November 21, 2010 by Ak7887