Rafa could be jobless soon

[ThePeak]

the bold i agree..

 

the one in bold i dont.

 

reason being, JM have been lucky with his time in Chelsea where Arsernal, Man U is re-building and liverpool?? we dont have to say much. and his time in Inter is mainly due to AC milan and Juve is also rebuilding.

 

Initially i do tink like u, but u dont be Champ 2 season in a row base on luck...Arsenal are definately not rebuilding, they are d last champ before chelsea, n they go through the league unbeaten. They have able talent on bench at that time. As for Man U..they just crack ..they are so used to having Arsenal as their main competitor...didnt we see Roy keane blasting n blaiming n at last had to leave the club??? To me he just cracked under pressure, he knew that Man u will have to see Chelsea as a serious threat bcoz of their riches n JM.

 

as for his time at Inter...yes...AC n Juve is rebuiling...he basically follow up on wat Mancini had done before.....BUT he made Inter even better...winning the Champs League...defeating the highly formidable Barca along the way.

[Osprey23]

if that's the grouse then you are doubting the intelligence of the fans that they are hoodwinked by the media. isn't that indirectly suggesting that pool fans are the smarter lot?

 

i don't think the neutrals grouse is that rafa rotate too much than his peers at man u and chelsea. the neutrals grouse is that rafa's rotation is questionable and not backed by results whereas the managers at the 2 other clubs had better overall results even if they rotated more.

 

Hmm, actually if you have better squad depth, you get better result with your rotation. Liverpool never have a stronger depth than ManU or Chelsea, hence, we failed to get result when rotated.

 

What j22 is saying is that Rafa will get more flakes compared to others when rotated andnot getting results. They only slammed him for rotating but never state the fact that he had no better option to rotate the key players with.

[Joseph22]

Initially i do tink like u, but u dont be Champ 2 season in a row base on luck...Arsenal are definately not rebuilding, they are d last champ before chelsea, n they go through the league unbeaten. They have able talent on bench at that time. As for Man U..they just crack ..they are so used to having Arsenal as their main competitor...didnt we see Roy keane blasting n blaiming n at last had to leave the club??? To me he just cracked under pressure, he knew that Man u will have to see Chelsea as a serious threat bcoz of their riches n JM.

 

as for his time at Inter...yes...AC n Juve is rebuiling...he basically follow up on wat Mancini had done before.....BUT he made Inter even better...winning the Champs League...defeating the highly formidable Barca along the way.

 

Maybe Arsernal is not rebuilding, but Man U is definitely rebuilding after lossing DB7.

 

defeatin barca?? i think its more of the Ashes that defeated Barca rather than JM.

Edited December 8, 2010 by Joseph22

[Acemundo]

Hmm, actually if you have better squad depth, you get better result with your rotation. Liverpool never have a stronger depth than ManU or Chelsea, hence, we failed to get result when rotated.

 

What j22 is saying is that Rafa will get more flakes compared to others when rotated andnot getting results. They only slammed him for rotating but never state the fact that he had no better option to rotate the key players with.

 

i see the argument going nowhere because now it will eventually been led back to the reason that hicks and gillet made the pool club no money - no money cannot beef up with good substitutes - no good substiutes as compared to chelsea and man u renders the comparison with chelsea and man u manager invalid - hence invalid comparison makes the neutral fans biased because they did not consider all factor?

[Little_prince]

the bold i agree..

 

the one in bold i dont.

 

reason being, JM have been lucky with his time in Chelsea where Arsernal, Man U is re-building and liverpool?? we dont have to say much. and his time in Inter is mainly due to AC milan and Juve is also rebuilding.

 

bold you agree.

 

bold you don't agree.

 

so you agree or don't agree?

 

you really fever boi leh [laugh]

[Joseph22]

bold you agree.

 

bold you don't agree.

 

so you agree or don't agree?

 

you really fever boi leh

 

 

sorry i mean the one not in bold.

[Joseph22]

i see the argument going nowhere because now it will eventually been led back to the reason that hicks and gillet made the pool club no money - no money cannot beef up with good substitutes - no good substiutes as compared to chelsea and man u renders the comparison with chelsea and man u manager invalid - hence invalid comparison makes the neutral fans biased because they did not consider all factor?

 

 

i will not want to move towards there.

 

in fact, i believe, if your reserve are not good. then stick only to the first eleven. like what Arsernal is doing.

[Little_prince]

i will not want to move towards there.

 

in fact, i believe, if your reserve are not good. then stick only to the first eleven. like what Arsernal is doing.

 

but poo first eleven also substandard...

 

fwd: no capable partner for torres.

 

mf: lucas is first team. 'nuff said

 

def: carragher and the joker from fulham are liabilities

[Joseph22]

but poo first eleven also substandard...

 

fwd: no capable partner for torres.

 

mf: lucas is first team. 'nuff said

 

def: carragher and the joker from fulham are liabilities

 

 

Lucas is first team for Brazil too leh.

 

same with Arsernal wor... so many 1/2 pass 6 player. :angry:

[Little_prince]

Lucas is first team for Brazil too leh.

 

same with Arsernal wor... so many 1/2 pass 6 player. :angry:

 

thats why brazil also playing so badly nowadays [laugh]

[Joseph22]

thats why brazil also playing so badly nowadays

 

 

by winning a lots of games??

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/fixtures.../brazil?cc=4716

 

eat humble pie please.

Edited December 8, 2010 by Joseph22

[Zakkwylde]

It will be difficult for any new manager to take over a new club to become an instant hit, regardless of the state of the club might be in. Rafa at Inter and Roy at Liverpool. Sensible fans will allow the new man to settle in and I believe both Inter and Liverpool have such fans. However, it will be up to the managers to show the fans that their faith will be repaided.

 

JM vs RB. This will take the debate over a few more pages. In terms of footballing brains, I think tactically they are both competent. However, the personal traits set them apart. JM is a more man oriented while RB is more task oriented.

 

 

If I were the player, I would prefer a man oriented coach then a task oriented coach. Reason is because we are human beings and not machines. Emotions come into play and at the end of the day and its up to the players to perform. Players can't perform if they are unhappy. Mourinho wins hands down with his excellent motivational skills unlike Rafa who won't praise his players even though they perform admirably. Ferguson is another example of a task oriented coach but because his been there for a very very long time, the players get used to his methods. No questions asked. If someone is deemed too big for the team, he is offloaded. If you can see the trend, Fergie will offload a big named player at his peak bar the 2 loyalist, scholes and giggs. With the backroom problems we had last season at liverpool, the least we need is a manager who can rally the squad with his motivational skills which Rafa is truly lacking.

[JumpySpeedFiend]

If I were the player, I would prefer a man oriented coach then a task oriented coach. Reason is because we are human beings and not machines. Emotions come into play and at the end of the day and its up to the players to perform. Players can't perform if they are unhappy. Mourinho wins hands down with his excellent motivational skills unlike Rafa who won't praise his players even though they perform admirably. Ferguson is another example of a task oriented coach but because his been there for a very very long time, the players get used to his methods. No questions asked. If someone is deemed too big for the team, he is offloaded. If you can see the trend, Fergie will offload a big named player at his peak bar the 2 loyalist, scholes and giggs. With the backroom problems we had last season at liverpool, the least we need is a manager who can rally the squad with his motivational skills which Rafa is truly lacking.

 

Good point. We need to know that Rafa was employed during Moores' time. Rafa did not expect to be working under the 2 jerks 2 years later. SAF has the support of the board and that to me, is the most important factor for any club to remain successful for decades (not those one hit wonders).

 

However, whether which style is better really depends on players themselves. Those self motivated type no need constant pats on the back by the manager. They will continue to improve and strife for excellence with the right coaching methods. Some players need more encouragement from the bosses, to know that they are doing well and hence further improved their performance. Both styles will work with the right players.

[JumpySpeedFiend]

i will not want to move towards there.

 

in fact, i believe, if your reserve are not good. then stick only to the first eleven. like what Arsernal is doing.

 

Stick with the same first XI and risk them being burnt out at the last leg of the season? Which top team stuck with first XI and do well? Villa under O'Neil doesn't rotate much and you can see for yourself, year in year out, they fizzle out at the turn of the year.

[Joseph22]

Stick with the same first XI and risk them being burnt out at the last leg of the season? Which top team stuck with first XI and do well? Villa under O'Neil doesn't rotate much and you can see for yourself, year in year out, they fizzle out at the turn of the year.

 

 

Rotate only when you need not when player are not really tired aka early in the season.

 

 

BTW Arsernal didnt rotate much and they are still at the top.

Edited December 8, 2010 by Joseph22

[JumpySpeedFiend]

don't you think is unreasonable or unachievable to ask every fan where they get their views from or where they get their diet of soccer news from. to me, as long as they don't not get their feed off an anti-rafa sources (forum, medi etc), they have higher likelihood to be neutral.

 

you missed my argument unfortunately. i did not say neutral fans are neutral in the absolute sense but in the relative sense. my point is, neutral fans are more likely to be neutral than liverpool fans when it comes to assessment of fans, without the emotional attachment.

 

I do agree with you that neutral fans might be able to look at things more clearly without the emotions attached but we can also look at it from another angle. Neutral will not be visiting diehard Liverpool forums, those that are based in the UK and exchanged views with fans who are at Liverpool. Neutral fans will never be able to tell you first hand account of what they see and hear coming out from Anfield and Melwood.

 

They are the ones who pointed out all the inaccuracies in all the anti-Rafa reporting coming out from the UK press. The more the UK press tried to hit hard on our ex-manager, the more united we became in our support towards him. Yes, this is emotion at play but this is also what is so special about Liverpool Football Club.

[JumpySpeedFiend]

Rotate only when you need not when player are not really tired aka early in the season.

 

 

BTW Arsernal didnt rotate much and they are still at the top.

 

Are you in better position to decide whether a player should be rested then Rafa? If so, I rest my case.

 

Let's look at Arsenal at the end of the season. I will very much like to see them do well and prove me wrong.

[Zakkwylde]

but poo first eleven also substandard...

 

fwd: no capable partner for torres.

 

mf: lucas is first team. 'nuff said

 

def: carragher and the joker from fulham are liabilities

 

 

If you have followed liverpool the last few games, you could see that Lucas have already upped his game by a mile. He's already been here for 3 years and he had gone through the transition phase, from a slower more technical south american game to the fast paced physical premier league. Already stepping out of Mascha shadow and growing as a player. Well time is on his side, still young and haven't reached his potential. I agree that he struggled in his initial years with liverpool because of the stature of the club and also wanting to make an impression and it really irks me watching him play at times. Young chap, trying to make an impression will learn through experience and i think he has abundance of it. He will continue to grow and will be an asset to liverpool in the future now that there is no comparison to anyone in the team in his position.