Rafa could be jobless soon

[Joseph22]

i said wenger led arsenal is the closest apple to apple comparison because osprey started comparing chelsea and man city.

 

i said chelsea and man city are not comparable bcos chelsea was a BPL winner on few occasion and unless Rafa was sacked for not winning the BPL then chelsea is a apple to apple comparison. i said mancini deserves to be sacked anyway so he is also out of the picture.

 

then i said wenger led asrsenal is the closest apple to apple comparison given the budget they have spent and the KPI of finishing 4th they are given. he refuted this example and say it is not apple to apple comparison because wenger never had interference from their management and another point about spoorting director. do you think he is not refuting my example of wenger led arsenal is the closest apple to apple comparison with this illustratoin?

 

ah i see where you are getting from.

anyway, its not possible to compare apple to apple lah. geographical position is already a disadvantage even if Liverpool have a bigger stadium. liverpool will never be able to sell their ticket as high as chelsea and Arsernal given that liverpool is really a low income industires town compare to the cities of london.

[Lala81]

Did Dalglish brought Newcastle down? He didn't.

Did Roy brought Blackburn down? He did.

 

He brought a team from 2nd to 13th in 1 season.

 

I'm sure RH with blackburn was similar.

 

Anyway my main issue is that he's not had a proper job in >10 yrs.

His stint at celtic & newcastle was also less than oustanding.

 

Basically u r saying can take the gamble with Dalglish whereas i think he may nt be better.

[Acemundo]

that's why i say, if you want such adopt strict criteria in comparison, there will never be an appropriate comparison. but in the commercial world, bosses wont allow you not to have a comparable benchmark. without benchmarking, he cannot evaluate your performance. you think he will allow u to give reasons like it is not comparable due to this and that reason of different management style and set up.

 

as for your reasoning of arsenal having advantage over liverpool geogrpahically, i think it is wrong.

 

building a stadium in london is much more costly than liverpool as all would know. arsenal board gave wenger very little budget during the years of building the emirates stadium and they survive through it. that they are now being able to have a higher gate collection is through the good work of wenger and not purely by luck.

 

also to say geograhical location within a small area rendering two setups incomparable is also stretching the argument too much. both are in england, if you use this argument, only spurs, west ham, chelsea etc is comparable to arsenal because they are common in london. yet when we bring in the budget and management style as you and kopite would like it, none is comparable to each other! yet when defending rafa some of the supporters keep bringing in chelsea, man city or man u to compare? why cleverly drop arsenal as the comparison?

[Lala81]

you are quick to jump the gun on Dalglish but dont forget in the last 15 year, he is the only manager that is able to win a league title outside of the top 3 teams in England (ManU, Arsernal and Chelsea) with Blackburn. his tenant in Newcastle arent that bad either. 2nd place finishing on the first season. 2nd season 13th largely due to absense of Alan Shearer( during those time, most team are still relying on 1 or 2 start player unlike now)

By the way speaking of newcastle, wiki wrote that Keegan scrapped Newcastle reserve squad and Kenny have to rebuild it. is it for real??

 

I'm just saying will u trust a person who's not worked for 10 years to take your top job.

Anyway what we say not impt, what does Henry think?

 

[Lala81]

i agree.

 

Comparison with arsenal is fair.

We haven't been comparable with chelsea/man u for years.

 

Similar heritage, stadium size used to be comparable.

Season ticket price lose but its definitely cheaper to redevelop a stadium in liverpool cf london.

[Lala81]

Most of the team i read about RH saying about Torres is that he is not up to par and not on form when the problem is his own tactics.

similar to his comment on GJ a Wing back being told to pay as a full back but expect him to have a similar form when he is playing wing back for england.

this 2 comment make it hard for us to be fair to him when he is not being fair to the other player who are forced to play in a different role as what they are suppose to play.

Other stuff like not playing Agger, who likely to be our best CB because he only like to play long ball is another.

 

Torres played like crap the whole WC frm start to end.

Problem is spain's tactics? maybe.

 

Torres has been off-form since he was injured last season & it understandably took him a long while to get back to form after a WC year.

 

I dun disagree that RH tactics r confusing. His constant playing of players out of position.

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[Lala81]

heh anyway i'm happy that they aren't moving out so soon.

 

Give me longer deadline to go to Anfield! maybe next few years

[Acemundo]

yeah, there has to be a benchmark to compare against. otherwise, how to do a fair performance appraisal?

 

the tasks at arsenal's hands were in fact much tougher before emirates stadium was being built but they pull through it. to say arsenal had a better setup now is to forget the tougher period they went through.

 

of course pool didn't really have it easy but they can only blame themselves for going with the wrong owners in hicks and gillett. i rem during that stage, pool chose hicks and gillett over another middle east consortium? could the outcome have been greatly different if they had gone with the middle east consortium?

 

 

 

 

[Acemundo]

haha so u still intend to get tickets to anfield match?

[Kopites]

i said wenger led arsenal is the closest apple to apple comparison because osprey started comparing chelsea and man city.

 

i said chelsea and man city are not comparable bcos chelsea was a BPL winner on few occasion and unless Rafa was sacked for not winning the BPL then chelsea is a apple to apple comparison. i said mancini deserves to be sacked anyway so he is also out of the picture.

 

then i said wenger led asrsenal is the closest apple to apple comparison given the budget they have spent and the KPI of finishing 4th they are given. he refuted this example and say it is not apple to apple comparison because wenger never had interference from their management and another point about spoorting director. do you think he is not refuting my example of wenger led arsenal is the closest apple to apple comparison with this illustratoin?

 

 

Bro i reckon the following article written from tomkin times last season ago provide a more comprehensive "Apple to Apple" comparsion.

 

Kind of long but it does give another perspective into rafa reign.

 

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/04/reasons-benitez-belongs/

 

Extracted =======================

 

It

Edited November 17, 2010 by Kopites

[Kopites]

of course pool didn't really have it easy but they can only blame themselves for going with the wrong owners in hicks and gillett. i rem during that stage, pool chose hicks and gillett over another middle east consortium? could the outcome have been greatly different if they had gone with the middle east consortium?

 

 

OPEN LETTER TO DAVID MOORES by Kev Howson

 

Dear David,

 

In your letter published in The Times this morning you attempt to explain the process that led to the sale of Liverpool FC to Messrs Hicks and Gillett. This was welcome if not overdue. I would, however like to take issue with some of the statements made in that letter.

 

You precede your comments on the search for a new custodian with the words

[Lala81]

Anyway since some of us have talked abt RH's or Rafa's tactics.

 

Saw this soccernet article which i find very ironic. A footballer (good one too) who doesn't like tactics

 

RVDV loving Harry

[Lala81]

haha so u still intend to get tickets to anfield match?

 

Definitely !!

 

Anyone can advise on best way to get tickets?

[Kopites]

Another interesting reading from tomkin. Strke the chord in many of pool fan here on how we feel about RH.

 

Don't want to take up too much srceen space so won't paste it here.

 

 

http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/11/depression...-life-as-a-red/

 

 

Extract :

 

The same basic standards of acceptable performance are currently not being met. So far, Hodgson is performing worse than Ben

[Acemundo]

haha i got source can get for you......interested to buy from me haha?

[Acemundo]

this is not addressing my point.

 

management wants some way to benchmark and compare and they wont accept intangible factors like management style as the reason not to compare.

 

and if we accept that corporate management wants to compare for the sake of performance evaluation, only arsenal comes close to being compare against liverpool, not chelsea, everton, man u or man city. so my point is, if want to compare, use arsenal not the other teams. if don't want to compare, then it is up to supporters of rafa to convince pool board and owners that liverpool is unique club that has no other club being comparable. then if you guys will have it, then the pool board will not use benchmarking techniques to appraise the performance of pool managers.

[Joseph22]

Torres played like crap the whole WC frm start to end.

Problem is spain's tactics? maybe.

 

Torres has been off-form since he was injured last season & it understandably took him a long while to get back to form after a WC year.

 

I dun disagree that RH tactics r confusing. His constant playing of players out of position.

 

i beg to defer on this one. yes Torres did not score any goals. but did you realise that when spain stop plaiyng torres in the starting line up. Villa stop scoring??I though he played more as a decoy striker rather than a real striker.

[Joseph22]

this is not addressing my point.

 

management wants some way to benchmark and compare and they wont accept intangible factors like management style as the reason not to compare.

 

and if we accept that corporate management wants to compare for the sake of performance evaluation, only arsenal comes close to being compare against liverpool, not chelsea, everton, man u or man city. so my point is, if want to compare, use arsenal not the other teams. if don't want to compare, then it is up to supporters of rafa to convince pool board and owners that liverpool is unique club that has no other club being comparable. then if you guys will have it, then the pool board will not use benchmarking techniques to appraise the performance of pool managers.

 

why up to the supporter of rafa. we are not here to ask the board to bring back Rafa. liverpool fans wanted a better manager. and like i had always pointed out before Roy Hodgson appointment. Roy Hodgson will at most bring liverpool to mid table.