Rafa could be jobless soon

[Joseph22]

Why we came close in 2009 was because Alonso was out to prove a point that He did not deserve to be sold.

 

Unfortunately, Man U had the best player in the world at that time, CR

 

CR cost - 12mil pounds

Alonso cost - 10.5 mil pounds

 

Rafa is probably a nice guy in real life but he just doesn't have the PR skills with his own players.

Only Reina & Torres made any noise when Rafa left. Quite telling.

 

In an imaginary world of football, would u really give your best for a manager like Rafa?

A manager who doesn't even talk much to his own players other than to criticise them?

 

Good that you bring out their transfer fee.

 

CR was bought for 12Million pounds at the age of 17. a price that liverpool owners are not willing to pay for a youngster.

[Osprey23]

Why we came close in 2009 was because Alonso was out to prove a point that He did not deserve to be sold.

 

Unfortunately, Man U had the best player in the world at that time, CR

 

CR cost - 12mil pounds

Alonso cost - 10.5 mil pounds

 

Rafa is probably a nice guy in real life but he just doesn't have the PR skills with his own players.

Only Reina & Torres made any noise when Rafa left. Quite telling.

 

In an imaginary world of football, would u really give your best for a manager like Rafa?

A manager who doesn't even talk much to his own players other than to criticise them?

 

You have been mislead by the media who are against him. Rafa does not grow close to any players. Why, that's the only way he can do the best for the club. The contacts are mostly on teaching the players tactically, but he will never allow his players to be attacked by any other managers.

 

Many did not make noise outof respect for the club. That does not mean they are happy with that decision.

 

[Joseph22]

wow.

easy

Terry, Drogba, Lampard, Essien, Cech? Lol...

 

Alonso was a different type of player when he 1st came to liverpool.

If anyone remember the 1st time he played Man U (when gerrard couldn't play), i was truly elated when he showed the aggression & passing ability which i thought would make him the no.1 player in LFC.

 

He improved defensively but overall as a player i felt that then he showed a potential to be a player close to xavi's standard.

 

From the 1st day he stepped into Anfield, Xabi could already pass at the same level as his current level.

Pls don't credit Benitez for that.

 

What you mention about Torres and Gerrard under Rafa can be said about those player. they are already good to begin with.

you are joking about Alonso able to pass at his current level. his long range passing then are not as accurate as he did in his last season. in fact, his performance in the 2 season before his last was not up to par that most liverpool fans wanted rafa to get another replacement. (but not Barry as a replacement of couse)

Edited November 16, 2010 by Joseph22

[Osprey23]

Good that you bring out their transfer fee.

 

CR was bought for 12Million pounds at the age of 17. a price that liverpool owners are not willing to pay for a youngster.

 

Actually, it was Houllier who turned down the chance to sign him, due to his wage demands I think.

[Joseph22]

You have been mislead by the media who are against him. Rafa does not grow close to any players. Why, that's the only way he can do the best for the club. The contacts are mostly on teaching the players tactically, but he will never allow his players to be attacked by any other managers.

 

Many did not make noise outof respect for the club. That does not mean they are happy with that decision.

 

I will have to agree with you on this given his impression that liverpool is playing defensive football under Rafa.

we might not be playing attractive all out attack soccer during that era. but liverpool are playing with a attack intend and motive.

in fact we have dominated most game with high possesion rates and shoots on goals.

[Joseph22]

Actually, it was Houllier who turned down the chance to sign him, due to his wage demands I think.

 

yes. i was just emphasising the unwillingness of the owners to splash on youth player. (hard to blame them on that)

btw i think its more to his transfer fee than wages.

[Lala81]

We are playing long ball now. Is that how Rafa play? LNG balls are usually from Reina, to take advantage of his accurate kicks. The 2 defensive midfielders are not just there to protect, but also to bring the ball up. With ball playing defenders like Agger, he will sometimes bring the ball up too. Full backs are encouraged to attack, suit Riise, Insua and Johnson.

 

All these are gone, replaced by Roy's single dimension route 1 tactic.

 

Players improved under Rafa? Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Lucas, Gerrard, Kuyt, Torres. To a certain extent, they look good because Rafa play to their strength and they enjoys learning from Rafa.

 

Rafa is not the best around, but I am pretty certain he is one of the best in his age group.

 

What u say is often the plan that he has at the start of the game, how often during the 50-60th min when the team gets desperate, they keep lobbing long balls forward to try break the dead lock ?

 

Rafa has his tactics & as manager he has sole responsibility & right to do so. Players that don't fit his style don't do well - babel, reira, benayoun are usually the attacking players.

 

His tactical philosophy has alienated most of his attacking midfielders.

 

What i'm trying to say is that his style (constant rotation with counter attacking football) won't win the EPL.

Yes it may win the Serie A but that's a different league.

 

He did a better than average job. Cos honestly the squad he got from Houllier was really bad. But to say he did an oustanding job would be to flatter him.

 

I do wish him the best because honestly with the poor management of the club during the rick parry era, we wouldn't likely be champions even if the best manager was around.

[Lala81]

What you mention about Torres and Gerrard under Rafa can be said about those player. they are already good to begin with.

you are joking about Alonso able to pass at his current level. his long range passing then are not as accurate as he did in his last season. in fact, his performance in the 2 season before his last was not up to par that most liverpool fans wanted rafa to get another replacement. (but not Barry as a replacement of couse)

 

I agree that Alonso's performance was poor over 2 seasons prior to his last & best season.

 

Why? How come got such a big difference?

 

Home sick? Possible.

Otherwise, I don't think he had any major personal problems during that period.

 

Isn't it telling that only when he resolved to leave liverpool then he played to his true abilities?

As a manager, u tell me that SAF/Jose/Ancelloti/Capello/Guardiola etc couldn't have tried to do something to improve the player's morale & confidence?

[Kopites]

I agree that Alonso's performance was poor over 2 seasons prior to his last & best season.

 

Why? How come got such a big difference?

 

Home sick? Possible.

Otherwise, I don't think he had any major personal problems during that period.

 

Isn't it telling that only when he resolved to leave liverpool then he played to his true abilities?

As a manager, u tell me that SAF/Jose/Ancelloti/Capello/Guardiola etc couldn't have tried to do something to improve the player's morale & confidence?

 

 

OK my turn now.

 

Have you forgotten during one of the European champion league game alonso's baby girl was born but wasn't allowed to flew home to be at his wife bedside ? This was the root of all grudges. As from reports/interviews, Rafa stand was nothing is more impt than a football match. Subsequent to this event alonso form dip as expected. You can check out the timings and stat. Rafa out trying to get barry was largedly due to the poor form of alonso shown in his last two seasons or so. He has no choice but to sell alonso (the board don't back him financially) to buy another backup. G B would be a good buy though his passing range not up to alonso standard but better in the CM defensive role. This would ultmately free up SG to play just behind Torres. In failing to get GB rafa was force to get Aqua man at somewhat lesser price. Remember the board stand back then inorder to purchase rafa must sell. As we all known aquaman wasn't really up to the mark due to his injuries. This leave rafa with no alternative but to fill alonso position with lucas while pushing SG to support torres.

 

 

Ok some pointers which i like to comment of rafa tactics and subsitution during certain matches. I remember during one of the pool match last season while the score was still at 1 : 1 and chasing the game, he took out torres and put in Babbel as replacement. The look on SG was priceless. He scratched his head. Anyone remember that sight ? I reckon happened quite a number of games where his subsitutions bewildered many of us, including some of the players during last season. Rafa always has the intention to mould us into playing a style like valencia. A compact hard to beat team. Attacking (moving forward) and defensing as a team/group. Each player know their position. Zonal marking ! A lot of hard work. That was why Dirt Kyut was one of rafa favourite. Unfortunately BPL does not warrant such valancia's style as it is much more faster and robust than la liga. Try asking messi to run down the wing and see how far he can go before been tackle down.

 

While we were 2nd in the league behind the scum, CR wasn't the main cause. Is the other player, italian boy macheta (Can't remember the correct spelling). I remember vividly in that season during the last few matches (2 or 3 matchs), this italian boy came on as sub in the last few minutes to score the winning goals and 3 points.

Edited November 16, 2010 by Kopites

[Kopites]

What u say is often the plan that he has at the start of the game, how often during the 50-60th min when the team gets desperate, they keep lobbing long balls forward to try break the dead lock ?

 

Rafa has his tactics & as manager he has sole responsibility & right to do so. Players that don't fit his style don't do well - babel, reira, benayoun are usually the attacking players.

 

His tactical philosophy has alienated most of his attacking midfielders.

 

What i'm trying to say is that his style (constant rotation with counter attacking football) won't win the EPL.

Yes it may win the Serie A but that's a different league.

 

He did a better than average job. Cos honestly the squad he got from Houllier was really bad. But to say he did an oustanding job would be to flatter him.

 

I do wish him the best because honestly with the poor management of the club during the rick parry era, we wouldn't likely be champions even if the best manager was around.

 

I am not trying to defend rafa but don't you agree if he have not brought on didi hamman after the half time break to shackle kaka would we had won that nite.

 

Winning the two semi final over chelksi i would say was largedly due to his tactical knowledge/instinct. Playing to our own strenght. Sitting back, counter attack at stamford bridge and than high tempo pressure game in return leg (only 20 or so minutes) in the first half.

 

Tactical awareness i would give him a thump up. He is not GH or some other mgrs where they like to put an arm around the players. He is more formal and rigid.

 

 

OK some joke here.

 

GH came to sillypore with the treble trophies and the following season he left with mutual concern.

 

Same go to rafa. He came down to sillypore ( i still have the photo taken with torres and carragher at velocity) and the following season he left with mutual concern.

 

Maybe sillypore is jinx to us.

 

 

[Osprey23]

OK some joke here.

 

GH came to sillypore with the treble trophies and the following season he left with mutual concern.

 

Same go to rafa. He came down to sillypore ( i still have the photo taken with torres and carragher at velocity) and the following season he left with mutual concern.

 

Maybe sillypore is jinx to us.

 

Good observation. Can we invite them down NOW!!!!

 

Those who want Roy out can chip in to fly them in. Hahaha....

[Lala81]

OK my turn now.

 

Have you forgotten during one of the European champion league game alonso's baby girl was born but wasn't allowed to flew home to be at his wife bedside ? This was the root of all grudges. As from reports/interviews, Rafa stand was nothing is more impt than a football match. Subsequent to this event alonso form dip as expected. You can check out the timings and stat. Rafa out trying to get barry was largedly due to the poor form of alonso shown in his last two seasons or so. He has no choice but to sell alonso (the board don't back him financially) to buy another backup. G B would be a good buy though his passing range not up to alonso standard but better in the CM defensive role. This would ultmately free up SG to play just behind Torres. In failing to get GB rafa was force to get Aqua man at somewhat lesser price. Remember the board stand back then inorder to purchase rafa must sell. As we all known aquaman wasn't really up to the mark due to his injuries. This leave rafa with no alternative but to fill alonso position with lucas while pushing SG to support torres.

 

 

Ok some pointers which i like to comment of rafa tactics and subsitution during certain matches. I remember during one of the pool match last season while the score was still at 1 : 1 and chasing the game, he took out torres and put in Babbel as replacement. The look on SG was priceless. He scratched his head. Anyone remember that sight ? I reckon happened quite a number of games where his subsitutions bewildered many of us, including some of the players during last season. Rafa always has the intention to mould us into playing a style like valencia. A compact hard to beat team. Attacking (moving forward) and defensing as a team/group. Each player know their position. Zonal marking ! A lot of hard work. That was why Dirt Kyut was one of rafa favourite. Unfortunately BPL does not warrant such valancia's style as it is much more faster and robust than la liga. Try asking messi to run down the wing and see how far he can go before been tackle down.

 

While we were 2nd in the league behind the scum, CR wasn't the main cause. Is the other player, italian boy macheta (Can't remember the correct spelling). I remember vividly in that season during the last few matches (2 or 3 matchs), this italian boy came on as sub in the last few minutes to score the winning goals and 3 points.

 

If u make me miss my child's giving birth, i definitely won't give u any face as well

 

CR single handedly won them ~30 points from his goals in 1-0 wins. He's definitely the main cause.

 

 

[Lala81]

I am not trying to defend rafa but don't you agree if he have not brought on didi hamman after the half time break to shackle kaka would we had won that nite.

 

Winning the two semi final over chelksi i would say was largedly due to his tactical knowledge/instinct. Playing to our own strenght. Sitting back, counter attack at stamford bridge and than high tempo pressure game in return leg (only 20 or so minutes) in the first half.

 

Tactical awareness i would give him a thump up. He is not GH or some other mgrs where they like to put an arm around the players. He is more formal and rigid.

 

 

OK some joke here.

 

GH came to sillypore with the treble trophies and the following season he left with mutual concern.

 

Same go to rafa. He came down to sillypore ( i still have the photo taken with torres and carragher at velocity) and the following season he left with mutual concern.

 

Maybe sillypore is jinx to us.

 

Coming to far east is just a mistake heh

 

 

[Osprey23]

If u make me miss my child's giving birth, i definitely won't give u any face as well

 

CR single handedly won them ~30 points from his goals in 1-0 wins. He's definitely the main cause.

 

It is subjective. To many, Rafa looks cold and heartless. However, all his decisions are based on professional considerations. Think back to his 2nd season. His father passed away when we were away to Japan to play the Super Club. This Cup is not really a major honour but he still stayed on and only return to Spain to attend his father's funeral after the match.

 

Heartless? Cold? or Committed? Professionalism?

 

It all depends which camp you are in.

 

No point fighting over whether CR or Macheda the one who won ManU the title. Wining it needs team effort. Who has the better team with better depth will win it.

 

[Saycheese78]

Liverpool 1995.. the team with a aging Ian Rush up front, apprentice Robbie Fowler (maciam Jedi knight with apprentice) , Steve Mcmanaman and Jamie Redknap. Then in came Jason McAteer and Stan Collymore. Steven Gerard and Michael Owen were already famous in the youth team...

[Joseph22]

I agree that Alonso's performance was poor over 2 seasons prior to his last & best season.

 

Why? How come got such a big difference?

 

Home sick? Possible.

Otherwise, I don't think he had any major personal problems during that period.

 

Isn't it telling that only when he resolved to leave liverpool then he played to his true abilities?

As a manager, u tell me that SAF/Jose/Ancelloti/Capello/Guardiola etc couldn't have tried to do something to improve the player's morale & confidence?

 

Saf just sell them

Jose??? got Terry angry prior to his dismissal remember?

[Joseph22]

Coming to far east is just a mistake heh

 

will Roy be coming to singapore with liverpool when this season ended??

[Kopites]

will Roy be coming to singapore with liverpool when this season ended??

 

 

I doubt so bro. Probably to the U S Of A since new US owner and not Sillypore owner.