All the best to parents of PSLE candidates

[Kopites]

1 hour ago, Weez911 said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/moe-releases-cut-off-points-for-secondary-schools-under-new-psle

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/parenting-education/new-psle-scoring-system-list-of-secondary-schools-entry-and-cut-off

Wa Raffles boys and girls are AL4 to 6, while Hwa Chong and Nanyang are AL4 to 7.

Honestly after spending 5 minutes reading through I am even more confused. How does it work actually.

 

[Weez911]

36 minutes ago, Kopites said:

Honestly after spending 5 minutes reading through I am even more confused. How does it work actually.

You are not alone. The AL is basically a tier score, ie, AL1 is above 90, AL2 is 85 to 90, etc etc. Then total AL is added for the 4 subjects. The lower the AL the better it is. AL4 is the best score one can get.

I think the scholars are overthinking and overengineering the previous PSLE which was fine by the way. MOE has made parents more nervous and anxious with this switch that yields no significant difference in my view.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Weez911

[Kopites]

1 minute ago, Weez911 said:

You are not alone. The AL is basically a tier score, ie, AL1 is above 90, AL2 is 85 to 90, etc etc. Then total AL is added for the 4 subjects. The lower the AL the better it is. AL4 is the best score one can get.

I think the scholars are overthinking and overengineering the previous PSLE which was fine by the way. MOE has made parents more nervous and anxious with this switch that yields no significant difference in my view.

Thanks and appreciate your efforts  explaining to an academic idiot like me.

Hmmm 

Just want to know psle passing range for sec 1 where in sec 4 can sit for o level. Don't need to be express but normal progression will do.

My times don't even have what streaming!🤔😓

 

 

 

[Mkl22]

56 minutes ago, Weez911 said:

You are not alone. The AL is basically a tier score, ie, AL1 is above 90, AL2 is 85 to 90, etc etc. Then total AL is added for the 4 subjects. The lower the AL the better it is. AL4 is the best score one can get.

I think the scholars are overthinking and overengineering the previous PSLE which was fine by the way. MOE has made parents more nervous and anxious with this switch that yields no significant difference in my view.

yeah... no significant change. in the end it was an internal project for some scholar to score points. bleeeh....

[Lotr]

If 500 students with 4 points vie for 400 places, how to decide who gets in? 

Top schools with 4-7 or 4-8 points cut off?  Please - only those with 4 points get in.

Isn't the old system better at differentiating with a clearer cut off point?

[Lotr]

2 hours ago, Mkl22 said:

Every school is a GOOD school! 😂

Just that some are better and many wants to go to the best  ...

But anyway, next time will be like this 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Lotr

[Lotr]

2 hours ago, Didu said:

Looks like there'll be lots of computerized balloting. Good luck to those who have kids going into Sec 1.

I heard something about this balloting.  Really?  Now, secondary schools also need balloting.

Change the scoring system to so call make it less stressful but introduce balloting.   

Change in name but nothing has really changed 

[Mkl22]

10 minutes ago, Lotr said:

If 500 students with 4 points vie for 400 places, how to decide who gets in? 

Top schools with 4-7 or 4-8 points cut off?  Please - only those with 4 points get in.

Isn't the old system better at differentiating with a clearer cut off point?

same with going with O levels grades point system to JC/poly? if similar points then tikam tikam? 🤣

Edited April 27, 2021 by Mkl22

[sake]

42 minutes ago, Lotr said:

If 500 students with 4 points vie for 400 places, how to decide who gets in? 

Top schools with 4-7 or 4-8 points cut off?  Please - only those with 4 points get in.

Isn't the old system better at differentiating with a clearer cut off point?

MOE addressed some frequently asked questions..........

2. Will there be an increased likelihood of balloting, since there are fewer possible PSLE scores and more schools at every score?

Pupils will continue to be posted based on academic merit, which means that the pupil with the better PSLE score will be admitted ahead of a student with a poorer PSLE score.

If there is more than one pupil with the same PSLE score vying for the last available place in a school, tie-breakers will be applied in the following order:

• First, citizenship: A Singapore citizen has the highest priority, then a Singapore permanent resident, and lastly an international student;

• Second, school choice order: First choice over second choice, and so on;

• If citizenship status and school choice order are the same, then computerised balloting will be used to determine who to be admitted.

Hence, citizenship status will be the first tie-breaker, followed by school choice order.

 

source: The Straits Times

 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by sake

[Didu]

MY on a different path...no more primary school leaving exam. 

Malaysia to abolish primary school leaving examination from 2021

Malaysia will abolish its primary school leaving examination from 2021, said Senior Education Minister Radzi Jidin on Wednesday (Apr 28). 

The decision to abolish the (Primary School Achievement Test) UPSR was made after getting views and input through various processes, said Dr Radzi at a press conference. 

More than 1,700 participants were involved, comprising of teachers, parents, students, as well as unions and associations across Malaysia in various sessions held. 

Dr Radzi added that some teachers spoke to him about how they had to "steal" time from other subjects that did not have specific examinations. 

This is to allow students enough time to prepare for the primary school leaving examination, thus reducing the opportunities for teachers to use creativity when delivering lessons in school. 

Some parents also shared how the focus on the UPSR, which was considered an important examination, caused their children to have limited time for other aspects of their education, Dr Radzi said, as some children were sent for tuition classes as early as Primary 1. 

With the UPSR abolished, the assessment method for Primary 6 students will be focused on strengthening the school-based assessment, said Dr Radzi.

He added that admission to boarding schools for 2022 will be based on the Specific Schools Admission Assessment (PKSK). 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/malaysia-abolish-primary-school-leaving-exam-2021-14710334

[Kopites]

My wife show me these tables.

No matter what scholar can come up those kiasu parent forum can do it even better.

Hahaha

[Mason016]

39 minutes ago, Kopites said:

My wife show me these tables.

No matter what scholar can come up those kiasu parent forum can do it even better.

Hahaha

Best lah. Kiasi parents forums wan shui!

[Kopites]

9 minutes ago, Mason016 said:

Best lah. Kiasi parents forums wan shui!

Couldn't figure out my wife Nick over there. Anyway she don't know my Nick here. Hahaha

[Weez911]

1 hour ago, Kopites said:

Couldn't figure out my wife Nick over there. Anyway she don't know my Nick here. Hahaha

Wa this type of role play 无间道 is the best. Keep the feeling fresh. 好吃抵不过新鲜.

[Wind30]

On 4/27/2021 at 8:12 PM, Weez911 said:

You are not alone. The AL is basically a tier score, ie, AL1 is above 90, AL2 is 85 to 90, etc etc. Then total AL is added for the 4 subjects. The lower the AL the better it is. AL4 is the best score one can get.

I think the scholars are overthinking and overengineering the previous PSLE which was fine by the way. MOE has made parents more nervous and anxious with this switch that yields no significant difference in my view.

I had a discussion with one of my old classmate who was involved in formulation of this new PSLE grading system.

The main effect I concluded that they are looking for is spreading out the good students over more schools using a blunter kind of measurement. Bsaically, the new grading system is just more inaccurate on purpose. Thus there is a higher chance that a good student will not get into his first choice and end up in his second choice. I don't think they can admit that up front but that seems to be the motivation.

On the bright side, because now the tiebreaker is citizenship, it is highly likely citizens will be EASIER to get into their first choice while PRs will find it harder. I probably would not worry if I am a citizen but for PRs, the tiebreaker plus greater inaccuracy in grading makes it much harder for them to get into their first choice. They really have to score 4-5 and not fall into the tiebreaker. 

The objective is "Every school is a good school" and the first step is to spread out the student more. If you cannot convince parents, the other way is just make PSLE has more inaccuracies.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Wind30

[Wind30]

after discussing this, I am kind of convinced this move is in the right direction. The root cause of stress is not PSLE but rather everyone wants to get into the top schools. Unless we can really convince people that secondary school does not matter that much and St Nicholas is just as good a RGS, there is no solution.

The first step is to bring up the perception of the quality of the students in St nicholas vs RGS. By blurring the intake requirement, with time, maybe people will treat St Nicholas and RGS as same tier...

[Kopites]

13 minutes ago, Wind30 said:

after discussing this, I am kind of convinced this move is in the right direction. The root cause of stress is not PSLE but rather everyone wants to get into the top schools. Unless we can really convince people that secondary school does not matter that much and St Nicholas is just as good a RGS, there is no solution.

The first step is to bring up the perception of the quality of the students in St nicholas vs RGS. By blurring the intake requirement, with time, maybe people will treat St Nicholas and RGS as same tier...

The first step I reckon should be to do away with the "discount" attached to affiliate school. Every child in the same wavelength base on their academic results.

Getting into a primary school already a good/bad luck balloting system. Now come secondary school another round of system balloting. 

An unnecessary added stress.

[Wind30]

10 minutes ago, yishunite said:

So end up will just distribute PRs to more schools? 😭

Another side effect is you can't allow prodigies in one subject to use their special subject to overcome weaker ones... all will end up in "second tier" schools while first tier will just be the muggers with hyperactive tuition

that side effect is intended so the prodigies go to second tier schools