Speed Demon killed 5 year old kid

[Scion]

i certainly feel the driver bears at least 90% of the blame

 

got one time i was in Bishan, driving thru a minor road...

a mum was holding his young boy's hand, standing on a central divider waiting to cross the road...

i was driving 30-40kmh, and upon approaching, the kid wrestled off his mum's hand and jumped right in front of my car!

u can imagine my shock

i ebraked and almost hit him... only perhaps 2-3m away

the naughty boy gleefully ran away with the mum chasing after him.. the braking sound made all the people at the busstop looked at me

 

but i counted my blessing... i knew if i hit him, i will be in the wrong no matter what reasons there were

[Ayotee]

why can't they just cross the road by using the traffic instead of jay-walk? wait for traffic light to turn green man very hard mehz.. if cross by using traffic light, accident wont happen.

[Greatbirdlegend]

Don't speed when you are driving in the estates and always slow down when you see old folks or young children along the roads.

Always slow down and expect they will do something stupid.

We are behind the wheels of lethal machines and that makes us more responsible.

In any case trying to argue who's responsible is pointless unless you are the sort of person who can look at a dying kid's face and find any justification.

Personally i think i'll be having nightmares for the rest of my life.

[Requiemdk]

why can't they just cross the road by using the traffic instead of jay-walk? wait for traffic light to turn green man very hard mehz.. if cross by using traffic light, accident wont happen.

 

Kids don't know any better.

[Darryn]

why can't they just cross the road by using the traffic instead of jay-walk? wait for traffic light to turn green man very hard mehz.. if cross by using traffic light, accident wont happen.

 

That spot dun have traffic light...not even close....the way to cross safely is via the LRT station.....easily 200m to nearest junction.

 

 

[Ericongy]

44m.......eerie...

 

anw, its really sad something like tat happened...

ermm.. i tink it takes 2 hands to clap, in this case, a reckless driver and a careless pedestrian..

 

i understand this is not the first time a fatal accident happened along tat stretch..

Can someone be helpful enuf to post a map of that stretch of road?

this info will really be helpful....i will be extra x2 careful when travelling along tat stretch....

[Vhtfhwlego]

i had 2 accidents in my driving life....both when i travelling under 30km/h... therefore i think speeding is safer for me

Sometimes I think likewise too.

From one of my topic, I said that I hit a stone and cause me 3.5K in repairs.

If that I were to speed, I were had got away safe.

 

[Galantspeedz]

No. I believe the drive was some newspaper editor..

 

victim is korean and her 2 children

[Galantspeedz]

Sometimes I think likewise too.

From one of my topic, I said that I hit a stone and cause me 3.5K in repairs.

If that I were to speed, I were had got away safe.

 

how is the MPS? would not mind getting it if not for high price sold by dealer though they take in at very low price

[Aimnfire]

44m.......eerie...

 

anw, its really sad something like tat happened...

ermm.. i tink it takes 2 hands to clap, in this case, a reckless driver and a careless pedestrian..

 

i understand this is not the first time a fatal accident happened along tat stretch..

Can someone be helpful enuf to post a map of that stretch of road?

this info will really be helpful....i will be extra x2 careful when travelling along tat stretch....

 

along that road if i remember correctly was 3 fatal accident

1 was a schoolboy further down up towards Punggol road but on the opposite direction

2. the poor 5 year kid

3. a lady afew hours after accident no 2 near punggol east junction

 

by the way

the area where the child was killed was erected with fence already

so no more jay walking

[Dojon]

The girl may or may not have been crossing dangerously, but dun try to lessen the blame of the driver. The reason that areas like this have a 50 km limit is purely and simply because they do have pedestrians, because young children can be on the road. If you know this area (I do, I live there, my daughter is 5, I visit that mall) you will know that people very reguarly cross the road there*, that cars are turning into and out of the car park.

 

You also know that where he hit her there are NO ILLEGALLY PARKED CARS.

 

The farker may have been going as fast as 85 - that is almost twice the speed limit.

 

Did you know that at 50km you total stopping distance if an object unexpectedly appears in front of you is 30m, but at 80 km/h your reaction time alone is 33m?

 

Did you know that if you hit someone at 50km/h they still have a better than 50% chance of surviving? But if you hit them at 80 km/h they have a 99% chance of death?

 

Do you really want to try and extend any sort of defence at all to a farker that was driving an illegally modified vehicle at close to expressway speeds infront of a residential mall where people very regularly cross the road?

 

*at least they did, now there is a fence in the middle of the road.

 

I read your responses on the case in the other thread as well. I dun think you are being neutral in commenting the case because you are emotionally bias as you had a girl with the age as well as living there.

 

I am staying there and like you had say it, there is a LRT station right in front of the plaza and the correct and legal way of crossing over is to use that public property. There is even lift to take to the bridge if he grandpa was lazy or in weak body condition to climb the stairs. While the driver is definitely at fault but that doesn't necessary mean that the guardian wasn't.

Proper way of crossing the road should be practiced, and if you chose the riskier way then you had to bear the consequences that accompanied with it.

 

[Opel17]

i knocked someone down before when travelling at < 30km/h.... so since i am way below speed limit.. i am not guilty?

 

My heartfelt sentiments are with you in such incidents.

The shits and burden on the car driver is alway very high, even though we know very well that shouldn't be our fault. Simply LL.

How much more are expected from the driver ? Crawl at 5kmh on the 50kmh roads, honk every 5m, jam brake every 10m ?

Just pray that this don't happen to any of us drivers. Or else LL and shits.

 

I hope those with small kids do exercise extreme caution with them. I would never let go of a kid hand, especially in places where there are vehicles [walkway, carpark, driveway, roads, etc...].

OT abit. Last night I saw one forum talking about German 4yrs boy accident with escalator at 313@Somerset. The mother was beside him, his elder brother and father was behind them. His Crocs shoes was caught by the side of the escalator. This is a very sad incident, and I pity the poor boy.

How come he was standing so closely to the side of the escalator ?

 

[Darryn]

I read your responses on the case in the other thread as well. I dun think you are being neutral in commenting the case because you are emotionally bias as you had a girl with the age as well as living there.

 

I am staying there and like you had say it, there is a LRT station right in front of the plaza and the correct and legal way of crossing over is to use that public property. There is even lift to take to the bridge if he grandpa was lazy or in weak body condition to climb the stairs. While the driver is definitely at fault but that doesn't necessary mean that the guardian wasn't.

Proper way of crossing the road should be practiced, and if you chose the riskier way then you had to bear the consequences that accompanied with it.

 

yes, in perfect world they would cross properly. I am quite angry about it.

 

As always it takes two hands to clap in any accident, but given the "normal practise" there, that everyone sees and knows about and the quite extreme speed of the driver this takes on a bit of a different shape.

 

Remember this was around 6 something, when traffic (vehicle and pedestrian) is heavy there. Now, if it was say 10 plus pm, and the driver only doing say 60 I would be slamming the grandpa....

 

For me, this crosses from being an "accident" for the driver into "asking for something to happen"...that is why I am quite aggro about it

[Leok777]

Yes both are at fault but if the driver was driving within the speed limit I don't think the girl would have died. So now who really carries the lion's share of the blame? Isn't this why we are told to drive defensively?

[Vhtfhwlego]

My car is ok now.

If that you want a MPS now, I know of someone selling.

It had been tracked by me as he is working for my customer. Saw his ad and just sms to enquire.

Asked him a few question and bingo, I know of his old ad http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=24907

[Blackyv]

yes, in perfect world they would cross properly. I am quite angry about it.

 

As always it takes two hands to clap in any accident, but given the "normal practise" there, that everyone sees and knows about and the quite extreme speed of the driver this takes on a bit of a different shape.

 

Remember this was around 6 something, when traffic (vehicle and pedestrian) is heavy there. Now, if it was say 10 plus pm, and the driver only doing say 60 I would be slamming the grandpa....

 

For me, this crosses from being an "accident" for the driver into "asking for something to happen"...that is why I am quite aggro about it

 

... 6pm+ is super peak along that stretch....at that timing, im sure there were Q of cars going into punggol plaza and there were cars coming out and not to mentioned those park illegally on the double zig-zag just out from pp and bunch of jaywalkers.....

 

for those who stay around that area knows very well, it's as busy as orchard road...

someone must be insane to drive at that speed at that time slot....

 

[Dojon]

yes, in perfect world they would cross properly. I am quite angry about it.

 

As always it takes two hands to clap in any accident, but given the "normal practise" there, that everyone sees and knows about and the quite extreme speed of the driver this takes on a bit of a different shape.

 

Remember this was around 6 something, when traffic (vehicle and pedestrian) is heavy there. Now, if it was say 10 plus pm, and the driver only doing say 60 I would be slamming the grandpa....

 

For me, this crosses from being an "accident" for the driver into "asking for something to happen"...that is why I am quite aggro about it

 

How you want to judge something of "normal practice" using the law, the "Perfect Practice"? For example, all the car owners that park in a carpark had "normal practice" of not buying season ticket and when there is a summon issued. Can we say "the 'normal practice' in the car park is that we park free what", "why you dun come in the day when i am at work?? "

 

If you had say the "normal practice" there for pedestrians is to cross the road illegally then i would say the "normal practice" for the all road drivers is to drive faster on a straight and clear road.

 

Both are at fault and the larger blame should go to the driver because a life was lost for the other party.

[Maxus-MIFA9]

Quote from Link : "traffic police would be liaising with the Land Transport Authority on prosecuting the car salesman on the illegal modifications done on his Impreza."

 

Driving a modified car somemore.........