Am I sensitive or is this stupid?

[Tom_kkh]

the cert is to show that yr darling is capable of handling a "different" second language.

 

So, ilet say one day yr dear fails the second language exam, the government will be able to wash its hand off entirely.

 

They will show you prove that not only u have sign for her to study Mandarin, you have even prove that she is capable of handling it.

 

So if she cannot get to UNi because her mandarin fails her, its yr fault.

 

It works both way too, if one day u have regretted not sending her to her own mother tongue, am not sure, for example "Malay" and one fine day she was rejected due to her lack of the Malay language for whatever application that requires Malay language as a priority, you cannot blame the government too.

 

Again they will bring out this cert and say, u enrolled her for Mandarin, The MOE sees that she is capable of handling it, so they approve it, nothing wrong with MOE. Its not that MOE did not evaluate yr application before approval.

[Viceroymenthol]

Thank you Sir, this is exactly the point I am trying to make...

 

you high IQ white people don't know the difference between multi-racial and mono-racial?

 

you dunno the difference between melting pot and salad bowl?

 

melting pot = all singaporeans fcuk with each other, eventually coming out one single race (mono-racial)

 

salad bowl = all singaporeans get to keep their own cultures and races separate, so as to make this a more interesting society (multi-racial)

 

So do you want singapore to be multi-racial or mono-racial?

[Darryn]

you high IQ white people don't know the difference between multi-racial and mono-racial?

 

you dunno the difference between melting pot and salad bowl?

 

melting pot = all singaporeans fcuk with each other, eventually coming out one single race (mono-racial)

 

salad bowl = all singaporeans get to keep their own cultures and races separate, so as to make this a more interesting society (multi-racial)

 

So do you want singapore to be multi-racial or mono-racial?

 

Heh...I know the difference all to well...all I want is that my daughter is judged on her merits and not on my skin colour. Is that too much to ask? that she follows her interests and what feels right for her without having to jump through hoops, or complete extra forms, or be judged differently because her daddy happens to have white skin? That's not really much of a stretch right?

[Silver_z]

Well, it is time MOE keep up with time and change what needs to be changed. Mabbe Darryn can start the ball rolling.

 

By the way, I always thot it was 2nd language. Since when did it become mother tongue? EL1, CL2, ML2, etc.... now is CMT and MMT?

 

I believe all races should have the equal opportunity to learn their desired 2nd language. By restricting a non chinese from learning chinese is as discriminatory as a chinese school not accepting other race or a catholic school not accepting non catholics.

[Jman888]

Heh...I know the difference all to well...all I want is that my daughter is judged on her merits and not on my skin colour. Is that too much to ask? that she follows her interests and what feels right for her without having to jump through hoops, or complete extra forms, or be judged differently because her daddy happens to have white skin? That's not really much of a stretch right?

 

actually after all this, i really think you are sensitive just because you think they are judging you base on your skin..... nothing to do with the form or whatever approval thingy, they will do the same to me if i choose malay as MT for my kid, what is the big deal? Lucky the document are all in english, do you want them to hand you a chinese form and ask you to fill in with chinese words if you opt chinese as MT?

 

be tolerant in this society also mean to be comfort with who you are which you still have a problem after so many years here.

[Hwt]

with all your questions, i think you will bang your head to the wall if you live in MY or Indo.......

 

I think there isn't a need to ask such questions in Malaysia. I am not aware of similar rules there. There is freedom, just that one has to learn at least the national language and English. Many people are learning three languages, without having to seek permission from a government department. There are Chinese studying in Malay schools, and Malays and Indians enrolled in Chinese schools. The only thing needed is probably to convince the school to admit them.

Edited July 22, 2010 by Hwt

[Cerano]

He is not a Jedi yet!

 

he is still a padawan

[Cam]

Today I completed Primary One registration under phase 2B at my local primary school.

 

The process went smoothly, except for one point. I had selected

[JasonPiperSg]

crap policies....or the staff juz wanna show that she's working.

[Cam]

Heh...I am a bit of a stubborn and difficult pratt sometimes...my wife likes to call me "mary" (as in Mary Mary quite contrary)..

 

Was chatting to my colleague about how pissed I was..told him that I had half a mind to register the kid for Tamil just to be difficult

Then do you have a choice not to learn Maori in NZ? Dun try to make things difficult for others lah.....TL man!

[Darryn]

Then do you have a choice not to learn Maori in NZ? Dun try to make things difficult for others lah.....TL man!

 

Is not compulsory to learn Maori in NZ, but there is much funding should you wish to take the initiative and learn it yourself

[Darryn]

This is SG fren... just follow law lah........ anyway the race in your IC is just on paper... more importantly as what you mention , your beliefs and upbringing is what you are. My wife has got Burmese in her IC but she is born, bred in SG and dun speak a single word of Burmese.

 

Ha.. fren, 'A policy that directly tells one student that they are different from another, can only have the outcome of students believing that they are different

[Darryn]

This type of issue abt wat race..wat it means etc.... i think 90% Singaporeans dun even give a thought about it and you are sore abt being labelled Eurasian....?

 

By the way - I have not been labelled Eurasian, I am sore because I have been labelled at all..

[Genie47]

About this race matter I think SG have to really GROW UP!

 

Watch this from PBS. Jane Elliott deserves my respect. It shouldn't be done in this day and age but we need to do it.

 

Please watch the full program. I urge you all.

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/divided/

 

For those who prefer Youtube.

 

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BrFHq-t2VY

 

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UbNp15zDtE

 

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPIxU6_ClIM

 

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLEEJuHgnk4

 

So what if you wore your own racial/cultural/religious attire to school? I told my daughter that. Do you know how it feels like to be Malay? Do you know how it feels like when people look at you distrustingly because some SOB went online, got himself recruited and intend to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan?

 

Do you know how it feels like to be an Indian? You wake up every morning and someone lumps you with the many overseas contract workers who come here?

 

Do you know how it feels like to be a Chinese. Chinese, the house and den of gamblers and money worshippers. The kind of people who will sell their mothers.

 

Do you know how it feels to be a white man? Always superior, with ways above other heathen ways. Whom the Chinese associate with barbarism, hedonistic lifestyle and tight 3rd world pu55y chasers when they retire. But who cares. They have never woken up being black, Hispanic, Indian, Chinese or Malay.

 

Watch all that Jane has to teach you. It is always in our way how we see each other. Sure there isn't racism here the gahment says. Nobody believes there is racism in Singapore. All our children wear each other's traditional dress. Cosmetic. Plain cosmetic.

 

You don't need to put your children through what Jane has did. Just remind yourself and your treatment to the other races. Racism is a learned response.

 

If you have watched the video, did you see what the induce eye color racism did to the kids school performance? So the politicians in our neighbor up north. Do you know what implications this little test means? If you yourself tell yourself that you are not good as the other races or there is this grand illusion that the other races are better and you need assistance. You will NEVER REALIZE your true potential.

[Genie47]

By the way - I have not been labelled Eurasian, I am sore because I have been labelled at all..

 

Because on the IC it is called "OTHERS". Like you are some kind of pariah that the SG gahment and society can label.

 

How about the leaders wear a sticker on their head "I CANNOT APOLOGISE DUE TO DYSFUNCTION". If they can, we can just forgive them on every little thing they did wrong. Aferall, if it is genetic, it's a get-out-of-jail free card. If a man is short and balding, he will not like genetics. But if he is brilliant but if pride is proven to be a genetic dysfunction, we can keep electing them into office.

 

Retards need employment and we don't want to be seen as discriminatory towards the mentally dysfunctional and challenged.

[Genie47]

Then do you have a choice not to learn Maori in NZ? Dun try to make things difficult for others lah.....TL man!

 

So do you have a choice to wake up in the morning as a minority in this country? Would you want to wake up one day and become a minority like 3-4hrs. Like how Jane conducts her classes. Would you want to go through that to know how it feels like? Would you just follow because this is SG? Lets say you wore a songkok to a job interview and you got rejected and some not completed P6 Chinese got it?

 

Have you really been in a difficult situation like this? Would you shake your fist at the interviewer or company? Then when you do people say YOUR RACE/KIND OF PEOPLE/SEXUAL ORIENTATION are violent and want to make trouble. Should be like the rest. Just follow because this is Singapore.

 

Just like how you are labeling Darryn now.

[Genie47]

actually after all this, i really think you are sensitive just because you think they are judging you base on your skin..... nothing to do with the form or whatever approval thingy, they will do the same to me if i choose malay as MT for my kid, what is the big deal? Lucky the document are all in english, do you want them to hand you a chinese form and ask you to fill in with chinese words if you opt chinese as MT?

 

be tolerant in this society also mean to be comfort with who you are which you still have a problem after so many years here.

 

Should we be sensitive? Why should we not be sensitive? Is it right that people judge us by our skin color? Our sexual orientation? Our socio-economic position? Our height?

 

Is this what we call tolerant? Letting people judge us by all those listed above?

 

The other day I whacked my daughter for calling a school-mate a "dwarf". It is unfortunate but he does suffer from dwarfism. He is a happy kid but his face changed when my daughter said ever so loudly. "Look he is a dwarf!" I didn't know where I can hide my face. My wife apologized. I went home and whacked the crap out of her. Just because he is a dwarf doesn't mean he can be called that.

 

She tearfully asked me then what should she call him. I told her to call him by his name. She said she doesn't know. "So ask him."

 

The other day, she said "look at those Malay boys." I glared at her and told her that she to call them "boys". I don't need anymore description unless it is a crime scene witness statement.

[Genie47]

Well ok...but that's a matter for another day...does forcing people to record their differences on their ic, reinforce those differences or allow for better management of those differences. And why, if we are all Singaporeans, must there be a "quota" of races within a community - doesn't that just further reinforce (supposed) differences. As it happens, I do agree with the way this was implemented in the past, but wonder how relevant it is as we move forward.

 

Race politics are inherited from the Brits that ran this place before. Malaysia has a more subtle and expanded version of the same thing we have here.

 

Some people must be kept the minority so that the discrimination can silently go on without question.

 

Why should it be a matter in another day? This thread is perfect for it.

 

BTW, I am linguistically discriminated by my own race when I was young. A kid who is fluent in English and speaks with an accent that is clearly not Singaporean though he has never been educated in the UK or the US. Who flunked every Chinese exam till Sec4. Who was spat at by boys as he worked in a fast food restaurant because he couldn't converse in Chinese. Was derided by a customer to be an ABC though he was 100% born locally.

 

The Chinese are the majority here. As the video from PBS suggests, those that are the majority will never feel discrimination taking place because they are not the object of the discrimination. It is so easy to say there is no discrimination. That those that complain are "too sensitive".

 

Imagine that. Me being in a majority ethnic group, discriminated against by my own ethnic group. For years, I hated my own ethnic group. Now, I see them as a product of a system bent of amplifying these differences for the purpose of fear. Fear to whip economic policies into place.