OPC fine?

[Robin]

ERP gantries will read your IU when u pass thru them

 

Next time ah gong will be using satellite tracking... no escape

 

[Kangadrool]

Besides ERP gantries and traffic light cameras, what else do they use to track?

[Bugts]

to all bro & sis who forgot to buy e-licence,

 

yesterday just received registered mail. fine $500.

date of offence :4th Jun 2010

first letter receive on :30th Aug 2010

summon letter receive on :27th Sept 2010

 

i really forgot to buy! anyway to those who want to cheat, not worth it.

always keep your sms or receipt to prove you transcation of buying. after mths , i dunno when did i drive out.

imagine they sent you letter telling you 3mths ago you xx date never buy, that xx date never buy but u thought get can get away. fine confirm can pay back OPC $17000.

 

now i can sleep well.. LTA

[Erichua06]

recently i appealed my case and got a $500 fine which they say is an exceptional case....i supposed this is the lowest amount

lately kana another letter saying i was driving w/o an e-day licence when i was actually working....after 2wks, still no news on how they can prove it's my vehicle....along upper thomson road. i believe they have someone on the road to catch us....nbz

[CWS78]

recently i appealed my case and got a $500 fine which they say is an exceptional case....i supposed this is the lowest amount

lately kana another letter saying i was driving w/o an e-day licence when i was actually working....after 2wks, still no news on how they can prove it's my vehicle....along upper thomson road. i believe they have someone on the road to catch us....nbz

what time of offence n what mode of capture?

mine was 8am by ERP as stated in letter...

[PDK]

To those drives an OPC, is it really that difficult to remember that you need to buy a daily license to drive it during restricted hours?

I just cannot fathom how someone can forget such a thing when its almost as second nature as waking up each morning and brushing your teeth

Hence, the authorities need to impose extremely punitive punishment on those who drive OPCs and fail to buy their daily license. I would think that any appeal would fall on deaf ears and even warrant a more severe form of punishment.

The OPC scheme has been around for a long time and had been tweaked to benefit OPC owners. Therefore, I am quite certain that those who try to exploit this scheme would not be spared any punishment if they're caught. So really better be safe than sorry. If dementia has set in, then better buy a normal car and use it at all times rather than claim that you forgot to buy that daily license and plead for just a slap on the wrist.

[Doofy]

i dont think there will be any appeal process. go to court directly.

[Doofy]

agree.

[Doraemarc]

To those drives an OPC, is it really that difficult to remember that you need to buy a daily license to drive it during restricted hours?

I just cannot fathom how someone can forget such a thing when its almost as second nature as waking up each morning and brushing your teeth

Hence, the authorities need to impose extremely punitive punishment on those who drive OPCs and fail to buy their daily license. I would think that any appeal would fall on deaf ears and even warrant a more severe form of punishment.

The OPC scheme has been around for a long time and had been tweaked to benefit OPC owners. Therefore, I am quite certain that those who try to exploit this scheme would not be spared any punishment if they're caught. So really better be safe than sorry. If dementia has set in, then better buy a normal car and use it at all times rather than claim that you forgot to buy that daily license and plead for just a slap on the wrist.

 

bro u drive OPC? how u know it's 2nd nature?

 

anyway i used to drive a OPC, but as there is no physical coupon to indicate whether u had bought it or not, sometimes u would really forget whether u bought or not... esp u drove for work, n totally engrossed in it due to heavy work load where ur mind is totally occupy with work....

 

i empathise with those who face the issue of not buying it as i can understand sometimes by the time u rmb it's alr midnite when system alr close....

 

 

[Doraemarc]

i dont think there will be any appeal process. go to court directly.

 

they will offer u a compound fine... if not paid by due den go court....

 

 

[Noel]

they will offer u a compound fine... if not paid by due den go court....

 

yup

[Cheenang]

To those drives an OPC, is it really that difficult to remember that you need to buy a daily license to drive it during restricted hours?

I just cannot fathom how someone can forget such a thing when its almost as second nature as waking up each morning and brushing your teeth

Hence, the authorities need to impose extremely punitive punishment on those who drive OPCs and fail to buy their daily license. I would think that any appeal would fall on deaf ears and even warrant a more severe form of punishment.

The OPC scheme has been around for a long time and had been tweaked to benefit OPC owners. Therefore, I am quite certain that those who try to exploit this scheme would not be spared any punishment if they're caught. So really better be safe than sorry. If dementia has set in, then better buy a normal car and use it at all times rather than claim that you forgot to buy that daily license and plead for just a slap on the wrist.

 

In a perfect world, nobody forgets anything. the truth is , it is not second nature, as most OPC drivers dont use their car everyday. I use to sing the same tune as you as for 3 long years, I have never missed buying a coupon, and for a good 2 and a half years, I have never driven through an ERP gantry without a cash card in my card reader. But 6 months ago, on a nice saturday afternoon, I drove through Orchard gantry without a card in my reader, even though I have the habit of inserting my card into the reader everytime I hop into the car, regardless of what day it is. and 4 days ago, I drove my OPC on a Friday and did not remember buying until Sunday afternoon, even though I have the habit of putting it in my calender as a task, and with alarm too.

 

Is it difficult to remember? No , it is not, as for 3 years I have remember every single time.

 

I am sure there are some drivers who try to exploit the system, but I cannot understand everytimne somebody comes in and say they forgot, people will start assuming that he or she was trying to exploit or cheat or say things like "you should not forget", nice one but I believe memory don't exactly work that way.

 

No drivers or normal cars ever forget to top up their cash card?, or no drivers of normal cars forgot to top up their packing coupon?

 

I see many normal cars parked along the road side just besides the small mall near my place, eating away and tried to save on a fifty cents parking fee...maybe its easy for them to forget because they are driving a normal car?.

 

[Jack10]

Bro, i Just got my first letter today. I cant even remember whether i use my car on that day, if i did, i must have forgotten to buy cause i have been buying the e day license all this while.

 

For your fine amount. Is it given to u w/out appeal??

I mean did they fine u 500 without u appealing?

Man.. now i regret buying opc. Very troublesome. I never thought i would forget. Then if we appeal also no point. they wont believe us.

[Celicar]

bro u drive OPC? how u know it's 2nd nature?

 

anyway i used to drive a OPC, but as there is no physical coupon to indicate whether u had bought it or not, sometimes u would really forget whether u bought or not... esp u drove for work, n totally engrossed in it due to heavy work load where ur mind is totally occupy with work....

 

i empathise with those who face the issue of not buying it as i can understand sometimes by the time u rmb it's alr midnite when system alr close....

The point is, the rules are clear and OPC drivers participate in the scheme knowing the rules. Whether forgetting is second nature or not is not the issue. May be genuine, may not be. But even if it is, why should the consequences of that be shifted away from the driver? The rule does not say that there are exceptions for forgetting. Forget, fingers got chopped off, fainted, handphone got swallowed by the dog, rat chewed through your internet cable, was having a 48-hour orgy, what is to say one reason merits a waiver more than another? It is strict liability, the mentality/reasons behind it occuring is irrelevant. In fact, if I had to rank reasons, then in my personal view, forgetting to purchase the licence ranks really really low in the hierarchy of reasons to 'warrant' a waiver.

[Doraemarc]

The point is, the rules are clear and OPC drivers participate in the scheme knowing the rules. Whether forgetting is second nature or not is not the issue. May be genuine, may not be. But even if it is, why should the consequences of that be shifted away from the driver? The rule does not say that there are exceptions for forgetting. Forget, fingers got chopped off, fainted, handphone got swallowed by the dog, rat chewed through your internet cable, was having a 48-hour orgy, what is to say one reason merits a waiver more than another? It is strict liability, the mentality/reasons behind it occuring is irrelevant. In fact, if I had to rank reasons, then in my personal view, forgetting to purchase the licence ranks really really low in the hierarchy of reasons to 'warrant' a waiver.

 

not to start a arguement, but i would honestly say i'm e one not wanting to exploit anything from OPC (not even 10mins!!) person but there are times it really slipped off the mind... u cant speak for pple who are truly muddle headed... nor i condone the actions of pple who 'spoil the market' too...

 

i truly think there muz be a channel for pple who din buy within the 48hr window, but went down to inform LTA about an honest mistake... wat is so difficult to let these pple backpay the $20? end of the day, he came forth front to LTA to admit it anyway.. shouldn't we be giving these honest pple a chance to rectify? as long they din try to evade n 'act blur' over it, i believe they do warrant some concession... eg when u did not top up cash card due to some reason, den pple label u as cheatskate who try to cheat few cents or max few dollars, wat will u feel? imagine when u go down LTA to explain your case, they fine u $100 for an mistake which only cost few dollars, how would u feel?

 

now back to pple who still dun understand how OPC e-day license work: once upon a time, there is a paper coupon to be displayed in front of windscreen when u drive. so definitely before u drive u will tear the coupon 1st as it needs to be displayed, like 2nd nature as a bro mentioned earlier.. cos any TP/LTA officer peep ur windcreen n no coupon, u r dead. so at that time, those pple who did not display the paper coupon, it muz be a deliberate attempt to not display it. these r e pple deserve to be punish heavily.

 

with the current system, there is no paper. so no visual reminder. even if TP / LTA pple see ur car, they wont stop u also since the window is 48hrs. now, if i were deliberately wanting to drive w/o paying, i would not have go up to LTA n report a negligence on my part on the third day after driving!! u truly think i still wanna test the system if i know my car was logged by ERP or if happened to be sen by TP / LTA? if so, these hardcore drivers deserve to be punish heavily also!! but the case now is we make a mistake, we go to LTA to report dat we made an honest mistake, we were deem committing an offence.... it's not as if we had kill someone n surrender to police, hoping for waiver. it's something that can rectify juz by a click on the mouse!! wat is so difficult???

 

i've 4gotten to buy for 3 times.... it may sound unbeliveable to some of u here but it truly happen, n all 3 times were honest mistakes... thru this, i come to accept OPC is not muddle headed pple like me, so i changed to a normal plate car. though no longer an OPC owner, i still empathise with bros here who made an honest mistake, tried to rectify but was brushed away...

Edited September 28, 2010 by Doraemarc

[Doraemarc]

Bro, i Just got my first letter today. I cant even remember whether i use my car on that day, if i did, i must have forgotten to buy cause i have been buying the e day license all this while.

 

For your fine amount. Is it given to u w/out appeal??

I mean did they fine u 500 without u appealing?

Man.. now i regret buying opc. Very troublesome. I never thought i would forget. Then if we appeal also no point. they wont believe us.

 

my 1st time was waived off... cos still in Jan, system still new so they give chance.. after Mar 2010 there is no more waiver.

 

my 2nd time (can consider as 1st time after Mar) they fined $500 without appeal.. appeal also kena turn down....

 

my 3rd time (2nd after Mar) still pending... heard some bro here say 2nd fine is $2k... nothing been heard yet...

 

i fully agree with you.... i also regret buying OPC.... dat's y now i change to normal plate car to avoid 4th, 5th, 6th.........

 

 

[XALmoN]

the amount of fines you guys pay, got 17k or not?

[Good-Carbuyer]

any bro know the exact fine 1st time offender to drive during peak hr without valid day licence? call up LTA ask me wait for letter den appeal.

some say $500. $5000 is maximum. pls advice thanks!

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