Weak cranking and fail to start engine

[Edminski]

Hi,I driving an Altis too.I only need around 7 electrical sound to start the engine.Not more than that.I think your starter motor not ok,else it's the spark plug.When you start,

 

switch to "on" and allow the airbag and ABS light goes off,then start the engine.Off all the aircon and audio system.

 

bro, 7 electrical sound is how many seconds..? is it also sounds like *ee ee ee ee ee ee ee ee voom*?

 

i also suspect its the spark plug too...btw is yours G10 or below? i am curious to know if only G10 having this issue?

 

Also, maybe its not the car problem, maybe its the way i start the engine too...will try to start the engine carefully in future and monitor the result

 

thanks all for your input..now i will list down all the possibilities so that i can spoon-feed these possibilities to BM if i still having problem this week

[S-gt]

Note all the suggestions and yr ride is 21/2 mths only

 

Base on normal car.

1) After the mech check, did he show you the voltage & current b4 and aft crank reading for yr present batt. Not enough to ignite the first punch.

2) Starter motor... intermittent.

3) Alternator/ regulator all elect sys pls get them check as well...cos sometimes can and cannot intertwined between all these components, ie able to store charges or just purely draining.

4) Spark plug.. if at fault then timing is not at correct firing when you drive off.

5) Spark Plug cable..same

6) Fuel pump/ lines choke.. then it will not even start.. but you can continue driving without much complaint of dirt built up in it.

 

Maybe not so complicated bec is still <3 mths,. i can only say highly is batt/ connection from batt (any impurities build up/ seen at its lugs). Able to let them change to a new batt then hear and see the different. Good batt if not use will deplete as well.

 

Hope you are lucky else if still not able to detect the faults... the BM can close shop..

[Edminski]

Note all the suggestions and yr ride is 21/2 mths only

 

Base on normal car.

1) After the mech check, did he show you the voltage & current b4 and aft crank reading for yr present batt. Not enough to ignite the first punch.

2) Starter motor... intermittent.

3) Alternator/ regulator all elect sys pls get them check as well...cos sometimes can and cannot intertwined between all these components, ie able to store charges or just purely draining.

4) Spark plug.. if at fault then timing is not at correct firing when you drive off.

5) Spark Plug cable..same

6) Fuel pump/ lines choke.. then it will not even start.. but you can continue driving without much complaint of dirt built up in it.

 

Maybe not so complicated bec is still <3 mths,. i can only say highly is batt/ connection from batt (any impurities build up/ seen at its lugs). Able to let them change to a new batt then hear and see the different. Good batt if not use will deplete as well.

 

Hope you are lucky else if still not able to detect the faults... the BM can close shop..

 

its really good to have such info in forum...thank you so much!

[Ladykillerz]

if what you stated is true, demand for a 1-to-1 exchange.

else, fix your ride or STOMP it! =x

[Ken4555]

bro, cannot take lorry to compare.

 

Infact, if you realise, those Diesel engine can start engine in less than 1 second.

I rented a 10 years old Hyundai Van, engine gets started by just a twist.

 

okok probably lousy example..

 

cause that lorry really has difference if you dont give a 2-3 second warmup to the starter motor be4 you crank...

[Japan96]

I think you have to do a full Engine check or car check urself outside. And get a report and complain the to CASE trust lor. Maybe is your spark plug or fuel pump problem.

 

Must be the problem with all those thing that involve starting the engine la.

[Bullterrier]

Bro, from what you describe, it does not sound like a battery problem. More of the engine ignition problem which as pointed out by the other bros here, could be fuel, spark plug ignition, ECU etc. Whatever the case as a lay person, its not your problem to figure it out. Remember the age old saying "the noisy wheel gets the grease". Go to BM, tell them u want to see a the workshop manager or other senior person. Tell them your problem and that you are not accepting any of those "its normal" nonsense s--t unless they can show you two similar model cars there that starts the same way as yours.

[Edminski]

i sent a feedback yesterday to complain this issue to BM.

The branch manager replied today nicely and asked me to bring down tmr to check again. Promised me to do a complete thorough check. Branch manager will handle my case personally tomorrow. Cross my fingers. Will update you guys again tomorrow ok? thanks for all the concern

 

Today status :

Morning crank : Perfect.

Afternoon lunch time drive out : Perfect

Finished Lunch, drive from other venue back office : Perfect

Knock off from work for dinner : Perfect

Left hawker center : Crank 4-5seconds to start (Not perfect again. Eeh eeh eeh eeh eeh eeh eeh eeh eeh voom)

Took voice recorder on this already. Went back home replay and replay. Really sounds not ok

 

* Perfect means 1-2 second crank and it started

[Edminski]

Bro, from what you describe, it does not sound like a battery problem. More of the engine ignition problem which as pointed out by the other bros here, could be fuel, spark plug ignition, ECU etc. Whatever the case as a lay person, its not your problem to figure it out. Remember the age old saying "the noisy wheel gets the grease". Go to BM, tell them u want to see a the workshop manager or other senior person. Tell them your problem and that you are not accepting any of those "its normal" nonsense s--t unless they can show you two similar model cars there that starts the same way as yours.

 

yup...tomorrow the workshop manager will handle my case. Hope it can be solved....

 

hope i will not smile smile walk in and black face walk out again

[Redplanet]

3) The mechanic, when test drive my vehicle, always put the gear from R to D without the car coming to a COMPLETE STOP. Also didn't even press the button to shift my gear. When a leaf got stucked on my wind screen, the mechanic just off the engine for the wiper to stop at vertical position then he open the window to pull off the leaf with the wiper at the position of his favour. (He on and off my ignition 3 times for the wiper to reach that position >.<)

 

OMG....OMFG....I will make sure i see blood.

[Passion]

bro, 7 electrical sound is how many seconds..? is it also sounds like *ee ee ee ee ee ee ee ee voom*?

 

i also suspect its the spark plug too...btw is yours G10 or below? i am curious to know if only G10 having this issue?

 

Also, maybe its not the car problem, maybe its the way i start the engine too...will try to start the engine carefully in future and monitor the result

 

thanks all for your input..now i will list down all the possibilities so that i can spoon-feed these possibilities to BM if i still having problem this week

7 electrical sound is around 2 seconds or so.Yup,mine is the latest version.I think it's the G10 model.Anyway,not all have this problem.

[Hulk]

i didnt install anything (Except ssbh..dont think ssbh will affect this).

 

The rest all stock..

 

i suspect its really the battery.

Is it possible that the battery testing result shows normal and the battery is faulty too?

 

Bro, if I were you I will go change the battery first. Heck care the battery test result, voltage may show normal but the current (Ah) is no longer holding.

[Pisces69]

Hi TS,

 

Sad to tell you that Borneo Motor Service mechanic are HOPELESS!

 

Seriously need to spoon feed them to tell them what to do.

 

Anyway, how do they check your battery?

Just clamp the 2 terminals and read or they got test with the engine cranking?

 

Spark plug I believe should can factor in too. Ask them to check for you.

 

If they still say your car is normal, dare them to compare with another Altis.

I did this to the mechanic for my Vios regarding my compressor noise.

He say my Vios's compressor noise is perfectly normal (Of course I know it's not normal. I drive for how long liao?)

I dare him to take another Vios and compare. (He is stupid enough to take an older Vios to compare.)

In the end, Old Vios aircon compressor noise QUIETER than my newer Vios!

He LLST diam diam.

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Most of those mechs r newbie trainee mechs who have very little knowledge. They try to cover up by giving all sorts of stupid explernations but if someone knows about cars & engines, they wil know the mech is Bull5hitting.

 

Thats the problem by being tied down to the AD warranty . I threw my so called "warranty" in the trashbin when I bought my car 2nd hand.

 

[Fcw75]

Please go in with a stern and serious face and not smiling face.

[Edminski]

ok here is the video of my long cranking

Also notice how the light change (when i crank, the light is off...listen to the ee ee ee ee sound and light appear again after started). Is it long cranking enough?

 

[Pisces69]

still one week, i think you can go tml liao.

Make noise. make so much noise till everyone can hear you.

People at Borneo eats "Hard", they don't eat "Soft"

 

Don't you have enough? They don't know your problem then they just give you stupid reason.

 

Also not to mention,

1) Their service is slow.

2) Repeat complain DOES NOT GET priority attention. Just join the queue. Leave the car there then come back after hours.

3) The mechanic, when test drive my vehicle, always put the gear from R to D without the car coming to a COMPLETE STOP. Also didn't even press the button to shift my gear. When a leaf got stucked on my wind screen, the mechanic just off the engine for the wiper to stop at vertical position then he open the window to pull off the leaf with the wiper at the position of his favour. (He on and off my ignition 3 times for the wiper to reach that position >.<)

 

Hope my point 3 can be understood.

No one would like to see such thing being happened on your car.

 

 

First few visit, Walk in Smile Smile, Walk out Face Black Black.

Last few visit, Walk in Face Black Black, Walk out Smile Smile.

 

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Almost all of the mechs I dealt with b4 from those big ws were utter idiots who paid very little regard to the cars they were repairing.

 

Most r trainees who r underpaid, under trained & over worked on menial tasks.

 

I gave up long long ago on using those big ws & presently use a OMO small ws where the mech is also the boss.

 

Ive been using him for about 20 years & have no regrets. He never give me all that BS which those trainee mechs used to try to shove down my throat.

 

I am totally disappointed with the level of knowledge, professionalism & honesty of those big ws.

 

If u can, find a smaller ws that has proper qualified mechanics & u wil b a happier person with less chance of having an early heart-attack.

[Pisces69]

hahah...agree with you totally bro...during my 1k servicing, i highlighted to the mechanic that the brake is spongy. Ya now then i know that alot of cars have spongy brake too. I am too used to my sunny's brake already so when i change to this new ride, i am not used to spongy brake

 

The mechanic tested the car with me sitting beside him. He ram the accelerator so hard and brake so hard. The point is, its my new car and he ram so hard for what [rifle] (I have been driving so carefully telling myself not to ram hard already)

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He ram your car cos he trying to tell u to get out of his farking face & he is finding u a nuisance. He hopes that by doing that, u wil go away & never come back.

 

That is the kind of "service" u come to expect from those big ws. Their standards r lower than even 3rd world standards.

[Edminski]

Can someone tell me is my cranking is longer than normal? (from the video i posted above)

 

OR is my cranking is just normal for my case, nothing wrong with it?

 

If you feel that its normal (as mentioned by BM mechanic, how do you explain the failure to start the engine that happens twice within about 1month?

It just eeeee eeee eee eeee eeee and engine cant start at all

Edited May 31, 2010 by Edminski