If like tat is whose wrong ??

[Atonchia]

I don't think the musso tailgated the camry, seems to be at least 5 car length and within the 2 second rule in dry condition, and the speed there is only 70km/hr unless the camry also exceeded the speed, but from the stopping distance the camry seems to be within a comfortable speed.

The only problem is the musso driver never release his accelerator and prepared his right foot on the brakes and reacted a little bit too late on his brake.

[Nzy]

Musso driver should release accelerator and cover the brake when approaching traffic light junction.

[Nf0rc3r]

In insurance coy's point of view or in common sense point of view?

 

Insurance coy confirm 100% Musso's fault no argument. Tried to chiong red light and never anticipate action of cars in front.

 

In common sense point of view, camry could had gone pass safely thru the orange light with ample time leftover. Not saying its camry's fault, juz that he could had avoided such a risk or incident if he din e-brake. Musson fault for never predicting what car in front will do and practice defensive driving.

[Redboy]

actually, the camry driver had every right to brake since he can see musso not too near. Afterall, if he chiong, who can guarantee he won't get the fine?

 

But then the musso is keeping a reasonable distance.

Once he sees camry brake light & traffic light, he shd brake hard early first. Agree?

From video, the musso keep chionging & then braked hard at the end, hoping for the best.

I suspect musso driver was either not concentrating on driving or not aware of his vehicle's braking ability.

 

When I looked at video, there are no vehicles beside, so if musso driver reacts fast enuf, he could have swerved to lane beside.

 

2 important lessons:

(i) Anticipate & brake early, (ii) Be aware of surroundings & be prepared to react to avoid accident (e.g. swerve)

Edited May 13, 2010 by Redboy

[Lamemonster]

both is at wrong .....

 

1st ) camry should not e brake on amber,as he is approching stop line so he should follow through and not jam brake.

2nd ) kimchi expect camry to follow through so never tot he will jam brake on amber so reaction slowed down to determine camry reaction.

3rd ) 3 sec to determine camry reaction have ultimately contributed to kimchi braking late.

4th ) Take note of other car beside both cars,tat blue car beside kimchi still drove pass the junction on amber light.

5th ) camry rear wheel already touch the stop line while still in amber.

 

from TP point of view, camry have contributed 95% fault, so claim own insurances....

 

 

2cents

Edited May 13, 2010 by Lamemonster

[Csnewbie]

I think both at fault.

For me I wouldn't follow so close.

If I were camry driver I wouldn't e-brake.

Exact liabilities would be calculated by insurance co

based on accident reports & measurements by police if any.

[Nmnhnlm]

wat lao traveling at tat sort of speed and the camry choosed to ebrake and not chiong the amber?

 

YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CHIONG RED and AMBER LIGHT!!

 

When you see amber it means to tell you to stop already. Unless you are so closed to the traffic light that you can't stop then you chiong thru. Else you stop.

 

Even if its green light and the Camry stop the musso is still in the wrong cause failed to keep sufficient distance. The camry can simply say that a car infront of him jam brake blah blah....

 

This case totally no fight. The musso behind is at fault and the camry will claim 100% from the musso for tailgating (maybe speeding as well).

 

Thats why drive safely and keep a proper distance. Not tailgate....

[Nmnhnlm]

both is at wrong .....

 

1st ) camry should not e brake on amber,as he is approching stop line so he should follow through and not jam brake.

2nd ) kimchi expect camry to follow through so never tot he will jam brake on amber so reaction slowed down to determine camry reaction.

3rd ) 3 sec to determine camry reaction have ultimately contributed to kimchi braking late.

4th ) Take note of other car beside both cars,tat blue car beside kimchi still drove pass the junction on amber light.

5th ) camry rear wheel already touch the stop line while still in amber.

 

from TP point of view, camry have contributed 95% fault, so claim own insurances....

 

 

2cents

 

If you tell this to TP, you will kana fug by him left, right, center esp. your No.2

 

When did the BTT and FTT tell you to expect vehicles to follow thru traffic lights one?

[Nmnhnlm]

I think both at fault.

For me I wouldn't follow so close.

If I were camry driver I wouldn't e-brake.

Exact liabilities would be calculated by insurance co

based on accident reports & measurements by police if any.

 

Thats why NEVER TAILGATE!! NEVER TAILGATE!! NEVER TAILGATE!!

 

Many drivers like to tailgate at high speed and BANG.......

 

 

[Gearoil]

From what I see, it is the camry driver at fault, how can he suddenly e-brake light that? I know that there are traffic light camera at the junction, but he chose to e-brake when he is so near the stop line already, he could have easily drive past the junction since it is amber and the junction is not very wide... As for the musso driver, I'm not sure if he couldn't brake on time or what, only see when the car is seriously near the camry, I could see the car nose dive due to e-brake also?

 

Sometimes, drivers' who e-brake like that and didn't spare a thought for those behind (whether they can stop in time or not) can really sabo those behind. Not to mention scare the crap out of those behind. Cars still ok, what if it is a motorcycle? The rider sure fly upon impact...

 

Not really say that the musso driver has no fault, as there really some evidence of late braking or not paying attention on what is ahead but he did keep a safe distance from the camry...

 

Heartbreakid you really break my heart with your perception in life, keep up with this and you will have very hard knocks in life that could put you out for good.

 

Any vehicle driving behind one, need to anticipate the behaviour of the one in front and even from the side lanes and to keep a distance, so that one could brake comfortably in time in event the other vehicle gets into various 'complications'.

 

Here Hearbrakekid, give you one case for you to think about.

 

In a chain collision, most vehicles are to be blamed for hitting the one in front but for some who really could brake in time, they hit the vehicle in front becos the one who was behind them hit them and transferred the energy onto them to hit the vehicle infront of them.

 

So how ar? More difficult is the one who really could brake in time, to prove he didn't hit the vehicle infront of him until the fellow from behind him hit him.

 

So isn't the culprit who didn't anticipate and keep a proper lookout and a safe distance to be blamed?

 

Or is it not?

 

Another case for smart aleck like you to ponder.

 

In a chain collison, some smart aleck (thinking he got Jesson Button driving reflex) swerve out to the next lane. The vehicle in the next lane got a shocker of his life and hit him from behind when Mr Button suddenly appear infront of him.

 

So how ar? if the Jesson Button insist that his avoidance action he took was right but he claimed the other driver on the next lane hit him behind on the other lane.

 

Sure, the driver on the other lane kept a very safe distance behind the driver on his lane that he was travelling in but this Jesson Button came into his view so suddenly and he still hit him behind when Mr Button suddenly changed lane. But Mr Button claimed that the other driver should not hit him and should be able to brake in time.

 

Should the other driver on the next lane be able to brake in time?

 

 

 

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We humans are what we are, lack of compassion and selfish above all. If we are not, there will not be many accidents if at all that will happen.

 

 

[Nzy]

The camry not wrong for e-braking. That is what is taught in driving school. The first time I took my test the lights turned amber but I was quite close to the stop line so I just continue on. When I crossed the stop line already then the lights turn red but I still got immediate failure for beating red light.

[Kar_lover]

 

Still to ask? Obviously the musso 100% at fault. Clear cut ram from behind.

[Nmnhnlm]

From what I see, it is the camry driver at fault, how can he suddenly e-brake light that? I know that there are traffic light camera at the junction, but he chose to e-brake when he is so near the stop line already, he could have easily drive past the junction since it is amber and the junction is not very wide... As for the musso driver, I'm not sure if he couldn't brake on time or what, only see when the car is seriously near the camry, I could see the car nose dive due to e-brake also?

 

Sometimes, drivers' who e-brake like that and didn't spare a thought for those behind (whether they can stop in time or not) can really sabo those behind. Not to mention scare the crap out of those behind. Cars still ok, what if it is a motorcycle? The rider sure fly upon impact...

 

Not really say that the musso driver has no fault, as there really some evidence of late braking or not paying attention on what is ahead but he did keep a safe distance from the camry...

 

Near the stop line means you should chiong through? Where did you learn this from? Which BTT or FTT book? Which instructor teach you to do so one?

[Thedream]

Near the stop line means you should chiong through? Where did you learn this from? Which BTT or FTT book? Which instructor teach you to do so one?

 

you mean you 1 metre from the line will jam brake and stop ah?

[Qpik]

True.

 

As a driver you must learn how to anticipate these things, and not expect everyone to do things "as per normal".

 

If you drive a big SUV you should know it takes a bit longer to slow down compared to a normal car, so the driver has to take extra precaution (which I think he didn't do).

 

correct me if i am wrong, from what i experienced, i am led to believe that pple who drive big vehicle are impervious to accidents.

 

why? cos they filter into a lane without signalling & also without realising that they are tailgating the car in front & also causing vehicles in that lane to jam-brake (in short nvr judge safety distance).

 

perhaps they are very confident that their vehicle comes equip with "100% STOP upon BRAKING" device?

[Heartbreakid]

For both Nmnhnlnm and Gearoil, (Nmnhnlnm - Read my sentence carefully before you shoot your mouth, from where did I say the camry driver should "chiong" the red light? I only said that since he is so near the stop line, he should drive as per what he did, since he didn't not anticipate the traffic light and he would have cleared that small junction. If you have see the video carefully, when the musso hit the camry when the lights just turned red, what I meant for the time he used to e-brake, if he had carry on driving, he would have cleared that small junction and the accident wouldn't have happen.)

 

My statement is clear, and I am one of the the road users as well... Maybe both have misunderstood my statement... My statement is solely for the kind of condition I see in that video. Different situations we have to react differently and safely. What I said was the camry should just drive on instead of e-brake. During practical driving lesson, I was thought to slow down at junctions and anticipate the lights and I was thought to judge by the arrows, from the third last arrows and the seconds last arrows, if it is amber, the driver should stop, but if it is the arrow behind the stop line, if there is enough stopping distance and judging from the speed of the traffic behind, one should stop. If no arrows how? Judge by the speed you are driving and the condition behind you. If otherwise, from that spilt second, during amber, the driver should decide whether he should move on during amber or to stop. This camry didn't anticipate, such as slowly down for traffic junction or what, and the moment the lights turned amber, he just e-brake.

 

Well, some would agree and some would disagree, I always believe in defensive driving on the roads and that includes anticipating and according to driving conditions. And I'm not one would encourage people to beat the red light (obviously not right) but just saying that based on the condition in that video, the camry would have avoided such unnecessary accident. Life is precious. Spare a thought and drive safe, especially motorcyclist... Please Chill bros!!

Edited May 14, 2010 by Heartbreakid

[Heartbreakid]

you mean you 1 metre from the line will jam brake and stop ah?

 

What I meant was what you have just said... if one is traveling at 60km/h, 1 metre is not long enough obviously. And judging from that video, the camry just about to do that and probably at a higher speed as well... Well, he did stop though but those at the rear didn't. Hard luck if it is one like the musso driver in the video, didn't stop in time...

[Speedy2780]

 

 

either u r the wussy driver or u r the wussy driver's friend! either way ITS the MUSSO fault! if u r the one infront and u have a rear video cam u sure post footage and complain: WTF there got red light camera, how to chiong? must brake mah then this looser MUSSO bang into me!

 

lamers! accidents happen everyday so get a life and STOP complaining!