Toyota problem covered up since 1996.,lands 1 man in prison

[Wishcumstrue]

my personal experience with a 2004/5 camry, ODO <10,000km

skidded at 30kmh or so. straight road, slightly wet from rain, gentle acceleration from 0.

ABS didn't kick in

 

huh? Were you accelerating or braking?

 

[Osiris]

stop at light, accelerate (less than 2k rpm) to 30kmh, car skidded.

[Wishcumstrue]

stop at light, accelerate (less than 2k rpm) to 30kmh, car skidded.

 

That explains:

 

ABS will not activate when accelerating under slippery condition. That job is for traction control...

 

[Darryn]

stop at light, accelerate (less than 2k rpm) to 30kmh, car skidded.

 

This is probably more due to tyres than anything else about the car.

 

Right now, I can get my car to skid a lot - makes me feel really powderful at the lights as can spin tyres until like crazy in the wet....(yeah, I NEED new tyres in a major way)

[Fedup-camry]

That explains:

 

ABS will not activate when accelerating under slippery condition. That job is for traction control...

 

 

my fedup camry's ABS always work when i brake on slippery road and slippery road humps :)

[Osiris]

but those were new tyres having done less than 10k

[Requiemdk]

There's many ways to slow a car....but each situation n circumstances is different, how u react under each circumstances is also different... Have u experience a brake mechanism failure??!

I think ur comment abt "I don't like the idea of drivers who can't react properly under emergency situations on the road." is an unfair statement... I think this genuine case of injustice cos by Toyota mechanism error, just becos ur driving a Toyota, dun give u the right to pass such thoughtless comment. This is a tragic accident, I don't see why anybody who want something like that to happen.... U know, I think Requiemdk statement is really shallow...

 

I've had 3 of my brake hoses rupture when driving at 90km/h before and still driven the car to the workshop. So to your question, YES. And it's not hard to react properly.

 

Do you really need me to elaborate on what else you can do to stop a car? For goodness' sake, if you value your life, steer the frickin' thing into the guardrail from the side. Can't steer? Open the door and jump the f**k out. You wanna be injured or you wanna die?

 

If it's something that I learnt from the army, too many people can't think on their feet to solve practical problems. And the more highly educated one is, the worse one seems to be at it. Toyota makes a mistake in their engineering, but if you lose your life when you're driving, it's your own damn fault because you were at the wheel. Nobody wants it to happen, but, how many times do I have to say this - WHEN YOUR HANDS ARE AT THE WHEEL, YOU HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE ACTION. Saying your prayers is NOT taking action.

[Asdfghjkl]

The family of the victims want to have a second bite on the cherry. res judicata.

[Wishcumstrue]

but those were new tyres having done less than 10k

Tyre condition is only part of the equation to get it to slip on takeoff.

1) how about surface traction?

2) surface gradient.

3) FWD.

4) over aggressive right foot when picking up from traffic light.

 

ps: I am surprised you expect ABS to work under this situation...

Your complain hardly relates to any Toyota recalls mentioned in this thread.]

Edited March 25, 2010 by Wishcumstrue

[Darryn]

but those were new tyres having done less than 10k

 

I know last time the "new" tyres when come from factory like crap.

 

Could be the tyres also had problem, or were "wrong" for conditions...

 

Dunno, skid at that sort of speed I think is more tyres (or road) than car.....

[Osiris]

2 other cars, ABS activated in slight wet, low speed, no sudden acceleration condition when brakes were depressed gently.

[Wishcumstrue]

2 other cars, ABS activated in slight wet, low speed, no sudden acceleration condition when brakes were depressed gently.

This is normal and expected.

 

[Vhtfhwlego]

It's a driver's responsibility to be in control of his car at all times, even if it malfunctions. You may not be able to control what happens outside the car, such as moronic jaywalking pedestrians, but if the only way you know how to slow down a car is through pressing a pedal, then you're going to be in deep trouble one day. If a tyre went flat on my car, can I disclaim responsibility if I then swerve into the car beside me? I hope not. At the very minimum, one needs to have thought through, at some point in time, what one would do if certain basic things were to fail, such as the accelerator or brake or clutch, etc. Not everyone needs to be an F1 driver or automotive engineer, but I find it irresponsible to operate machinery when one does not know how to react to possible emergency situations, especially when said machinery is very capable of causing deaths. The driving schools here need to do more than just teaching traffic rules. Sheesh, I wonder how many licenced drivers even know how to change a tyre or are aware of preventive maintenance issues. And what are you talking about... we SHOULD discriminate between people who can drive and people who can't! Why else is there a practical test before you get your licence?

 

Also, when one worries more about whether the gearbox will die when put into neutral at speed with engine off in an auto car with malfunctioning brakes (some comment that I came across on another forum), I think his sense of self-preservation is non-existent.

This I agree but sadly for locally, schools dont teach.

My wife and her younger brother just passed out from driving school and I am quite amazed with how low the passing standards. Both are not fit at the wheels!

 

First about brakings: I often tell my wife about "when you E-Brake, make sure you E-Brake all the way" I told her that dont care whatsoever sound/things flying in the car, the most important thing is to stop.

When I bought her brother for some prastice and told to to E-Brake at 60km/hr, I was shock when he didn't know the force is so great. Then wat I understand from them both were instructor test E-Brake at 30~40km/hr. How can you teach school teach someone like these to E-Brake at slow speed? If that you are travelling slow, you will be more aware of the situation hence E-Brake at slow speeds are rare. But when travelling at high speeds, E-Brake is more common as drivers have less time to react.

 

Second: Basic function of a car like aircon (air directions, coolest~warmer, fan speed) not taught. Clutch control, drve off with 1st gear without acceralation and car will not stall (many dont know this even driving for years - till now, I found 2males experience drivers driving manuel are not aware of this).

 

Third: Ways to holding the steering wheel without "locking up hands".

 

There are many other small issues but when the school not taught, only those people which like to have their hands bonded with machiney will learn themselves if not others to guide. For instance, what will happen if that you engage first gear on a down slope and the engine is off and parking brakes off too? Car will hold and not move... What happen if that you depress clutch??? Car will roll down like a stone... What happen if that you engage brakes with clutch depressed? Some cars' brakes pump will not work as engine is off and there are not much braking power to it. If that you find my quote are not true, please try it yourself in a safe place.

[Darryn]

This I agree but sadly for locally, schools dont teach.

My wife and her younger brother just passed out from driving school and I am quite amazed with how low the passing standards. Both are not fit at the wheels!

 

First about brakings: I often tell my wife about "when you E-Brake, make sure you E-Brake all the way" I told her that dont care whatsoever sound/things flying in the car, the most important thing is to stop.

When I bought her brother for some prastice and told to to E-Brake at 60km/hr, I was shock when he didn't know the force is so great. Then wat I understand from them both were instructor test E-Brake at 30~40km/hr. How can you teach school teach someone like these to E-Brake at slow speed? If that you are travelling slow, you will be more aware of the situation hence E-Brake at slow speeds are rare. But when travelling at high speeds, E-Brake is more common as drivers have less time to react.

 

Second: Basic function of a car like aircon (air directions, coolest~warmer, fan speed) not taught. Clutch control, drve off with 1st gear without acceralation and car will not stall (many dont know this even driving for years - till now, I found 2males experience drivers driving manuel are not aware of this).

 

Third: Ways to holding the steering wheel without "locking up hands".

 

There are many other small issues but when the school not taught, only those people which like to have their hands bonded with machiney will learn themselves if not others to guide. For instance, what will happen if that you engage first gear on a down slope and the engine is off and parking brakes off too? Car will hold and not move... What happen if that you depress clutch??? Car will roll down like a stone... What happen if that you engage brakes with clutch depressed? Some cars' brakes pump will not work as engine is off and there are not much braking power to it. If that you find my quote are not true, please try it yourself in a safe place.

 

 

There's a few things that I firmly believe, but you will never see practised..

 

1. Its good to spend 6 months driving a "beater" car. Slow, unreliable, etc etc - I think this teaches you alot of things about cars, how they work, planning ahead, what to do when things don't go right etc etc

2. I think everybody should spend some time being a "hoon" (in the properly controlled environment) - skid car, handbrake turn, lose traction etc etc - I think this teaches you about how a car feels in loss of control situation, so you don't panic so much next time. I think it also teaches you about how a car feels as it nears limit, and that thing like "spin out" or "jam brake" is not end of the world, but rather how you go about bring car to a stop is more important.

[Vhtfhwlego]

I was in army driver so I am lucky to have such experience .