Toyota problem covered up since 1996.,lands 1 man in prison

[Failali]

 

LINO LAKES, Minn.

[Weiming]

You do realize that if Toyota really goes bust, there might be major global repercussions? I believe they need to be punished but not to the extent of closure.

 

 

This warrants further investigation but it really does not look good for Toyota. This is what happens when a company decides to focus solely on achieving targets and becoming No. 1. Humanity and ethics are thrown out of the window for profits/market share.

[Zouking]

That is 1 big mistake that toyato have to take responsibilities.

Wonder how he is going to compensate to that poor man

[Sgcarlie]

There could be many such cases waiting to be unveiled. Toyota, time to amend for the negligence made.

[Failali]

 

 

well i will be glad to see that back of some company who forgoes quality for quantity in the bid for expansion..

 

but seriously, it does mean that there are more cars out there with potential faults up to model year 1996, not including the camry mentioned.

 

 

[Spying]

This just smells like another lawsuit to capitalize on the current toyota problems and claim money to me. \

Edited February 27, 2010 by Spying

[Failali]

you need a basis to file a lawsuit on and how strong it stands, unfortunately it is one of a valid claim

 

if you see this as a something to capitalize on.. you are b-------t

 

one man spent 4 years in prison for something he was unfairly blamed for

 

his wife and kids were killed by toyota and he got blamed by his in laws

 

had the defect not been uncovered, who knows how many more lives might have been lost.

 

[Kengohth]

expect more to come. so far, no bad news on the thai made models thus far. but my personal opinon, a touch expensive, even now.

[Leepee]

So next time I kena accident, I can also blame toyota anyhow.

Now that there is a precedence, all sorts of blame will seems logical to pin onto Toyota.

 

Its sad.

[1l0v3you]

wahhh..

such injustice was done to an innocent man.

poor thing.

[Darryn]

Wow, Toyota's brake problem has been covered up since 1996.That's a major shocker..

 

And it landed one man in prison for 8 of which he has served 4..

and half of his family gone

 

Thanks, Toyota..

 

Hope you go bust with that kind of company ethics you display by lying that the brakes are okay and just what, apologising? for taking away lives? thats bloody b-------t. .

 

First of all, it was an accelerator sticking problem, not a brake problem.

 

Secondly, there is no suggestion that the "problem" has been covered up since 1996

 

Thirdly, even if there was a problem, it does not mean that this guy is neccessarily innocent.

 

YES there are questions to be answered in the case - but overstating the case, and making out every single case of speeding accidents in the last 20 years to be the fault of Toyota discredits your argument

[Requiemdk]

s--t man. I drive Toyotas. Does that mean that I can drive at 200km/h on the expressways here and claim innocence in court?

 

I still maintain that if you're the type that gets killed by having a stuck accelerator pedal or seemingly non-functioning brake pedal, you shouldn't have been driving in the first place. There're many ways to slow a car down to non-lethal crash speeds, but these fellas chose to panic and say their prayers instead of actually doing something. Callous as it sounds, I don't like the idea of drivers who can't react properly under emergency situations on the road.

[Failali]

First of all, it was an accelerator sticking problem, not a brake problem.

 

Secondly, there is no suggestion that the "problem" has been covered up since 1996

 

Thirdly, even if there was a problem, it does not mean that this guy is neccessarily innocent.

 

YES there are questions to be answered in the case - but overstating the case, and making out every single case of speeding accidents in the last 20 years to be the fault of Toyota discredits your argument

 

to your first argument, okay i was wrong, mistook it for a brake problem.

 

but however, your statement that the guy is not completely absolved of total blame is ridiculous

 

imagine entering the PIE through the merging lane with probably lots of cars around like bumper to bumper traffic and while easing off the accelerator to filter into another lane, the acclerator gets stuck and you're going 90mph in a flash, while trying hard braking and handbraking in a crowded freeway. granted he may be in panic, but how about trained personnel? Like the state trooper who is trained with such situations and does all the necessary things to stop the vehicle, including turning off the engine and engaging neutral and the handbrake, all of which fail. So does the fault lie with the state trooper for failing to stop his car in time or on the fail-safe mechanism that failed ultimately?

 

i am not accusing that toyota's accidents are on the manufacturer's defects 90% of the time, but disgusted by thier way which they run operations, namely taking a whole 14 years(if the 96 camry was a production fault) before issuing a recall all the while taking thier own sweet time, even when it was obvious that the brake problem was not the only issue, eg power steering and so on.

 

Next.Destroying damning documents that could indict toyota in the crash scandal.Now we know that there are dirty secrets by toyota that are destroyed to absolve Toyota of any blame in the investigation.Do you think, as a consumer, you would purchase a product of this company, knowing that sometimes even the fail safe mechanism cannot work not to mention thier dishonesty in accepting blame?

 

Lastly, for taking more than 40 lives away from people in thier bid to overtake GM as the biggest car manufacturer, they forgoed quality for quantity of which we know quality is better, they just issue a apology through company president? no offer of compensation of any kind to bereaved victims and thier families and the familes have to take the last vital step, namely lawsuits..

 

Granted that the american congress were late to act, they could have had a lack of sufficient evidence to indict toyota

 

now, do you still want to buy a toyota?

[Failali]

s--t man. I drive Toyotas. Does that mean that I can drive at 200km/h on the expressways here and claim innocence in court?

 

I still maintain that if you're the type that gets killed by having a stuck accelerator pedal or seemingly non-functioning brake pedal, you shouldn't have been driving in the first place. There're many ways to slow a car down to non-lethal crash speeds, but these fellas chose to panic and say their prayers instead of actually doing something. Callous as it sounds, I don't like the idea of drivers who can't react properly under emergency situations on the road.

panic is a natural feeling, it is all implanted in us, under adrenaline it is only how fast we suppress that feeling and let the rational mind take control that is more important

 

not only which if the mechanisms fail and you need to find an alternative way out, in a limited time frame.

 

Thus the expression, not all of us are perfect, so you want those not perfect to take a bus? that's discriminatory against nature.

[Darryn]

to your first argument, okay i was wrong, mistook it for a brake problem.

 

but however, your statement that the guy is not completely absolved of total blame is ridiculous

 

imagine entering the PIE through the merging lane with probably lots of cars around like bumper to bumper traffic and while easing off the accelerator to filter into another lane, the acclerator gets stuck and you're going 90mph in a flash, while trying hard braking and handbraking in a crowded freeway. granted he may be in panic, but how about trained personnel? Like the state trooper who is trained with such situations and does all the necessary things to stop the vehicle, including turning off the engine and engaging neutral and the handbrake, all of which fail. So does the fault lie with the state trooper for failing to stop his car in time or on the fail-safe mechanism that failed ultimately?

 

i am not accusing that toyota's accidents are on the manufacturer's defects 90% of the time, but disgusted by thier way which they run operations, namely taking a whole 14 years(if the 96 camry was a production fault) before issuing a recall all the while taking thier own sweet time, even when it was obvious that the brake problem was not the only issue, eg power steering and so on.

 

Next.Destroying damning documents that could indict toyota in the crash scandal.Now we know that there are dirty secrets by toyota that are destroyed to absolve Toyota of any blame in the investigation.Do you think, as a consumer, you would purchase a product of this company, knowing that sometimes even the fail safe mechanism cannot work not to mention thier dishonesty in accepting blame?

 

Lastly, for taking more than 40 lives away from people in thier bid to overtake GM as the biggest car manufacturer, they forgoed quality for quantity of which we know quality is better, they just issue a apology through company president? no offer of compensation of any kind to bereaved victims and thier families and the familes have to take the last vital step, namely lawsuits..

 

Granted that the american congress were late to act, they could have had a lack of sufficient evidence to indict toyota

 

now, do you still want to buy a toyota?

 

Sorry I shoulda been clearer, what I meant to say is that even if it is proven that there is a problem with his model of car with the accelerator sticking, it doesn't automatically follow that he is innocent - although chances are that he is.

 

And forgive me, but I find the number of accidents against the number of Toyotas sold very very low.

 

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Toyota today.

 

[Failali]

Sorry I shoulda been clearer, what I meant to say is that even if it is proven that there is a problem with his model of car with the accelerator sticking, it doesn't automatically follow that he is innocent - although chances are that he is.

And forgive me, but I find the number of accidents against the number of Toyotas sold very very low.

 

I wouldn't hesitate to buy a Toyota today.

 

 

so you mean he intentionally ploughed into a back of a car?

 

he risked and ultimately indicted his own family's death, but you think he wants it? he could have also died.But for what? no gains?

 

 

The acclerator problem has already spread to most of toyota 's lineups if not all of it.., so it could be a "jumping on the bandwagon theory" but if the problem is largely unsuppresed, it could have been a buildup which caused the numerous cases to happen.

 

edit:only because Toyota focused on expanding its business rapidly to your claim of accidents

Edited February 27, 2010 by Failali

[Darryn]

so you mean he intentionally ploughed into a back of a car?

 

I will try in words of one syllable for you.

 

1. IF this model of Camry had problem, it does not automatically follow the accident was the fault of the problem. He may have been speeding, he may have panicked, he may have misjudged.

2. From the article he had only one year of driving experience - so this makes other possibilities more likely

3. Now were I the one to be making the judgement, I would say that his case bears investigation. I am not yet ready to say he is innocent.

[Requiemdk]

panic is a natural feeling, it is all implanted in us, under adrenaline it is only how fast we suppress that feeling and let the rational mind take control that is more important

 

not only which if the mechanisms fail and you need to find an alternative way out, in a limited time frame.

 

Thus the expression, not all of us are perfect, so you want those not perfect to take a bus? that's discriminatory against nature.

 

It's a driver's responsibility to be in control of his car at all times, even if it malfunctions. You may not be able to control what happens outside the car, such as moronic jaywalking pedestrians, but if the only way you know how to slow down a car is through pressing a pedal, then you're going to be in deep trouble one day. If a tyre went flat on my car, can I disclaim responsibility if I then swerve into the car beside me? I hope not. At the very minimum, one needs to have thought through, at some point in time, what one would do if certain basic things were to fail, such as the accelerator or brake or clutch, etc. Not everyone needs to be an F1 driver or automotive engineer, but I find it irresponsible to operate machinery when one does not know how to react to possible emergency situations, especially when said machinery is very capable of causing deaths. The driving schools here need to do more than just teaching traffic rules. Sheesh, I wonder how many licenced drivers even know how to change a tyre or are aware of preventive maintenance issues. And what are you talking about... we SHOULD discriminate between people who can drive and people who can't! Why else is there a practical test before you get your licence?

 

Also, when one worries more about whether the gearbox will die when put into neutral at speed with engine off in an auto car with malfunctioning brakes (some comment that I came across on another forum), I think his sense of self-preservation is non-existent.