Any Poly Lecturers can help a student???

[Sosaria]

Ong is simply rolling back the misguided policies enacted by his predecessors. Not new idea.

 

Common programmes? 20-30 years ago there were already "common" programmes. Engineering, for example, only 3 or 4 varieties, mechanical, electrical, civil or computer. Nowadays there are so many specialised types of engineering courses on offer that it boggles the mind.

 

So we are simply returning the system to the good old ways that work. Like it or not, the lesson is still not to fix anything that isn't broken!

 

I'll suggest something even more back to basics. Each poly should limit their courses to their unique specialty. SP traditionally leading in engineering and technical. Ngee Ann stick to business courses. Temasek is good at Design courses. Nanyang and Republic - not sure .....

 

Then the polys will not have to waste resources fighting each other for the shrinking pool of students and duplicating courses.

Edited March 5, 2018 by Sosaria

[Ash2017]

  On 3/5/2018 at 3:51 PM, Sosaria said:

Ong is simply rolling back the misguided policies enacted by his predecessors. Not new idea.

 

Common programmes? 20-30 years ago there were already "common" programmes. Engineering, for example, only 3 or 4 varieties, mechanical, electrical, civil or computer. Nowadays there are so many specialised types of engineering courses on offer that it boggles the mind.

 

So we are simply returning the system to the good old ways that work. Like it or not, the lesson is still not to fix anything that isn't broken!

 

I'll suggest something even more back to basics. Each poly should limit their courses to their unique specialty. SP traditionally leading in engineering and technical. Ngee Ann stick to business courses. Temasek is good at Design courses. Nanyang and Republic - not sure .....

 

Then the polys will not have to waste resources fighting each other for the shrinking pool of students and duplicating courses.

 

 

Recently, I learnt that poly diploma starting salary is about 2.1k and university graduate about 3.1k. The difference is a lot. 

 

If our current policy is asking our youth not to pursue higher learning but acquiring skills instead but based on today's starting salary, I cannot imagine what those who follow the policy will end up with.

[Hamburger]

The worst is the clown that introduced to learn first the 汉语拼音 and not learning the physical Chinese characters.

 

Rubbish to the max.

[Kopites]

  On 3/5/2018 at 11:39 PM, Ash2017 said:

Recently, I learnt that poly diploma starting salary is about 2.1k and university graduate about 3.1k. The difference is a lot.

 

If our current policy is asking our youth not to pursue higher learning but acquiring skills instead but based on today's starting salary, I cannot imagine what those who follow the policy will end up with.

However back in the 80/90s most poly grad would further their degree oversea. My platoon all poly grads (mono intake). After rod about 60% further their studies aboard.

 

So many broken (gf) relationship back then..hahaha

[DACH]

  On 3/5/2018 at 11:39 PM, Ash2017 said:

Recently, I learnt that poly diploma starting salary is about 2.1k and university graduate about 3.1k. The difference is a lot.

 

If our current policy is asking our youth not to pursue higher learning but acquiring skills instead but based on today's starting salary, I cannot imagine what those who follow the policy will end up with.

Ignore the policy and use the proven formula to pursue their studies.

[13177]

  On 3/5/2018 at 11:39 PM, Ash2017 said:

Recently, I learnt that poly diploma starting salary is about 2.1k and university graduate about 3.1k. The difference is a lot. 

 

If our current policy is asking our youth not to pursue higher learning but acquiring skills instead but based on today's starting salary, I cannot imagine what those who follow the policy will end up with.

Actually pursing higher learning is good if the paper is obtain from local uni or govt institution. If not no point spending money and effort in pursing higher learning from institution which is not recognise by employers, esp those external degree/course.

[Ash2017]

  On 3/6/2018 at 2:51 AM, 13177 said:

Actually pursing higher learning is good if the paper is obtain from local uni or govt institution. If not no point spending money and effort in pursing higher learning from institution which is not recognise by employers, esp those external degree/course.

if so why is government allowing so many type of private schools in.

[13177]

  On 3/6/2018 at 4:52 AM, Ash2017 said:

if so why is government allowing so many type of private schools in.

Dont know, maybe they can collect some form of tax from these private schools? Or they wanted to tell you they are supportive in continuous of higher learning? But whether employers recognise it or not, not their concern at all.

[DACH]

  On 3/6/2018 at 4:59 AM, 13177 said:

Dont know, maybe they can collect some form of tax from these private schools? Or they wanted to tell you they are supportive in continuous of higher learning? But whether employers recognise it or not, not their concern at all.

Those employers you mentioned applies mainly in public sector.

[Sosaria]

  On 3/5/2018 at 11:39 PM, Ash2017 said:

Recently, I learnt that poly diploma starting salary is about 2.1k and university graduate about 3.1k. The difference is a lot. 

 

If our current policy is asking our youth not to pursue higher learning but acquiring skills instead but based on today's starting salary, I cannot imagine what those who follow the policy will end up with.

 

No one is asking them to stop learning after poly.

 

The philosophy nowadays is that learning never stops, and there is a need to pause and take stock and determine what you really want to pursue as a career, before plunging into further and more specialised studies. This is especially true of today's younger generation who have grown up in prosperity and do not know much about what they want to do after getting out of school. Life is too comfortable!

 

So it's a good idea for them to come out and work for a while, accumulating some cash, while deciding what is it that really interest them. And after working for a while, they can decide to pursue a degree course - this time being more sure of what they want to pursue, and also having the means (cash) to finance the studies. Doesn't mean they have to work/study part-time. They can also quit the job, go and study full-time.

 

Personally I'd prefer hiring a fresh graduate who has some work experience or track record vs. a completely FRESH grad with zero work experience.

[13177]

  On 3/6/2018 at 5:58 AM, DACH said:

Those employers you mentioned applies mainly in public sector.

Public sector confirmed dont recognise, but some private companies also dont recognise de. One of my previous company dont really recognise paper not from govt institution. Esp those external diploma/degree. The salary they paid is slightly lower de. Thats why i feel, if employers dont recognise, no need waste time to study. Lol. 

[Staff69]

they recognised your private degrees

 

 

so long they pay you lower than market

[13177]

  On 3/6/2018 at 9:39 AM, Staff69 said:

they recognised your private degrees

 

 

so long they pay you lower than market

This is quite true. All those external diploma/degree confirmed paid lower than market. Maybe even worst than those foreigners? Lol.

Edited March 6, 2018 by 13177

[Ash2017]

  On 3/6/2018 at 9:33 AM, 13177 said:

Public sector confirmed dont recognise, but some private companies also dont recognise de. One of my previous company dont really recognise paper not from govt institution. Esp those external diploma/degree. The salary they paid is slightly lower de. Thats why i feel, if employers dont recognise, no need waste time to study. Lol.

if it is true then why so many companies recognize foreign universities

[DACH]

  On 3/6/2018 at 9:33 AM, 13177 said:

Public sector confirmed dont recognise, but some private companies also dont recognise de. One of my previous company dont really recognise paper not from govt institution. Esp those external diploma/degree. The salary they paid is slightly lower de. Thats why i feel, if employers dont recognise, no need waste time to study. Lol.

You can also choose not to join them too.

[kdash]

  On 3/6/2018 at 9:33 AM, 13177 said:

Public sector confirmed dont recognise, but some private companies also dont recognise de. One of my previous company dont really recognise paper not from govt institution. Esp those external diploma/degree. The salary they paid is slightly lower de. Thats why i feel, if employers dont recognise, no need waste time to study. Lol.

in my line there is a list of "recognised" institutions for application of RE/RTO... those who do not have dip/deg from these institutions would have a very slim chance of getting RE/RTO, and hence lower pay...