Is Toyota's reputation finished?

[Ender]

huh, didnt you guys say Toyota was most reliable in the world?

 

 

how come? what happened?

 

 

sigh....

 

i don't think they are responding to these thread or other like threads

[Joseph22]

They will tell you that at least Toyota will call for recall when they found the fault.

 

[Sw20]

Thank God toyota put their heart and soul in developing and producing reliable sports cars!

After so many years... their sports cars are still running strong and competing with modern day cars sports cars.

Look at their Supra and MR2 and Celica GT4 and their famous AE86.... still strong and wanted today.

 

Their family cars... can have all the problems for all I care. Family cars... not much development into it... just slow and a box with 4 wheels and 4 doors.. no need anything technological...

 

Reason why people buy a toyota or other japanese make......

 

facts for people buying normal cars.

They buy a toyota thinking is as good as the development of their supra and mr2.

People buy honda's cos they think their's can be super civics anytime.

People buy Mitsubishi lancer... thinking that... suspension and chassis same as EVO.

People buy Impreza TS or WRX thinking that handling is like STI...

People buy Peuogeot 206 thinking is a slower version 206GTI....

 

KUDOS TO THOSE BUYING SUNNY... THINKING IS VERY CLOSE TO SKYLINE ahahahahaha

 

Hope you get the idea..... when you want cheap... expect something cheap.

 

 

[Joseph22]

Thank God toyota put their heart and soul in developing and producing reliable sports cars!

After so many years... their sports cars are still running strong and competing with modern day cars sports cars.

Look at their Supra and MR2 and Celica GT4 and their famous AE86.... still strong and wanted today.

 

Their family cars... can have all the problems for all I care. Family cars... not much development into it... just slow and a box with 4 wheels and 4 doors.. no need anything technological...

 

Reason why people buy a toyota or other japanese make......

 

facts for people buying normal cars.

They buy a toyota thinking is as good as the development of their supra and mr2.

People buy honda's cos they think their's can be super civics anytime.

People buy Mitsubishi lancer... thinking that... suspension and chassis same as EVO. Err... ppl buy lancer for the mod potential or the cheap price right.

People buy Impreza TS or WRX thinking that handling is like STI...

People buy Peuogeot 206 thinking is a slower version 206GTI.... Isn't that what Peugeot 206 is?

 

KUDOS TO THOSE BUYING SUNNY... THINKING IS VERY CLOSE TO SKYLINE ahahahahaha

 

Hope you get the idea..... when you want cheap... expect something cheap.

Edited February 8, 2010 by Joseph22

[Chiangauto]

The Toyota carmaker said it's expanding a record 4.26 million-vehicle recall announced in November to include 1.09 million additional U.S. autos, to fix accelerator pedals at risk of being trapped by floor mats. Losing its reputation for quality would undercut Toyota's decades-long campaign to promote reliability and safety that helped it become No. 2 in U.S. sales.

People aren't going to buy Toyotas, period. It doesn't matter which model. What's happened is sufficient to keep people out of the stores

[Kb27]

Ok, I'm STUCK anyway.

 

Seriously now, if I want to buy new car, will the scandal affect the trade in value of my current Toyota?

 

For sure, dealers will try to use this opportunity to push down your trade-in price as much as possible.

[Joseph22]

For sure, dealers will try to use this opportunity to push down your trade-in price as much as possible.

 

the consolation is it wont be lower than your paper value.

[Sw20]

is not... is far away...

 

I remember some car dealer said... ts can mod to wrx and wrx can mod to sti.... bull la... just by changing the engine... doesn't cut it out... look at the the suspension arms and the chassis carefully... is all different.

[Requiemdk]

Thank God toyota put their heart and soul in developing and producing reliable sports cars!

After so many years... their sports cars are still running strong and competing with modern day cars sports cars.

Look at their Supra and MR2 and Celica GT4 and their famous AE86.... still strong and wanted today.

 

Their family cars... can have all the problems for all I care. Family cars... not much development into it... just slow and a box with 4 wheels and 4 doors.. no need anything technological...

 

Reason why people buy a toyota or other japanese make......

 

facts for people buying normal cars.

They buy a toyota thinking is as good as the development of their supra and mr2.

People buy honda's cos they think their's can be super civics anytime.

People buy Mitsubishi lancer... thinking that... suspension and chassis same as EVO.

People buy Impreza TS or WRX thinking that handling is like STI...

People buy Peuogeot 206 thinking is a slower version 206GTI....

 

KUDOS TO THOSE BUYING SUNNY... THINKING IS VERY CLOSE TO SKYLINE ahahahahaha

 

Hope you get the idea..... when you want cheap... expect something cheap.

 

I read an article in a UK car mag sometime ago when Toyota officially ended production of the MR-S. The article jokingly accused the general motoring population of killing off one of the best-driving budget roadsters in the world. Now that I think about it, it's not that far from the truth is it? The Supra and MR2 were inspirational cars back then, but these things were never meant to be mainstream. They built their profit and image of reliability on the nigh unbreakable Corolla. When the (largely unimaginative and overly practical) public wanted cheaper and more economical cars, they had to oblige or lose out on market share to their competitors. Then Japan developed rapidly over the years and they were sandwiched between rising overheads and having to keep their prices low enough for people to continue buying their cars, so they started cutting costs and eventually dropping the less profitable models from their line-up. There was no more value in having a halo model in their stables. The average Corolla buyer wasn't going to care about whether the agility of the MR2 or the brute power of the Supra were going to trickle down into their budget car. Over time, Toyota even started compromising on their Corollas. The failure of the G8 Corolla as a product is perfect evidence of that - you'll see tonnes of G7 AE101 Corollas and some G9s running around nowadays, but almost no G8s (except for the police cars.. harhar) So Toyota bit off more than it could chew this time. But I think they'll do fine in coming back. The stakes are now even higher on the success of the upcoming FT86. The Lexus LF-A is frickin' yummy, but far too irrelevant given how far it is from being identified with a Toyota.

 

I suspect the Korean makes will eventually face the same issue of being sandwiched between rising overheads and consumer demands as they grow. Then it'll be China's turn to shine and the cycle continues. By then the average standard of Japanese car makers should have caught up to the continentals and sadly, the price will probably catch up too...

 

Btw I still can't believe the car mat issue. It shouldn't happen, yes, but when the accelerator pedal gets stuck the mat like that, a quick prod with the foot will get it unstuck. Reminds me so much of that old woman who sued McDonalds for getting scalded by their hot coffee.

[Joseph22]

is not... is far away...

 

I remember some car dealer said... ts can mod to wrx and wrx can mod to sti.... bull la... just by changing the engine... doesn't cut it out... look at the the suspension arms and the chassis carefully... is all different.

 

Not Bull, just that they did not mention to you the cost nia. I believe they using same Chassis right? but if you mod to that standard, all your brake pad, brake shoe, clutch, exhuast, pipeline .etc. also have to change.

 

for 206... correct wah... same looks but slower mah people wont know after you plug out the 207 stencil.

Driving control ah.. what ever is not important.

 

But hor if ppl seriously buy car base on what you mention, They are likely to be very sad case. I buy lancer because i like the whole car from handling to car size and the most attractive is because its price is good. Not because it is a mini evo.

Edited February 8, 2010 by Joseph22

[Sw20]

I read an article in a UK car mag sometime ago when Toyota officially ended production of the MR-S. The article jokingly accused the general motoring population of killing off one of the best-driving budget roadsters in the world. Now that I think about it, it's not that far from the truth is it? The Supra and MR2 were inspirational cars back then, but these things were never meant to be mainstream. They built their profit and image of reliability on the nigh unbreakable Corolla. When the (largely unimaginative and overly practical) public wanted cheaper and more economical cars, they had to oblige or lose out on market share to their competitors. Then Japan developed rapidly over the years and they were sandwiched between rising overheads and having to keep their prices low enough for people to continue buying their cars, so they started cutting costs and eventually dropping the less profitable models from their line-up. There was no more value in having a halo model in their stables. The average Corolla buyer wasn't going to care about whether the agility of the MR2 or the brute power of the Supra were going to trickle down into their budget car. Over time, Toyota even started compromising on their Corollas. The failure of the G8 Corolla as a product is perfect evidence of that - you'll see tonnes of G7 AE101 Corollas and some G9s running around nowadays, but almost no G8s (except for the police cars.. harhar) So Toyota bit off more than it could chew this time. But I think they'll do fine in coming back. The stakes are now even higher on the success of the upcoming FT86. The Lexus LF-A is frickin' yummy, but far too irrelevant given how far it is from being identified with a Toyota.

 

I suspect the Korean makes will eventually face the same issue of being sandwiched between rising overheads and consumer demands as they grow. Then it'll be China's turn to shine and the cycle continues. By then the average standard of Japanese car makers should have caught up to the continentals and sadly, the price will probably catch up too...

 

Btw I still can't believe the car mat issue. It shouldn't happen, yes, but when the accelerator pedal gets stuck the mat like that, a quick prod with the foot will get it unstuck. Reminds me so much of that old woman who sued McDonalds for getting scalded by their hot coffee.

 

 

nice write up... corollas were use in super taikyu before... totally forgotten about that car. honestly... i do not know what is the difference between levin corolla and trueno corolla... I wish i was born earlier then i would be able to test and feel the difference. please don't tell me pop lights and so on... i know how they look.. i just wanna know the difference in the drive...

[Ahtong]

Isn't that what's happening to toyota too. They have been sitting on the problem for almost 3yrs, was was pressured/force to recall after the USA transport secretary sent people to japan to wake them up..

 

I have been pondering over this. To be fair to Toyota, any carmaker in the same situation might need a bit of time to connect the dots. When an UNSTOPPABLE accident happens, how many people (including traffic police) would have guessed it was due to malfunction, especially if the driver died? Even if the driver survived to claim it was accelerator problem, how many (including traffic police) would have believed that story? Typically, drink driving, recklessness, kayuness are more plausible explanations.

 

I have watched some victims (and their lawyers) being interviewed by CNN. Not to sound callous but I smell shakedown in the air.

[Sw20]

Not Bull, just that they did not mention to you the cost nia. I believe they using same Chassis right? but if you mod to that standard, all your brake pad, brake shoe, clutch, exhuast, pipeline .etc. also have to change.

 

for 206... correct wah... same looks but slower mah people wont know after you plug out the 207 stencil.

Driving control ah.. what ever is not important.

 

But hor if ppl seriously buy car base on what you mention, They are likely to be very sad case. I buy lancer because i like the whole car from handling to car size and the most attractive is because its price is good. Not because it is a mini evo.

 

heee... dude.. i stripped the car (subaru and mitsubishi) before... the look of shell is quite similiar, but some places where there is most stress has added bracing and most of these braces are welded on by factory... geometry of suspension and of course suspension settings are different.

 

You think they wanna go thru so much RnD for a stupid lancer or TS that is not used for racing? Most of the time... whatever they do... just try to use as little material as possible to cut cost.

 

Anyway i have seen the process making an EVO using a lancer shell and half cuts evos. Once is up... they have to brace it up... cos the shell is not strong enough to withstand the power of the engine... usually chassis warping is the case.

 

[Vextan]

i find this toyota recall thing way over blown. funny how people can say like this is castrophic for toyota. there are recalls before and there will be recalls in the future, for toyota, for honda, for nissan, for any other car makers. i laugh whenever i read about how some people sound like the world's biggest car maker is failing or has lost its reputation over this.

[Kangadrool]

Not finished yet. They still have Daihatsu, Scion and Lexus brands as backup; contingency plan.

[Ahtong]

Toyota is a big target because of their sales. Once any bad news comes out, so does the daggers. Funny the self immolating Honda isn't getting the same amount of bad publicity.

 

[Kb27]

Obviously Toyota and Honda are 2 different companies with different strategy in business.

One is having trouble doesn't mean the other one is.

[Tigerwoods]

Not finished yet. They still have Daihatsu, Scion and Lexus brands as backup; contingency plan.

Toyota also owns a piece of Suzuki FYI...