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[Maroon5]

ERP rates to increase at three gantries

 

 

Fri, Jan 22, 2010

AsiaOne

 

 

 

SINGAPORE - Electronic road pricing (ERP) rates are set to increase again - with rates going up by about 33 to 50 per cent for three gantries.

 

The two ERP gantries at ECP (Fort Road) and KPE slip road onto ECP will have their rates increased from $2 to $3, between 7.30am to 8am.

 

The rate at the ERP gantry for Thomson Road will go up as well. It will cost the motorist $2 instead of $1.50 - from 8am to 8.30am.

 

These revised rates will take effect from Feb 1. Rates for other gantries remain unchanged.

 

The revisions come on the back of the Land Transport Authority (LTA)'s quarterly review of traffic conditions on ERP-priced roads and expressways.

 

 

READ MORE

 

- ERP rates to increase by 50-100%

 

The next review will take place in May.

 

a1motor@sph.com.sg

 

http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring/Drive...122-193744.html

 

Think many bros who work in CBD will be affected...

[Svtfocus]

Sigh...

[Alechi]

it's waiting to come ...

[Noobcar]

  On 1/22/2010 at 7:45 AM, Alechi said:

it's waiting to come ...

 

most likely is more to come......we are living in Sg all prices will go up only....

[Jolie888]

I think the LTA is correctly addressing the crux of the matter (i.e., traffic jams) in Singapore.

 

Based on my own observations, the highest load of car flow are as follows:

 

(1) Morning peak hours: From the North/North-East to the West

(2) Evening peak hours: From the West to the North/North-East

 

Of course there are those from East-to-West and West-to-East during the morning and evening peaks respectively.

 

So for (1), you get jams from:

(a) Seletar/AMK/Serangoon via CTE toward Jurong

(b) Sembawang/Upper Thomson/Thomson toward Whitley/PIE/Jurong,

or toward Lornie/Adam/Farrer/Jurong

© Woodlands or SLE /Mandai/BKE toward PIE/Jurong

or toward Anak Bukit/Clementi/Jurong

(d) Punggol/TPE/PIE/KPE toward ECP/AYE/Jurong

 

For (2), the jams gets reversed the other way around.

 

So I think what the LTA is doing is correct.

Need to raise the ERPs that link from the North/North-East to West (in the morning) and vice versa (in the evening).

 

Solution: As you can see, the LTA must raise the ERP charges at CTE, BKE, PIE, Thomson/Lornie to plug the bleed from the North/North-East.

 

The KPE case is unique, as it gives the people from the North-East an alternate route to jump over to the East-West ECP-AYE route, but thereby jamming up the circuits there, toward Jurong.

 

Solution: Increase the KPE ERP to plug the bleed from the North/North-East.

 

 

 

[Hotcakes]

i think its unfair to penalize ppl staying the the north for heading home early.

[Jolie888]

To add: These are LTA's solutions to control the jam from the North/North-East.

 

But what are the people's solutions?

 

Avoid staying in the North and North East.

 

Move out from Seletar, AMK, CompassVale, Anchorvale, Senkang, Woodlands, Serangoon ... if you could.

Move to the Central and West areas and avoid being part of the makers and contributors of jams in Singapore.

 

Better still, switch to a weekend car (park them at home and use them only for weekend family time) and take public transport to work.

You will have the citizens' full support in doing your part to relieve jams in Singapore.

 

[Bystander50]

Increasing ERP does not solve traffic congestion at all.

 

If it does, during the 2nd increment for a particular gantry, it would have solved the problem.

Why is it after x increments, the congestion still persists?

 

About time these good for nothing scholars at LTA think out of the box to solve this congestion problem without making motorist pay.

If these useless bums earning tens of thousands dollars in salary can't solve the problem, they should be contributing their salary back to the motorist for time and fuel wasted for their incompetance.

[Bystander50]

  On 1/22/2010 at 9:42 AM, Jolie888 said:

To add: These are LTA's solutions to control the jam from the North/North-East.

 

But what are the people's solutions?

 

Avoid staying in the North and North East.

 

Move out from Seletar, AMK, CompassVale, Anchorvale, Senkang, Woodlands, Serangoon ... if you could.

Move to the Central and West areas and avoid being part of the makers and contributors of jams in Singapore.

 

Better still, switch to a weekend car (park them at home and use them only for weekend family time) and take public transport to work.

You will have the citizens' full support in doing your part to relieve jams in Singapore.

 

LTA and MND are singing opposite tunes.

One penalise the people for staying in the north/north-east with high ERP, the other wants people to move to the north-east.

Probably MBT didn't handover his work properly when leaving LTA.

 

[Benarsenal]

  On 1/22/2010 at 9:42 AM, Jolie888 said:

To add: These are LTA's solutions to control the jam from the North/North-East.

 

But what are the people's solutions?

 

Avoid staying in the North and North East.

 

Move out from Seletar, AMK, CompassVale, Anchorvale, Senkang, Woodlands, Serangoon ... if you could.

Move to the Central and West areas and avoid being part of the makers and contributors of jams in Singapore.

 

Better still, switch to a weekend car (park them at home and use them only for weekend family time) and take public transport to work.

You will have the citizens' full support in doing your part to relieve jams in Singapore.

 

That's not really fair. Public transport from North to anywhere is already a bitch (45mins by train to City Hall. 1.5 hrs by bus with only one service. This is from Woodlands). The reasons many people living in the North own cars is precisely because public transport up here is terrible.

 

Sometimes we don't live here by choice, and we are unfairly penalised.

 

Nobody said anything about East side. They also kena ERP left right centre (PIE, CTE, ECP. Evening eastbound ECP also got ERP). I guess their benefit is that public transport from East side to town not so bad as North side.

[Jolie888]

  On 1/22/2010 at 10:56 AM, Bystander50 said:

Increasing ERP does not solve traffic congestion at all.

 

If it does, during the 2nd increment for a particular gantry, it would have solved the problem.

Why is it after x increments, the congestion still persists?

 

Its all about the hurt threshold level.

 

I am sure that if ERP charges are raised to (say) $10, or even $20 per entry, we should see a reduction in gantry volume and easing of the traffic congestion.

 

Drivers will divert to minor roads and longer routes.

 

If these alternate routes jam up later, LTA should then put new gantries there and up the charges some more.

 

There will come a time when people realize that its really non-viable to drive anymore, and will either stop driving (sell their car) and take public transport or car pool, or convert their cars to OPC and drive only during the offpeak hours.

 

LTA must strive to reach that hurt threshold level.

 

Then of course, the final control knob is to reduce COE quota even further. Target 1%/yr or even zero growth ... which would then bring COE prices back up to the historical $100,000 level. That should put a stop to marginal purchases of cars.

 

All the above should be the direction that this country would need to move toward, if we were to maintain our sanity. Otherwise there will be rampant buying and driving of cars, for every little reason. We should all learn to be more environmental-friendly.

 

[Ryosuke]

  On 1/22/2010 at 10:56 AM, Bystander50 said:

Increasing ERP does not solve traffic congestion at all.

 

If it does, during the 2nd increment for a particular gantry, it would have solved the problem.

Why is it after x increments, the congestion still persists?

 

About time these good for nothing scholars at LTA think out of the box to solve this congestion problem without making motorist pay.

If these useless bums earning tens of thousands dollars in salary can't solve the problem, they should be contributing their salary back to the motorist for time and fuel wasted for their incompetance.

 

 

thats why most parents want their children to become scholars 'pa zhen hu kang', work in stat board even better.

earn big $ and dont need to think at all. just increase increase and increase.

+GST +UTILITIES BILLS +ERP +BUS LANES + CPF WITHDRAWAL AGE +MANY MORE.

 

become president even better.

no need do anything just once yearly come out and wave and walk around the parade sq.

sometimes even got free holiday trips to other places to shake hands and get paid at no less than SGD3 millions/year.

[Swingarm]

you will know wat will i vote for coming election....

 

LTA shud have seen this trend coming.... not curing it when it get out of control.....

 

They can easily let people pass driving liscense but the driver is not ready to drive on d road...

 

many people pass = many cars + poor road management (traffic lites every 100m) = traffic jams = increasing and squeezing from citizens but not themselves = citizens suffer = minister become richer and richer but do noting....

[Kopitam]

  On 1/22/2010 at 12:42 PM, Swingarm said:

you will know wat will i vote for coming election....

 

LTA shud have seen this trend coming.... not curing it when it get out of control.....

 

They can easily let people pass driving liscense but the driver is not ready to drive on d road...

 

many people pass = many cars + poor road management (traffic lites every 100m) = traffic jams = increasing and squeezing from citizens but not themselves = citizens suffer = minister become richer and richer but do noting....

 

in a huge way you are RIGHT

it is all in the doing of the policy makers

they are the ones who issue the LICENCE - DRIVING LICENCE, COE

they are the ones who build and manage the roads

they are they one who determine the number of available COE in the market

 

hence why are we paying (penalized) for their inability to manage the road

 

if I were you i would march up to the transport minister and DEMAND a partial refund of his salary for a job partially done

[Kopites]

  On 1/22/2010 at 12:50 PM, Kopitam said:

in a huge way you are RIGHT

it is all in the doing of the policy makers

they are the ones who issue the LICENCE - DRIVING LICENCE, COE

they are the ones who build and manage the roads

they are they one who determine the number of available COE in the market

 

hence why are we paying (penalized) for their inability to manage the road

 

if I were you i would march up to the transport minister and DEMAND a partial refund of his salary for a job partially done

 

gungho..bro.. can i march behind you.

[Topgun]

Easily solved. Tell your boss, have mobile office or work from home. No need to be on the roads during peak hours. Have flexible work hours. Only go in office for meetings. Better still, do video conferencing enriching singtel and starhub then they can pay for EPL and World Cup and Olympics

 

Have your cake and eat it too.

 

Also about time we spend more time in our homes and can conceive more babies cos can do it whenever wife is ovulating. (You will never produce more babies cos doing it once during weekend). Else only go home and sleep nights when we paid world record price for public housing, is a great waste of money :angry:

 

Good, no?

Edited January 22, 2010 by Topgun

[Pyramid_sg]

Raising the ERPs will not solve the problems of jams. They can raise it but the jams still remain. People will grumble but they will still pay. The only way to reduce the jams (I'm sorry to say it) is to reduce the number of cars on the road.

 

Maybe that will happen given the rising COEs. DJs from Class 95 said that reducing car numbers would work if their are rules in place for people to pay a downpayment of 50% for the car and take a max loan of up to 5 years. That's a thought.

Edited January 22, 2010 by Pyramid_sg

[Maroon5]

yup..while i agree some are necessary (eg CBD) but c'mon going home also need to pay? its peak period yes but was the traffic below the "optimal 45kmh"? same for the 730-8am ECP that they are going to raise to $3, nobody can verify, we can only accept....