Monza -

[Jonbummer]

this weekend, the race is on again. in Italy.

 

FRI Practice 1 16:00

FRI Practice 2 20:00

 

SAT Practice 17:00

SAT Qualifying 20:00

 

SUN Race 20:00

 

with only 5 races to goin the race calendar, Monza has to be the one track

that Button starts to get onto the podium or even win again.

 

a lot of people is questioning if it is the pressure at the top that is

getting to him.

personally, i dun think so, or at least i hope it's not.

because if i am him (but of cos i'm not! ) i will enjoy every second

of it driving in a competitive car fighting for the top honours

 

pressure is what guys without a certain drive for 2010 are feeling

or those got who "kicked out".

 

Monza is a 5.793 kilometre track tat is the fastest of the year with four long

straights enabling the cars to reach top speeds of around 340km/h and

average lap speeds of 250km/h. and drivers had to be on their toes for a blindingly

fast 53 laps.

 

cars here run with special low-downforce aerodynamic packages to minimise drag.

And this year there is an added complication for those teams without it: KERS.

it's been said that KERS cars will gain about 15m , about 0.25s off non KERS cars

that is a massive advantage, if they got the rest of the package spot on.

 

this race will see Liuzzi do his 1st race in the Force India, also we will spot Fisi

in the Ferrari. it will be extremely interesting if we will see a FI chasing a Ferrari

like we witnessed 2 weeks ago.

 

Practise 1 & 2 had concluded

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/818/6671/

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/818/6672/

 

nothing can be read into these practise times normally

the real thing starts tomorrow during Qualifying...

Edited September 11, 2009 by Jonbummer

[Rjmsfire]

As expected, Force India has done very well in qualifying. Sutil 2nd and Liuzzi 7th. Fingers crossed for the race tomorrow. Incidentally, Fisichella in the Ferrari is mired in the midfield in 14th. I wonder if he is having some regrets at joining the Scuderia? Because even though Liuzzi hasn't properly tested the 2009 Force India car, plus hasn't raced for 2 years, he has done very well to qualify 7th. Perhaps the Ferrari is a difficult car to get the maximum out of it, hence even a current on-form driver like Fisichella has not been able to qualify it well. If that's the case, I wonder how Michael Schumacher would fare if he has returned. That would be very interesting!

 

Button qualified 6th, one spot behind Barrichello. A 2009 7th win for Button looks unlikely again this time round. Fortunately for him, his most dangerous rivals, the Red Bulls, are a little way down at 9th and 10th. So on Sunday, he should increase his gap to the chasing Webber and Vettel.

 

The past 6 races has seen a remarkable 6 different winners. Will the trend continue tomorrow? How about a shock Sutil Italian GP victory, just like Vettel did in 2008?

Edited September 12, 2009 by Rjmsfire

[Vroomtattat]

Lewis Hamilton in pole position

[Silver_blade]

Well done

[Flywithme]

Do you guys know why you can say V6 or V8 but not V4 about cars with 6, or 8 or 4 cylinders?

[Jonbummer]

it will be another exploding start for the race tmw

kimi shld be able to use his KERS to pull along side

lewis for the first chicane. that will leave hekki chasing

or have to fight sutil for the position early.

 

it will be a mess there tomorrow

 

if lewis is carrying a reasonable amt of fuel and have a

clean 1st few laps, he shld be the man for the win.

 

the Brawns, i believed, are running heavy knowing that

the start is only as important as having a good car all

round. they will look to gain position in the pit stops

they cannot lose much time to the leading pack

however, they cannot be seen fighting each other which

will inevitably result in the cars behind challenging them

for points finish.

 

worryingly, not too far behind them is the RedBull

which surprisingly seems to be lacking in pace in this

high speed track.

 

BMW, just sad to see both cars out in Q2 because of

engine problems. also disappointing is the 2 williams

which languished at 17 and 18.

 

one impt thing to note in this session is the 2 debutants.

Fisi in the Ferrari can only managed 14 and Liuzzi doing

well to start from 7th.

 

this small bit of result just goes to show how impt is the car

as it's to the driver.

i'm sure if Fisi is in a FI, he cld well be on the pole again.

not 100% sure but close enough.

having said that, Fisi shld be able to get the hang of the car

soon enough and close up the gap to kimi.

at least, he did not start 20th and last, right?

 

well done Force India again for giving us something to

watch out for. Sutil will be gunning for a podium like wat Fisi

had achieved 2 weeks ago. that will be something indeed for

the 'small' team

 

 

Qualifying result:

 

1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.066

2. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:24.261

 

3. Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:24.523

4. Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.845

 

5. Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 1:25.015

6. Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 1:25.030

 

7. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:25.043

8. Fernando Alonso Renault 1:25.072

 

9. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:25.180

10. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:25.314

 

11. Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:23.611

12. Romain Grosjean Renault 1:23.728

 

13. Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:23.866

14. Giancarlo Fisichella Ferrari 1:23.901

 

15. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:24.275

16. Timo Glock Toyota 1:24.036

 

17. Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:24.074

18. Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:24.121

 

19. Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.220

20. Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.951

Edited September 12, 2009 by Jonbummer

[Rjmsfire]

Do you guys know why you can say V6 or V8 but not V4 about cars with 6, or 8 or 4 cylinders?

V refers to the cylinder arrangement, ie viewed along the crackshaft, the V8 engine (current F1 cars use V8s) has cylinders arranged in two rows of 4 cylinders, with the two rows forming a V shape.

 

The V cylinder arrangement has been used for engines with 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinders (V6, V8, V10, V12). There isn't any production V4 engine to my knowledge. Most if not all 4 cylinder engines are arranged inline (4 in a straight row) or horizontally opposed (twin rows of 2 cylinders, each row horizontal and opposite the other row).

[Ithunk]

As expected, Force India has done very well in qualifying. Sutil 2nd and Liuzzi 7th. Fingers crossed for the race tomorrow. Incidentally, Fisichella in the Ferrari is mired in the midfield in 14th. I wonder if he is having some regrets at joining the Scuderia? Because even though Liuzzi hasn't properly tested the 2009 Force India car, plus hasn't raced for 2 years, he has done very well to qualify 7th. Perhaps the Ferrari is a difficult car to get the maximum out of it, hence even a current on-form driver like Fisichella has not been able to qualify it well. If that's the case, I wonder how Michael Schumacher would fare if he has returned. That would be very interesting!

 

Button qualified 6th, one spot behind Barrichello. A 2009 7th win for Button looks unlikely again this time round. Fortunately for him, his most dangerous rivals, the Red Bulls, are a little way down at 9th and 10th. So on Sunday, he should increase his gap to the chasing Webber and Vettel.

 

The past 6 races has seen a remarkable 6 different winners. Will the trend continue tomorrow? How about a shock Sutil Italian GP victory, just like Vettel did in 2008?

 

yup Liuzzi did well to qualify 7th, and the pace of the cars is real...

 

but maybe the ferrari car is different....but fisichella is stlll better than badoer

[Ithunk]

and monza is really a drivers track....much like singapore....

 

adding to that monza is a fast track......so times average about 1min 23 22 seconds like tt

 

and not forgetting the .000s of a second

[Rjmsfire]

Italian Grand Prix qualifying car weights

 

1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 653.5

2. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 655.0

3. Raikkonen Ferrari 662.0

4. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 683.0

5. Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 688.5

6. Button Brawn-Mercedes 687.0

7. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 679.5

8. Alonso Renault 677.5

9. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 682.0

10. Webber Red Bull-Renault 683.0

 

 

I spot a clever strategy from Brawn GP. Their cars are the heaviest among the top 10. If my guess is correct, they figured that even if they qualified 1-2 with a lighter fuel load, Button and Barrichello would be overtaken by the KERS equipped McLarens and Ferrari on the long run down to the first corner, ending up around 5th or 6th and having to pit at the same time as the cars in front. So why not start 5th or 6th at the grid, but carrying a heavy fuel load that will ensure they pit latest and can do some ultra quick laps in clear air when the McLarens and Ferrari pit? No wonder Button thinks he has a chance at victory on Sunday. I hope he ends his win drought too.

 

[Weiming]

Will be a great race tonight I reckon. Hope Button can get his 7th win of the season and looking forward to the performance of Kimi, Luizzi and Fisi :)

[Jonbummer]

it seems the first 3 on the grid will have their work cut out for them

they can't being sitting ard too much, they have to hit close to quali pace

asap for their 2 stop to work, else it's game over.

 

hekki shld fancy his chance of a good podium if not, his career second win

since starting in front of the other 1 stoppers, and equipped with KERS

 

but somehow or rather, i have a strange feeling it will be a sea of red

tifosi celebrating again with the Iceman on the top of the podium

 

just a feeling...

 

order in who's fastest after fuel corrected, (1st pit stop at)

 

1 Kovalainen (lap 28)

2 Rubens Barrichello +0.016secs (lap 30)

3 Lewis Hamilton +0.047secs (lap 16)

4 Jenson Button +0.073 (lap 29)

 

5 Adrian Sutil +0.200 (lap 17)

6 Kimi Raikkonen +0.266 (lap 19)

7 Vitantonio Liuzzi +0.296 (lap 27)

8 Sebastian Vettel +0.363 (lap 27)

 

9 Fernando Alonso +0.381 (lap 26)

10 Mark Webber +0.469 (lap 28)

 

 

from itv-f1:

 

The fuel weights reveal an unusually clear picture about the strategies teams have adopted for Sunday

Edited September 13, 2009 by Jonbummer

[Jonbummer]

wet race?

possible.....

 

 

" after Saturday afternoon

[Ithunk]

great drive by rubens.....who will win in SGP? actually i quite like brawn gp

[Ithunk]

lol and kimi stalled the engine....but he managed to escape.....however not sure wat happened at the last lap

[Vroomtattat]

Well done

 

last lap somemore

[Silver_blade]

What a shame....he was pushing a little too much. Wasted.

[Cavver]

V refers to the cylinder arrangement, ie viewed along the crackshaft, the V8 engine (current F1 cars use V8s) has cylinders arranged in two rows of 4 cylinders, with the two rows forming a V shape.

 

The V cylinder arrangement has been used for engines with 6, 8, 10 and 12 cylinders (V6, V8, V10, V12). There isn't any production V4 engine to my knowledge. Most if not all 4 cylinder engines are arranged inline (4 in a straight row) or horizontally opposed (twin rows of 2 cylinders, each row horizontal and opposite the other row).

 

Yes there are V4 and V2 engines in productions, but mostly,if not, in fact all of them found only in those class 2 bikes.