Ano727 2nd Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 Would like to share an interesting discussion started in another forum (hope this is ok), very timely and important as well as sensitive topic. Any comments? http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2474638 The only Singaporean in team asked to GO! Doing a favor for a friend as he does not have an account here, who would like to seek suggestions from all helpful bros and sis here, and perhaps from the government. Basically, he is Singaporean, connected with an MNC for more than 10yrs now, has excellent record of performance and attitude, and is now told by his new boss to look for another job. If we think of the ongoing economic and business situation, I thought there is no issue on this, until my friend shared more details. It turns out that my friend is the only local Singaporean in their department, and the rest are expats (you probably can guess the discrepancy of the salary and benefits of a local vs an expat). The boss is also an expat, and has maintained that headcount reduction is driven by slowing business and to save costs, and has nothing to do with performance or behaviour. I also understand that expats are ONLY justified when there are no local talents available, but this is clear contradiction to take out local talent while retaining the more expensive foreign talent. It's easy to side with my friend as he is my good friend, but what about you dear bros and sis. I believe that SG government will not tolerate such approach without due reason, especially that many people look up to SG government for it's ability to maintain harmony among various race and religion. Would appreciate your helpful comments. The questions that need your opinions/suggestions are: 1. Is the MNC allowed to implement such kind of approach without violating SG labor laws? 2. What/where is the best venue for my friend to raise this issue in a formal manner? 3. Other comments and suggestions that may help. Pls reply with your thoughts on this, or PM is also ok. ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaway 1st Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 when ppl dun talk abt sensitive issues... it doesnt mean its harmony.... some ppl jus want to see nothing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sony 1st Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 how is his performances compared to the others? at times, people just want to blow up the issue.. anyway, looking at the ratio of people, i don't think that singaporean is happy at the job.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarzan666 2nd Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 WHen a factory in woodlands retrenched their workers, Singaporeans were 1st to go also... FTs job was safe... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeniz Turbocharged August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 Which industry is he in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atonchia Supersonic August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 (edited) If he earn less than $2k per month then maybe MOM can help with the labour laws, or else it's litigation if he felt he was laid off unjustly and he need to fork out from his own pocket to fight for his rights. MNC fear bad media. But your friend better have a real case and have sufficient evidence to support himself. Edited August 23, 2009 by Atonchia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeshe Turbocharged August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 aiya, sg labor law doesnt protect the employee, unless u are in a union, then MAYBE got chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacf Neutral Newbie August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 email Minister of Manpower.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booboon 1st Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 LL suck thumb. thats the real world outside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigershark1976 Turbocharged August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 (edited) when a MNC wants an employee to go, there is nothing that our garment can do, whether its Singaporean, or FT The company could give thousand and 1 reason to get rid of the person. and the employee can only suck thumb and LL... Take performance for instance. Unless you are in sales line, where the KPI is very measurable. Otherwise, how to justified a person performance is better than another?? its all depends on how your immediate boss judge you. The employee can say anything he wanted, but the boss will have another set of story, so its 1 person words againts another person... and if he/she think that your performance is not acceptable and give you the agreed termination notice or pay in lieu stated in the employment contract. There is nothing MOM of SG garment can do about it. Oh yah, btw, forget about the employement act. Its design many many years ago... if something happen and you really want to follow that, you may be ended up worst. Sometimes, I felt that the EA more pro-employer... . Check it out the at MOM website, the min A/L & etc... and you will notice that many company is giving out better terms and condition compare to Employment act... Edited August 23, 2009 by Tigershark1976 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vroomtattat 2nd Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 That'what we need， FTs to kick our butts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babyt 4th Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 if im working in a group full of FT except me sg, i wouldnt mind leaving the group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booboon 1st Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 cannot say like that, there r mouth to feed at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redplanet Clutched August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 That'what we need， FTs to kick our butts What a sh*t hole we're in nowadays... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo72 6th Gear August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 i believe time for the government to clearly define what's FT and what's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive_carcar Clutched August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 The questions that need your opinions/suggestions are: 1. Is the MNC allowed to implement such kind of approach without violating SG labor laws? 2. What/where is the best venue for my friend to raise this issue in a formal manner? 3. Other comments and suggestions that may help. Pls reply with your thoughts on this, or PM is also ok.[/i] 1. Yes MNCs are allowed to do anything they darned well pleased. SG labor laws doesn't apply in most of such cases and you'll get no help from MOM. 2. If your friend feels wrongfully dismissed, he / she can take out a wrongful dismissal suit against the company, which will 99% turn out to be in the company's favour. Further, having such a case pending also will affect your friend's chance of finding another job in the near future. 3. The best option is to walk away, move on. One thing we must always bear in mind, just because we are S'poreans nobody owes us a living. If your skillsets are relevant, and your track records are good, then have confidence in yourselves and find another job. Don't be too hung up about what has been, but look forward to what's possible. I'm every inch a true born in S'pore Sporean. It pains me to see that such situations arises, but the balance of powers are tipped towards the employers in S'pore all the time. That is why for myself, taking personal ownership of your career planning, acquiring the right skillset remains a top priority. Even though tomorrow I'll be starting a new chapter in my life in a new job, I'm already planning my next move in the industry. So when the right opportunities come along, I'll probably jump ship for better prospects and opportunities. Loyalty is overrated and very outdated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albeniz Turbocharged August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 So when the right opportunities come along, I'll probably jump ship for better prospects and opportunities. Loyalty is overrated and very outdated. Nowadays, a lot of jobs are contract-based, this is a convenient way to retrench a worker without the need to pay for compensation when his service is up. Many employers do not deserve loyalty anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive_carcar Clutched August 23, 2009 Share August 23, 2009 So when the right opportunities come along, I'll probably jump ship for better prospects and opportunities. Loyalty is overrated and very outdated. Nowadays, a lot of jobs are contract-based, this is a convenient way to retrench a worker without the need to pay for compensation when his service is up. Many employers do not deserve loyalty anyway. Even if the jobs are so called perm positions, there is in reality no such thing as a perm job. Welcome to the new economy! ↡ Advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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