'Good' people who agree lorry should only carry goods :)

[Plusnplus]

Hi all,

 

Make Singapore better place for EVERYTHING.

 

Note for all bosses construction company:

-please reduce your karaoke season, golf clubing to make your worker safety.

 

no matter how, we all same human, regardless race, nationality, etc, right?

 

 

[Watwheels]

You can think about the consequences when the workers have to take other transport.

 

All will lead to more $$ to transport cost which in the end it will add to construction cost and when you wanna buy flat it will cost even more. Same for other industry. The consumer will be the one who bare the cost, not the employers.

 

Think about it.

[Mustank]

While we are at it, the issue may extend to the ferrying of soldiers in tonners since they are a large form of lorries

[Tireburner]

This is one of the most absurb law in SG. Rear seat passeners in a car who don't belt up risk getting fines.

While workers on the back of a lorry who risk getting airborne are allowed to do that.

Totally immoral with no respect for human lives. How is that stupid canopy going to save the workers lives in an accident?

[Mustank]

the inconsistency do not end in unbelted passengers in cars.

 

it extends to:

soldiers in tonners,

unbelted commuters in bus, mrt

 

[Windchoco]

I think more imptly, lorries ferrying workers should have a reduced speed limit (not 70km/h) and ban them from lane 1 and 2..... Esp when the drivers themselves are also bangalas... how much do they know of our traffic condition and how proficient are their driving ? For all we know, maybe they bought a license in India or something, come to Singapore just convert by taking basic theory only... *sweat

[KVR666]

I'm on the fence with regards to this subject. Here's why :

 

If companies hire buses or purchase mini-buses for the sole purpose of ferrying workers from point to point, there's the extra overhead costs. These costs are ultimately passed on to the end user/consumer. Is everyone willing to pay for this extra? Or are we going to just get more people complaining about rising costs & inflation, crying foul & lambasting authorities about price-fixing, collusion etc?

 

There's also the matter of job security for the lorry drivers whose main job is to ferry the workers. Be them local drivers or otherwise, these people will be in jeopardy of losing their jobs entirely or take a significant pay cut. Companies will find ways & means to trim costs, so these guys are the first in the line of fire should they find themselves with less tasks to perform. Will it be fair to them?

 

The government may be roped in to help subsidise the cost of hiring buses, so maintaining the companies' overheads in status quo, thereby keeping end prices lower for consumers. However, where is this money going to come from? Are YOU willing to pay? Is anyone willing to pay? Again, refer to statement 1 above.

 

On the other hand, with the rise in accidents & fatalities in recent times due to speeding lorries with workers aboard, something needs to be done before the death toll mounts even further. In an ideal world, that would mean educating companies & drivers on the Do's and Don'ts. In an ideal world, we would use solely local drivers with squeaky clean driving records. In an ideal world, worker transport lorries would be enhanced with additional active & passive safety features like ABS, proper removable seatbelts & anchorage points, and equipped with electronic tamper-proof speed limiting devices. In an ideal world, these lorries would also be equipped with GPS tracking systems & reporting systems like those on Hazchem vehicles, which would alert companies & authorities when the vehicle is speeding and/or takes erratic routes.

 

Unfortunately, all these safety equipment costs serious money to implement & maintain. Costs which NOBODY wants to pay for. So, all we can do on our part is to cooperate and try to make the roads safer. Companies can only try to ensure that drivers have adequate time to travel from point A to B, while factoring traffic conditions, so that drivers have less reasons to speed. Other drivers can only try to be more gracious & give way to those who insist on rushing to hell and keep a good distance away, instead of the current "You're in a rush, so am I. So why should I give way?" mentality. Less tailgaters & more people who give way accordingly, would naturally result in lesser accidents. Let the TP deal with these jokers in due course. No reason to put yourself in harm's way by refusing to yield & keeping close to them.

[Drive_carcar]

  On 8/20/2009 at 1:42 AM, Tireburner said:

This is one of the most absurb law in SG. Rear seat passeners in a car who don't belt up risk getting fines.

While workers on the back of a lorry who risk getting airborne are allowed to do that.

Totally immoral with no respect for human lives. How is that stupid canopy going to save the workers lives in an accident?

Laws are never consistent in any country. It doesn't take a genius to point out and criticise such a fact.

[Drive_carcar]

I think the best approach is to reduce accidents at the first place. There is no such thing as a safety measure that is foolproof.

 

They should have electro / mechnical limit the speed of such pickups to 70km/h, and totally ban them for lane 1 and 2. So there should be no overtaking under normal circumstances. This would free up the rest of the lanes for normal cars.

[Garlic]

Most if not all of the "superman" cases are caused by speeding and recklessness.

 

You either see them road hogging or blasting down lanes 1 and 2 with black plumes of smoke coming out their tailpipes.

 

 

[Plusnplus]

i don't know if most of you rich or quite rich.

why all stand behind the cost and higher price for customer?

 

ever think to reduce the profit ?

 

(off topic) when ppl complain about ft and citizen, frankly speaking, how many % company in s'pore big/ small own by citizen or ft?

now already 2009, sure the person who complain is young now, when they old and replace their father business, will they do same thing again(favor to ft then citizen, to reduce cost by get cheap labour same quality?)

 

few good person sure hard to find, but try look other from their view.

 

diff salary 1500 and 2000/ mth (per family with 2 children) is how much saving the money for the emergency financial or basic daily expenses

diff salary 5500 and 6000/ mth (per family with 2 children) is how much installment/ mth for BMW5 series or new E class

 

 

 

 

[Toyo]

Company must make profit. some wants to maximize their profit by reducing cost and increase margin. for these companies they simply have no corporate social responsibility.

[A_korusawa]

I think its spoken in the parliament. Its not about cost!

Most of all, having a bus to ferry workers is not very productive (construction/project sites conditions), efficient (+cost efficient), & also non-accessible to many work sites.

This will also handicap the construction industry where movements of labor have to be very volatile - to date, this is the only inductry that had just climbed up from the current crisis.

Imagine if time is needed to wait for the the bus arrival/departure to ferry workers, another 1-2 hours per day will be lost where some sites are running 24hrs.....

 

Its a compromise to keep the labor industry going with answer to the recent rise in transportation accidents.

 

No choice - but at least there's a grace of 3 years to meet the deadlines.

Edited August 20, 2009 by A_korusawa

[Zyrofillica]

aiya, cheapest and easiest way is to make all the lorry passengers wear motorcycle helmets and accept the same risks as all the motorcyclists on the roads.

[Toyo]

  On 8/20/2009 at 5:43 AM, Zyrofillica said:

aiya, cheapest and easiest way is to make all the lorry passengers wear motorcycle helmets and accept the same risks as all the motorcyclists on the roads.

 

Wearing helmet seems like the most cost effective measures

[Locknload]

Agreed. Furthermore, lorry serves dual purpose of carrying workers and goods whilst busses wud be difficult to manoeuvre and knowing bus operators, they'd ferry other commuters to work, school etc -smell and washng problems too. I think this is a good compromise, both safety & cost issues are addressed.

[Tireburner]

Yeah, try saying laws are never consistent when you are the one sitting behind a lorry and get thrown out like a superman.

[Customgolf]

Still think it's the nut behind the steering wheel, if it's loose, you're done for. Accidents are not caused by the law but one of the nuts behind the steering wheel.