What is the most despised NS vocation?

[Adrianli]

u mean Silkair right... SQ crashed in taiwan... not indo

 

Yup, Silkair. But its SQ who paid us the allowance when the guys were there. Not too bad amt also.

[Hub_n_mona]

yeppers..silkair

MI-185

[Kusje]

My batch of BMT was what they called "Hokkien peng". most of us had little education, lectures were conducted using English, Chinese and Hokkien. All of us could have served 2 years but there were a handful of us selected to SISPEC

 

No one tried to OOC?

[Toyo]

yeah, some of my guys cried when just a few months before their ROD, the PC informed them that its now based on education level and as they were all poly batch, all have to serve 2.5 years, and some were promoted to CPL.

 

those days ROD dates (and NRIC) were scribbled on No 4s .... mine too ...

 

 

must be feeling terrible then

[Toyo]

No one tried to OOC?

 

Some tried but no ones OOC, but got a couple of my mates including my buddy got charged and thrown into DB.

anyway I'm shortlisted to SISPEC but not selected cos i signed on

[Ngck]

There are some incidents that I'm proud of when in the navy.

 

 

Who was there 1st when SQ plane went down in Palembang? Who did the recovery??? We were activated within an hour of the crash. My vessel was the standby vessel.

 

 

Who was there ready to evacuate Singaporeans from Indonesia during the riots??? FYI, we went from lightly loaded to full load within less than 12hrs and ready to evacuate every single Singaporean in Indonesian by FORCE. Indo indicated that they dont welcome us therefore a few of our strike craft went on full load ready to protect the land craft. Able to reach evacuate area within 5hrs of command from the top. This incident was not even publish in the papers. So I not sure if u guys should know also.

 

 

While u sleep soundly in bed, civilians will never know wat it takes to defend the nation and its citizens be it in SG or Overseas. In the navy, u are constantly on standby. Only when the ship in dock then its time to relax.

 

 

which one? the riot in batam?

Edited July 16, 2009 by Ngck

[Adrianli]

which one? the riot in batam?

 

This one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakarta_riots_of_May_1998

 

I dont tink I would wana say more on this. Later compromise our security and defence.

[Axela72]

The instructors and my coursemates knew very well what I think about the army in general. The government sends you a letter saying you are required to turn on on some stupid day or they will jail you, throw you into some stupid vocation to serve their purposes and you're proud of it? It is not my fault that you have been brainwashed by the system from the first day to think that you should excel in something that you have been conscripted against your will into.

 

I fought the system every step of the way and left every single instructor and superior in no doubt of my views about the SAF. I suspect some of the lower ranked instructors in BMT and SISPEC kept my transgressions from their superiors because they knew I would challenge the system(not really the system since the system is almost challenge-proofed by all the scholars but how everyone follows the 8th core value instead) all the way. The idea is to arm yourself with the very knowledge that most people do not bother with - Mindef directives, TSR, camp regulation and stuff like that. You fight many small battles and win hoping it is enough to sustain you through all 2 years; if I were to conform like many others, I would have lost my identity and self.

 

The fact that I was still selected to be a PTI says a lot about the the selection process and criteria doesn't it?

 

Some ppls may classified you as having altitude problem from different perspective. If all Singaporean share your same thinking thought, who are going to defence Singapore? The only regret I have is, we as a Singaporean man is handicapped wrt our competitor (ppls who do not need to serve NS, like PR or gal) whereby they gain additional 2.5 years of working experience more than us. With this additional 2.5 yrs of experience, it may make them commanding higher post and salary than us in the market.

Edited July 16, 2009 by Axela72

[Vextan]

i do agree that national service is necessary to build a formidable military to thwart off potential aggression towards our small country, especially from much bigger neighbouring countries. however, i feel that 2 years of ns is a bit too long, as we only need like 6 to 9 months of training, after that, we are treated as cheap labour . Also, i strongly feel that the allowance for ns should be much higher. at least say $1.2k across the board, and not differ among ranks for full time national service. after all, every nf fulltime is doing a service, why differentiate the pay since it is a noble cause ?

 

to further the discussion, do you all think that female should also do national service in singapore ? female can become military cook, doctor, even pilot. what are the reasons for and against ?

Edited July 16, 2009 by Vextan

[Toyo]

i do agree that national service is necessary to build a formidable military to thwart off potential aggression towards our small country, especially from much bigger neighbouring countries. however, i feel that 2 years of ns is a bit too long, as we only need like 6 to 9 months of training, after that, we are treated as cheap labour . Also, i strongly feel that the allowance for ns should be much higher. at least say $1.2k across the board, and not differ among ranks for full time national service. after all, every nf fulltime is doing a service, why differentiate the pay since it is a noble cause ?

 

to further the discussion, do you all think that female should also do national service in singapore ? female can become military cook, doctor, even pilot. what are the reasons for and against ?

 

Some vocations are paid higher because of higher responsibility and competence/skill level. Combat pays better than technical and service vocation.

 

[Vextan]

Some vocations are paid higher because of higher responsibility and competence/skill level. Combat pays better than technical and service vocation.

 

if vocations are paid according to the higher responsibility and competency/skill level, then even the more the gahment should pay by market rate, i.e. that of a salaried worker. but national service is treated as a service to the nation, thats why there is no salary to speak off but allowance. if so then the living allowance shouldnt it be the same across the board ? hope you get what i mean.

[Adrianli]

U expect a diver/commando/SOF NSF to be on the same allowance as a office clerk???

 

There will be a major uproar!!!

[Josho]

This is a slamming each other thread wor. damn interesting to read... esp the over protecting PTI issue.

 

I give no extra marks on PTI but bonus marks on everyone in the Army who give in their best during their service of 2-2.5yr. Like it or not, gone through that and F Off.

 

Each vocation have their plus point leh. Less one vocation = not an army.

 

Be proud/ or dun for your vocation. Just dun over hao lian.

[Dj_spike]

Just make sure everyone agree to disagree... dun later become full flame war, call gadgeter here there....

[Josho]

Lock and ban?

[Amortifiedpenguin]

if vocations are paid according to the higher responsibility and competency/skill level, then even the more the gahment should pay by market rate, i.e. that of a salaried worker. but national service is treated as a service to the nation, thats why there is no salary to speak off but allowance. if so then the living allowance shouldnt it be the same across the board ? hope you get what i mean.

 

2 words- risk pay.

you pay to risk your life. my only complain is that within the service side, why are clerks paid the same as drivers? clerks dont need to go outfield.

 

btw, 1.2k is very high, later they implement that, our GST go up again. or worse, ERP.

[Axela72]

i do agree that national service is necessary to build a formidable military to thwart off potential aggression towards our small country, especially from much bigger neighbouring countries. however, i feel that 2 years of ns is a bit too long, as we only need like 6 to 9 months of training, after that, we are treated as cheap labour . Also, i strongly feel that the allowance for ns should be much higher. at least say $1.2k across the board, and not differ among ranks for full time national service. after all, every nf fulltime is doing a service, why differentiate the pay since it is a noble cause ?

 

to further the discussion, do you all think that female should also do national service in singapore ? female can become military cook, doctor, even pilot. what are the reasons for and against ?

 

2 years still consider long. Last time we 2.5yrs leh. Give u 1 inch u want 1 feet ah? Some course to become an officer we already took up almost 1 year to completed. The actual servicing/operational ready is left only 1 year or more. If just 1 yr, ma-chim holiday training camp and later ORD.

 

1.2k salary unlikely. This will make the salary of some NSF with no paper higher than what they get outside.

 

Lastly, you are right. Why female can't be doing the supporting vocation role like cook, clerk or storewoman since they want to be in par and equal with man right?

Edited July 16, 2009 by Axela72

[Blueray]

 

er, $1.2k a bit high right ? scarly garmen raise GST again to cover for that ...

 

when I enlisted, REC pay was $135/-, when I ROD as a CPL, my pay was $350/-, that was really a bit on the low side. think now NSF 3SG is around $500 ?